Homosexuality among men and the grim risks it entails

Originally posted by llmacgregor

Originally posted by topherman420
I don't know....lets put a spin on this.....what if we were to say MEN were at higher risk for aids? Would that change the tone of this thread?

MEN are at a higher risk for aids. In particular gay men.....Thats what the OP obviously stated with facts and percentages.

I find it extremely ignorant that homosexuals and gay supporting heterosexuals see these facts as hatefull. Thats just dumb, Facts dont have feelings, or opinions, they are just facts based upon studies done...How can anyone in their right mind inturpret a fact as hateful...

Butt sex among gay men is apparently spreading and increasing the VERY SERIOUS HIV/Aids virus...And STD's, why is it wrong or hatefull to inform people of this?

To the he/she who reported the OP, dont get your panties in a bunch man....They are just facts. People post facts that I dont like about the government everyday. I dont report them, grow up!

Im not a homophobe, im an ignorant-people-a-phobe.

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Yes and im sure that if more woman liked "butt sex" without a condom we would have the same problem. What about lesbians, they are homosexual are they risk of aids just as much as homosexual men? I was just saying lets drop labels and go back to basics. A bunch of stupid men, who can't keep it in their pants, don't like to use lube or condoms and having anal sex. Why are they so stupid, oh that's right they were thinking with their "member" instead of their head, something which straight and gay men share pretty equally.
Im tired of being lumped in with people im not in any way similar to other then the gender I date.

Sigh, Another day, another gay bashing thread.

You people need to stop concerning yourselves with the business of other people's private lives.

Yes and im sure that if more woman liked "butt sex" without a condom we would have the same problem. What about lesbians, they are homosexual are they risk of aids just as much as homosexual men? I was just saying lets drop labels and go back to basics. A bunch of stupid men, who can't keep it in their pants, don't like to use lube or condoms and having anal sex. Why are they so stupid, oh that's right they were thinking with their "member" instead of their head, something which straight and gay men share pretty equally.
Im tired of being lumped in with people im not in any way similar to other then the gender I date.

What you said about women and lesbians is simply rhetorical at best...
But ok, I just had to say what I thought..and I did. I conclude my "gay bashing" with supporting safer sex practices.

Originally posted by llmacgregor

Yes and im sure that if more woman liked "butt sex" without a condom we would have the same problem. What about lesbians, they are homosexual are they risk of aids just as much as homosexual men? I was just saying lets drop labels and go back to basics. A bunch of stupid men, who can't keep it in their pants, don't like to use lube or condoms and having anal sex. Why are they so stupid, oh that's right they were thinking with their "member" instead of their head, something which straight and gay men share pretty equally.
Im tired of being lumped in with people im not in any way similar to other then the gender I date.

What you said about women and lesbians is simply rhetorical at best...

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It was rhetoric, and for a reason. Glad you are so observant and put more thought into my post....

reply to post by Reprobation


I found your "thread" to be highly offensive, as well as lacking a definitive purpose. Was this meant to incite outrage against the Homosexual community, or to inform us of the dangers of HIV and AIDS? I believe it was the former.

You are fully entitled to your own opinion, but I would highly suggest that you consider the emotional impact it may have on others.

I am a proud Homosexual man who is HIV negative, however, one of my very close friends just found out he is HIV positive. To refer to this terrible disease as "Gay Disease" is very short-sighted/small-minded, as it afflicts a broad range of human beings.

I pray that you learn the true meaning of empathy, before you go about spewing extremely bias rhetoric.

Much love,
OnewithAll

Originally posted by Fromabove
I had to live in an apartment building one time that was also the residence of some gay men. All I can say is they they were the most promiscuous people I ever saw. They had so many partners coming to get sex and all I heard all day and night were jealous fights and fits of rage. And it was the same with the homosexual women as well. Once a person gives themselves over to homosexuality, there seems to be the need to prove it is good. I saw no good from it, only bitter fights and sadness. A lot of gays end up killing themselves over their feelings.

Maybe it was your neighbor-hood that was the problem? That and thin walls. No reason to try and dictate peoples love life over what amounts to a housing problem. That makes you... a DICTATOR.

reply to post by Fromabove


Well us, as heterosexual people force these people to see us in PDA's (public displays of affection), maybe theyre offended by it as much as some of us are offended by their PDA's
I for one, do not participate in PDA's

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


Nature has accomodated for the vaginal muscle to absorb the rigorous activity of penile penetration.

Conversely, the anus is designed to EJECT, and not insert, material. This is how mankind has evolved. Those of an aberrant sexuality therefore run a risk of harming themselves by going against the flux of nature. Im not saying homosexuality is wrong persay, but that anal sex in itself is wrong, and dangerous.

Thus, it would be logical and expected for there to be ramifications for the sphinctor muscle when it is barraged by penal strikes to the anus.

Also, conider the dirtiness of the rectum, and the phenomenon of AIDS (which grew out of the gay community) is easily explained. . It is the dirtiest part of the body.

Now, i know how you will respond to this. "special preparation", which probably involves not eating for a few days in order to empty the colon and clean the anus.

