Top 10 combat rifles!!!!!!!!

I was watching a show called Top Tens. It was the episode about the top ten Combat Riffles and safice to say, I DISAGREE!!!!!!!!! They put the AK 47 in the top spot and frankly the reliablilaty doesnt make up for the fact that if you shoot more then two rounds on fully auto the recoil makes you shoot at the sun!!!! Many other guns use larger rounds, have higher rate of fire, are just as reliable and have better accuaracy!!!! If you agree with me post what you think should be the number one Combat Riffle.
Sincerly,
CPL Sabastian Sears (Candian Armed Fources)

number one?

AK 47!

But since yer a werewolf, a 5.56 nato round made of silver on a slingshot would do the trick...

reply to post by therealwolf90


Hate to say it, but the AK has earned it's spot at the top. How many other rifles that were developed at the end of WWII are even still relevant in today's combat situations? I would say that there have been a few that have since been developed, but not one that I could safely say out performs the AK. The simplicity of the AK is what makes it so rugged and versatile, you cannot abuse very many rifles the way you can abuse an AK and still have it function flawlessly.
I actually prefer the M4 and AR15 variants, but I also like my AK. I would throw the HK91 in there as well, just because they are also pretty rugged rifles.

my pick for the #1 spot the old reliable M1 Garand, or the BAR, the new m14 is not bad, 308, it could be better if it was a 30-06.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
number one?

AK 47!

But since yer a werewolf, a 5.56 nato round made of silver on a slingshot would do the trick...

I lol´d xD

2nd

I disagree with the AK's status. While it certainly is the most widely used rifle and has a legendary reputation for its ruggedness, its not really a precision weapon by any stretch of the imagination and is very heavy. I think the trophy goes to the FN FAL.

personal favorite is the FN P90, and FN 2000

The FAMAS.

Definately the FAMAS.

Gotta go with the Garand. A war winner. One of the first, if not the first, self loading rifles to see wide spread combat use.

Second would be the ubiquitous M16, and its clones. Second (a tie) would be the Kalashnikov AK47, and its clones. When a weapon, or its derivatives, has been around for as long as these two, there must be something right going on with them.

Fourth? Though not, strictly speaking, a combat rifle, it did go a long way towards winning the Indian Wars in the American West. The Sharpes Buffalo rifle. Used to wipe out the buffalo herds in the Plains, it reduced the nomadic plains indians to, eventually, destitution via starvation and dependency upon the govt of the white man.

reply to post by therealwolf90


Maybe you misunderstood the criteria used by the program? The AK was probably put in there due to it's influence around the globe?

Otherwise, I fully agree with you. The AK is probably the worst piece of crap ever built. If, for some reason, they put it at the top due to it's quality/effectiveness/power, never watch that program again. Anybody that ranks the AK at the top, due to it's quality, is a complete moron. I could probably guild something better in my shack

Best I've fired: G3A3
My favorite: Tavor TAR-21/Steyr AUG

At the end of the day, it depends on what work you will need it for, and your level, as a user.

P.S. » I guess if you're an 8 year-old, fighting in some Third-World sh*t-hole, and still have trouble tying your shoes, then the AK47 is the weapon for you.

reply to post by SirMike


The design features that allow for the AK's justifiably famous "ruggedness" are the same features that minimise it's accuracy. The weight of the rifle has almost nothing to do with the accuracy of the rifle. An AK-47 (or any rifle for that matter) will be more accurate when firing single aimed shots, than when firing in automatic mode, however the AK-47 has proved demonstrably inferior to other in service mil-spec rifles over many years.

AK's were designed for poorly trained conscript armies where weight of fire was more important than descriminate accurate fire. Accuracy was sacrificed for simplicity and in the context of conscript based Soviet Era armies, is a fine rifle. It is not a rifle one (ie: me) would choose for accurate shooting however. Even the Soviets didn't use it for this purpose...

- Totally agree, the FN FAL is way up on the list (or the C1A1, as we call it).

Originally posted by seagull
Gotta go with the Garand. A war winner. One of the first, if not the first, self loading rifles to see wide spread combat use.

edit on 22-8-2011 by rebeldog because: spelling

war winner? are you serious? the garand was OK. but maybe you need to reconsider "war winner"

The cutting off of german supply lines, our aircraft, and of course the bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the as you would say "war winner"

and yes the AK is number ONE

Fn FAl
Sr-10 (stoner was awesome)
SKS
HK G3

round out the top 5..

the only thing "special" about the Garand was the caliber. --proof ------->, how many still use the m1? today???
Do you see any AK-47's used these days?? cricket symphony?

edit on 22-8-2011 by rebeldog because: mistype

Another vote here for the good 'ole M1 Garand (United States Rifle, Caliber.30, M1)

The ak-47's greatest weak point is probably the range limit of the 7.62X39mm cartridge. Amazing cartridge for a carbine, but not for an main battle rifle, IMO. The parts also have loose tolerances. While this makes the ak extremely reliable, it is a tradeoff for accuracy. I respect the ak-47 for what it is, but I'd probably trust my life to an SKS rifle before and AK. I certainly would not put it at #1.

