The Reinforced Concrete of the Pentagon

It does not matter what your article says.

That is 2 layers of bricks and a plaster wall.

No concrete, No rebar.

There is nothing you can do or say that will change that fact.

But if you want to bang your head against it, go ahead.

reply to post by waypastvne


It does matter what the article said.

By the description the only wall that didn't include reinforced concrete was the exterior perimeter limestone wall.

Your images prove limestone walls, so what are we looking at here?

Again we're reduced with taking the word of the most likely suspects that the punchout hole was where they claim.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by waypastvne

 

so what are we looking at here?

2 layers of bricks and plaster wall without any rebar or concrete.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by waypastvne

 

so what are we looking at here?

2 layers of bricks and plaster wall without any rebar or concrete.

The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall.

Originally posted by Yankee451

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by waypastvne

 

so what are we looking at here?

2 layers of bricks and plaster wall without any rebar or concrete.

The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall.

I would suggest that you read the Performance Report; the article you are referencing was written to describe the concrete repair process, not meant to be in-depth description of the architecture.

Originally posted by Yankee451

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by Yankee451
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so what are we looking at here?

2 layers of bricks and plaster wall without any rebar or concrete.

The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall.

Obviously your quote is incorrect, because what we see in all of the pictures are, 2 layers of bricks and plaster wall without any rebar or concrete.

reply to post by waypastvne


Here it is recounted how the decision to use limestone only on the exterior perimeter wall was reached. One concern was that it would appear extravagant.

They also go over the decision making behind arriving at architectural concrete to be used.


Source

So if we're looking at a brick wall lined with limestone, and like you said, we are; in what wall is the punchout hole?

reply to post by Yankee451


We are not looking at a brick wall lined with limestone. We are also not looking at steel reinforced concrete wall.

What we are looking at is a wall consisting of 2 layers of bricks and an interior plaster wall. Nothing will change that fact.

reply to post by waypastvne


We are looking at bricks faced with limestone.

Unlike you, I have provided two documents that prove the light wells were shear walls, and bearing walls, and they say clearly they were made of reinforced, poured in place, architectural concrete.

I guess we're in agreement then, this was not a hole in the C ring light well. I suspect that is because the wall breaching kit could easier cut through the brick...and notice how it's centered between the concrete pillars.

Originally posted by Yankee451


We are looking at bricks faced with limestone.

No we are looking at 2 layers of brick . The interior layer is red brick. The exterior layer is yellow brick. We can also see the remnants of a plaster wall.
We don't see any rebar or concrete.

If you want to see a wall made of reinforced, poured in place, architectural concrete, you will need to look at the second floor exterior wall.

reply to post by waypastvne

We don't see any rebar or concrete.

Fine, yellow and red brick, and yes, no reinforced concrete.

However, according to the two documents I have provided, we SHOULD see concrete and rebar; so where are these images from?

The president was "emphatic in his disapproval of the use of brick, either red or cream colored," Somefvell reported. The walls would be made of architectural concrete.

books.google.com... lt&resnum=1&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 136

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by waypastvne

 

We don't see any rebar or concrete.

Fine, yellow and red brick, and yes, no reinforced concrete.

However, according to the two documents I have provided, we SHOULD see concrete and rebar; so where are these images from?

edit on 22-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

The Pentagon. What documents? Oh, you mean that magazine article about the concrete repair process? Try the Building Performance report. Talks all about AE Drive and the brick curtain walls and the distinction between levels on the various drawings, the lightwells, etc.

Originally posted by Yankee451
so where are these images from?

38'52'12.15 N 77'03'24.65 W

reply to post by hooper


From "The untold story of the wartime race to build the Pentagon - and to restore it sixty years later", by Steve Vogel

books.google.com... lt&resnum=1&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

reply to post by waypastvne

Each of its almost featureless 80-foot high outer walls is over 920 feet long, pierced (except at the top story) with rectangular windows. They are built of reinforced concrete (although nonbearing), faced with Indiana Limestone and backed with brick.

They say the inner light well walls are also nonstructural in this book, but they also say:

The external walls of the inner ranges are in-situ, off-the-form concrete; Groves thought that brick would expedite construction, but Bergstrom's "insistence" on concrete added $650,000 to the cost

From "Icons of American Architecture: The Alamo, San Antonia, Texas...etc.."
page 345
books.google.com... lt&resnum=8&ved=0CGYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Source

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by hooper

 

From "The untold story of the wartime race to build the Pentagon - and to restore it sixty years later", by Steve Vogel

books.google.com... lt&resnum=1&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Boy, everything but the one place I advised you to look. So much for the old "just asking questions"!!

Pentagon Building Performance Report.

reply to post by hooper


They have these things called URLs now.

Besides, I thought my posts made clear how much veracity one should give to reports from a thoroughly corrupt government that was responsible for the crime they're reporting about.

Got a link to something with more teeth...any link at all?

Originally posted by Yankee451
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They have these things called URLs now.

Besides, I thought my posts made clear how much veracity one should give to reports from a thoroughly corrupt government that was responsible for the crime they're reporting about.

Got a link to something with more teeth...any link at all?

edit on 22-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

OK, I understand. You need to be careful about what information you access. Only that which serves your delusion. Admitting that anything else exists could be dangerous. But you always have the old "they're all corrupt" crutch to lean on.

reply to post by hooper

OK, I understand. You need to be careful about what information you access. Only that which serves your delusion. Admitting that anything else exists could be dangerous. But you always have the old "they're all corrupt" crutch to lean on.

Wow...project much?

That's a long way to travel to say you don't have a URL.

reply to post by Yankee451


Poured structural concrete does not come 8" x 4" x 2 1/2" sizes. Bricks do.

2 layers of brick and a plaster wall. No concrete. No rebar.