Compare this preparation to good old fashioned sex, between a man and a woman. There is little to no preparation, and thats depending on the person.

Even despite the preparation to avoid dirtiness/bacteria, anal sex still increases your risk towards anal cancer. The impact absorbed by the walls in the ass eventually evoles into contusions, which become polyps later on.

I know this because im an ass doctor. I have a PHD in Pooology

On a serious note. All im saying is it cant be good, logically, for the rectum which is used by us primarely to eject material, to absorb another object which pounds against its walls, vigorusly. Eventually, you would develop incontinence. I know a few gay people, and all of them have a incontinence problem.

Originally posted by Inconceivable
I'm Gay. I'm in a monogamous relationship, and I practice safe sex with my Partner. In addition, we do not practice Anal sex, and I know many other Gay men who do not like Anal sex either.

You sound like nothing but a troll who is trying to spread fear and hate, and you have been reported.

well said.

reply to post by dontreally


A virus and bacteria are different....it can be clogged and dirty as 70 year old pipes, it won't increase the occurrence of catching aids. It is definitely due to tears and a thin mucous membrane which protects the colon, which all sexes do have as far as I know. Anal sex for any sex is dangerous and comes with consequences that may or may not happen depending on the precautions taken prior, such as HIV tests, lube and condoms.
Bottom line is anal sex is a dangerous sex no matter who does it, or how clean your pooper is.

reply to post by dontreally


This is a little bit gross. There had better be some small amount of preparation or I am not sleeping with you.

Compare this preparation to good old fashioned sex, between a man and a woman. There is little to no preparation, and thats depending on the person.

And I don't think you are a proctologist or even in physiology at all or you would have spelled sphincter right and not said this.

it would be logical and expected for there to be ramifications for the sphincter muscle

A muscle like any other can be exercised to loosen or tighten as you demand and require by practice and habit. The anus is no different from a bicep that way.

On a serious note. All im saying is it cant be good, logically, for the rectum which is used by us primarely to eject material, to absorb another object which pounds against its walls, vigorusly. Eventually, you would develop incontinence. I know a few gay people, and all of them have a incontinence problem.

Incontinence from using the orifice for other than the designed intention??
OK - The mouth is for eating food and yet, I know more than a few heterosexuals people who have trouble keeping things in their mouth. Perhaps there really is something to what you are saying?

I am not sure what causes the loosening of this orifice to the extent that the craziest stuff just falls out ...but it happens. Using the same rational we would all have to abandon oral sex and I am not sure we are all willing to go there. I'm not anyway. This is one grim risk I am willing to let my girlfriend take.

A number of studies have demonstrated that oral sex is not necessarily safe sex. Both giving and receiving oral sex can lead to the transmission of sexually transmitted infections or sexually transmitted diseases (also known as STIs or STDs).www.avert.org...

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Just to point out-in Africa where the disease is rampant-The continent has about 17% of the worlds population but accounts for 67% of all AIDS cases and over 70% of all AIDS related deaths-at least in 2009.

I apologize for joining the discussion late, but that was my 1st thought when reading the original post, lordtyp0. I am not sure how someone can ignore the obvious HIV problems afflicting people from all walks of life ALL over the world as others have already pointed out! Sub-Saharan Africa is particularly hard hit with this disease, and there are MANY ways in which the virus can be contracted!

Approximately 14,000 new HIV infections occur daily around the world and over 90% of these are in developing countries. One thousand are in children less than 15 years of age. Of adult infections, 40% are in women and 15% in individuals of 15 - 25 years of age. Perinatal infection has resulted in a large number of children being born with HIV. 30-50% of mother to child transmissions of HIV results from breast feeding and about a quarter of babies born to HIV-infected mothers are themselves infected.

From: pathmicro.med.sc.edu...

Women and children are highly affected by this terrible virus, and are dying every day. (ignored by the OP) I wonder what they would think if they heard the OPs analysis?

The OP can find more detailed information on the UNISEF website, as well as at www.avert.org... and many others.

I believe it is shortsided to post only one aspect of the HIV problem, and to ask such a loaded question as "AIDS is a gay disease?"

reply to post by TigaHawk


All the OP did was post some objective data and report it. Funny how people are mad because they don't know "why" which shows that they are unable to think for themselves and need to be held by the hand to reach obvious conclusions. Secondly, it's amazing how angry these people get when they are exposed to the truth. This post was was not only informative but also a great look into their psyche as well. Because the OP was met with such unprovoked hostility you can certainly see these people are conflicted by their behavior on the inside so they compensate for that by acting proud and looking for acceptance on the outside. And when they dont get it their insecurities take over and everything becomes hate and the fangs come out no matter how true or objective it is.

Why is everyone acting like you need to have anal sex to get aids? You an get aids from regular sex between a man and a women too!!!