As for the M1, If were talking 400+ yard harassment and scout/DM situations the M1 fits that role perfectly. No other U.S. issued MBR has seen every weather condition on such a large scale as the M1. The only MBR that has fewer parts than the M1's 62 total is the M14's 61 total. The FAL has 143, the AR has 119, the HK91 has 92. Also if you have to have a .308, you can rebarrel an M1 and still be well under the cost of a DSA FAL or M1-A. Furthermore, the M1 clip can be reused indefinitely whereas detachable mags wear out and need springs replaced and mag lips re-contoured.

I'd also consider a K31 Schmidt-Rubin for a top spot. The 7.5 Swiss, rimless bottle neck's power is equal to the 7.62X51mm NATO. The straight pull action gives this rifle a high rate of fire, kind of a "twilight zone" between bolt action rifles and semi-automatics. Can be fed both with stripper clips from the top of the action, or by switching magazines. Inexpensive, powerful, very accurate with a higher rate of fire than a turn-bolt.

When considering an MBR, I prefer accuracy and range, and I tend to stay away from the pray and spray weapons.

It's hard to argue with the AK-47 if your criteria include

reliability
longevity
numbers produced
people killed

And they should. Think of it this way, M1s are mostly considered collectibles today even though it is still a fine rifle. On the other hand, soldiers in various parts of the world, RIGHT NOW as I write this or you read it, are carrying AK-47s into battle.

Yeah, it's not the most accurate but apparently it's accurate enough.

reply to post by rebeldog


When one says "war winner", one can reasonably expect that there is a certain amount of hyperbole being exercised. Can't one? In this case, however, the hyperbole is negligable.

There was not a superior rifle, until the Sturmgewehr (sp?) appeared late in the war, to be had on either side. Yes, airplanes and bombs played a major role...but what were those Marines and GIs carrying? I dare say, many were carrying a Garand. Ask an American veteran of WWII who fought in the latter stages of the Solomon campaign in the South Pacific what their preferred weapon was. Again, I daresay, most would say the Garand. It fought in every theater. It was dependable. When it was cold, it fired. When it was hot, it fired. ...and so on.

It soldiered on in Korea. The Pusan perimeter, and many a cold Korean hillside, played host to the Garand, and the soldiers and Marines carrying it.

Even in Vietnam, the Garand made a brief appearance with advisors. My father, infact, carried a Garand in all three of those conflicts. Across the Pacific. In Korea. In the early days of our involvement in Vietnam.

In all these wars, there were other weapons available, true. But almost none were as good as the Garand.

To this day, many a gun expert, will say that even today with weapons that fire far faster, and maybe even further in some cases, a well trained rifle platoon of WWII marines will not be all that far outgunned with their Garands.

So yes, war winner. Didn't do it all alone, but it put in its work. If Patton said it was a war winner, who are we to argue? He was there. He saw what it did.

reply to post by seagull


Amazing that your father fought in all 3 wars. Was he airborne by any chance?

I guess one more thing I wanted to add to the AK vs M1 discussion that has popped up here is this...Close distance/jungle warfare, the AK might have an advantage. Anywhere else, the M1 has the advantage. I guess most of this really depends on the terrain.

I'm not a shooter in any sense of the word but doesn't the guy pulling the trigger make the weapon superior? Couldn't a well trained or practiced person make any weapon deadly while a poor shooter would nullify any advantage a weapon offered them?

I'm looking forward to see what will actually replace the Colt M4 in the Army's Improved Carbine Competition. It's time to get with the program and get with the modern innovations that are now available in the general platform.

I'm keeping an eye on Adcor's B.E.A.R. platform. Lot's to like here www.adcorindustries.com...

No piston rings and a forward mounted charging handle. It probably makes to much sense for the Army to adopt. It can be fired at full auto, one handed with virtually no muzzle climb.

Video here
kitup.military.com...


Back on topic. Sorry

Plenty to like about the Garand and its evolution into the M14. However, on a global basis the AK 47 certainly can be made cheaply with stamped metal, and in massive quantities in just as many configurations. Clean it with a little spit and you're good to go. The weapon has certainly seen its time in countless theaters of combat around the world. Those are the only reasons why it placed so high. You won't see a B.E.A.R in the hands of Hezbelloah

Originally posted by SirMike
I disagree with the AK's status. While it certainly is the most widely used rifle and has a legendary reputation for its ruggedness, its not really a precision weapon by any stretch of the imagination and is very heavy. I think the trophy goes to the FN FAL.

I so miss my FNC1A1, the versions of the FAL that was manufactured in Canada for the CF.

First off - is this the list from the OP?

Millitary Channel - Top Ten Combat Rifles

Second - I have to question their putting the Lee Enfield over the M1 at 3 and 4 respectively..