Originally posted by hxc408
reply to post by TigaHawk

 

All the OP did was post some objective data and report it. Funny how people are mad because they don't know "why" which shows that they are unable to think for themselves and need to be held by the hand to reach obvious conclusions. Secondly, it's amazing how angry these people get when they are exposed to the truth. This post was was not only informative but also a great look into their psyche as well. Because the OP was met with such unprovoked hostility you can certainly see these people are conflicted by their behavior on the inside so they compensate for that by acting proud and looking for acceptance on the outside. And when they dont get it their insecurities take over and everything becomes hate and the fangs come out no matter how true or objective it is.

I'm sorry to disagree with you but here's why:
The OP posted the question: "AIDS is a gay disease?" Then he only provided data to present the conclusion that he wanted the readers to reach. Which I assume was "yes". He (or she) did not however present the true picture of the HIV/AIDS predicament world wide, which is abundantly available online. And I assume also that the OP knew his biased provision of statistics would likely upset some people, as they understood the message he was trying to convey. In my opinion, this has nothing to do with whether or not anyone agrees with homosexuality or not, but a clear picture of the HIV/AIDS probelm was not presented and therefore people get upset when the OP tries to lead the conclusion to be "a gay disease"....

reply to post by Reprobation


I beg to differ.

I personally believe the higher gay statistics come from the following.

A) Gay men are more likely to take drugs well into their 30's and beyond. A mixture of some drugs can make it easier for the virus to take hold because the drugs weaken the immune system to begin with.

B) Gay men are more aware of the aids virus and will go for frequent checks.
I being a straight man have never had an aids test and neither have any of my friends.
The number of straight people with aids is probably 30% higher than your official statistics.

they just don't know it yet.

Originally posted by hxc408
reply to post by TigaHawk

 

All the OP did was post some objective data and report it. Funny how people are mad because they don't know "why" which shows that they are unable to think for themselves and need to be held by the hand to reach obvious conclusions. Secondly, it's amazing how angry these people get when they are exposed to the truth. This post was was not only informative but also a great look into their psyche as well. Because the OP was met with such unprovoked hostility you can certainly see these people are conflicted by their behavior on the inside so they compensate for that by acting proud and looking for acceptance on the outside. And when they dont get it their insecurities take over and everything becomes hate and the fangs come out no matter how true or objective it is.

Conversely, do you think this thread would produce a love fest?



I am betting a thread discussing the pleasures of homosexual sex would meet with the same haters only from the other side. You see how they are both in appropriated and really just antagonistic? I can get links and data and websites to support or trash any argument whether it is right or wrong. Fangs? Fangs are barred when people are needled.

reply to post by dontreally


So from a medical standpoint the act of anal sex is unnatural. Regardless of what some people might want to believe, that sexual act is going to be more prevelant in homosexuals than hetrosexuals. There is no scienific proof needed, because the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

From an evolutionary standpoint it just goes to reason then that homosexual acts and considering yourself to be a homosexual is also unnatural for the simple fact that procreation is not possible. Nature made vagina's for a reason. To have babies. Nature made penis's for a reason. To make babies. I can't make it more simple than that people. You either understand what nature is or you don't.

From a societal standpoint, while homosexuality may be getting to be accepted, one cannot help but get the feeling that it's only happening to appease the very vocal pro-homosexuality groups. There were homosexuals in the '30's and '40's but they weren't vocal about having equal rights. They may not have had equal rights, but it seems to me that they must have been happier and healthier that way because they didn't have society having all this focus and attention paid to them.

The first two points I made are what logic dictates. This third point (societal) simply goes against that logic for the purpose of being politically correct. Which in and of itself in a contradiction of terms. Kinda like "military intelligence". But for some reason, we have people believing that every person on this planet is equal even if they choose not to pull their own weight or if they choose to live a lifestyle that does not help the cycle of life continue. And by doing so, those same people regard themselves as being more intelectually advanced than the cave dwellers who think homosexuality is wrong because they're giving these poor, misunderstood people a voice. So again, we have something unnatural happening and it is directly linked to homosexuality.

People can ignore logic and common sense all they want to because they want to jump on the PC bandwagon or becuase they have friends or family who are gay. That's all and fine, but it doesn't make the logic and common sense go away. It's still there, and the fact that homosexuality is unnatural is never going to go away as long as you have hetrosexuals having babies and continuing the cycle of life.

How depressing that certain types of people still get upset with what other folks do.
All that natural talk is a load of hokum, anyway.
If you're going to go down that route then it means no blow jobs, no hand jobs, no bum fun with yer Mrs, hell, no masturbation...what a grim future.

Really, instead of all that rubbish, if you just practiced safe sex and tried to have long term, monogamous relationships, then you'd be much better off, whoever you were with.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


I find it interesting to mention the "happy" homosexuals of the 40's and 50's....if im not mistaken it was illegal and after it was a bit less stigmatized in the 50's it was put down as a mental disorder. There was a reason for less vocal homosexuals because you would be jailed or a fear of being institutionalized.

The cycle of life is beyond procreation at this point in society, we have no worries of dying in our 30's, or woman dying from childbirth complications or dying of simple infections because of a lack of medical science, we don't have the worry of if our village will die off because of a low birthrate.