Communism, Socialism, and Marxism should be declared Treason:

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You fail to realise that we, the people are messed up because the monetary system is messed up. How many times do I have to spell it out for you. Also, my knowledge on the topic is thorough, therefore, if you want to turn this into a pissing contest, U2U me. Don't taint this good thread with your hyperbole.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
McCarthy may be dead but communism is not.

Do you know who McCarty is and what he did? He's the antithesis of communism. He went on a "red hunt". Destroyed many law abiding peoples lives looking for "commies". Coincidentally, that's TOTALLY against the Constitution.

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in france for exemple , we had left , right , right and the next will probably left again, but we have a lot of social care in our system ,that why france is a nice country to live in.
And globaly i will say that europe is more social than america.
Citizen of eu are more protected socialy.
People are usualy fed up with the gov in function and they vote for the other side and the same goes on again and again.
But for a fact now whoever is in charge , the way economy is made in our capitalism country cannot sustain for ever , and is born to fail due to different factor one beeing a demographic factor. Right know the only thing economist can do is put band aid on the gash to delay the end of this broken system.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Socialism and Communism are both antithetical to freedom. Both involve using force to take the fruits of your labor to give to others without compensation. That is also known as slavery.

Sounds like what we've had for a hundred years then.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Don't you see how ridiculous the Socialist ideology is?

Have you missed my posts? There's socialism ALL through your system(not just in the Obama age). Let's get the "boogyman" of socialism out of the mix. McCarthy is dead. His crusade should have died with him.

Yes, you are right. Socialism has been brought to the US in increments. That's called Fabian Socialism. Obama just accelerated the pace a whole lot. Hillary didn't get Socialised Medicine when she promoted it during Bill's term. They felt they were behind schedule on implementation of the Totalitarian Utopian State. She has been such a busy bee though, promoting the Rights of the Child at the UN.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Timing

 

You fail to realise that we, the people are messed up because the monetary system is messed up. How many times do I have to spell it out for you. Also, my knowledge on the topic is thorough, therefore, if you want to turn this into a pissing contest, U2U me. Don't taint this good thread with your hyperbole.

No, you made an assumption and I'm asking you a question on your assumption. I'm not sure what exactly you "spelled out for me".

Also why would I U2U you? After all the thread is about "Socialism, Communism, Marxism should be declared treasonous".

So with that being stated and said, what system of mine is "doomed", and please if you could, maybe you could tell me what the bigger picture is that I'm missing? Because it seems to me what you are failing to grasp is that without people then this debate and conversation wouldn't even exist. Much less anything else? I don't know how much more of a bigger picture I need "to get" than 7+ billion???

Originally posted by DieBravely

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Socialism and Communism are both antithetical to freedom. Both involve using force to take the fruits of your labor to give to others without compensation. That is also known as slavery.

Sounds like what we've had for a hundred years then.

Yes, they've been working very hard on it. Don't let the fact that the robber barons are getting their "fair share" of the pie through the Fed distract from the whole pie of the State.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Don't let the fact that the robber barons are getting their "fair share" of the pie through the Fed distract from the whole pie of the State.

That's not socialism or communism. That's hard core capitalism, dominated by the Golden Rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. JFK's dad Joey made a pantload of money off of illegal hooch during prohibition.

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Yes, I am aware of McCarthy and his efforts to expose communists. There have been communists embedded in govt, education, media, and entertainment. They may call it "corporatism" now, because there's big money in promoting it. Communism kills the host.

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Like I said, the robber barons usually make out better than the proletariat. Just so you know, I'm aware that Big Money promotes communism and socialism both. Prescott Bush financed Hitler, and the Rockefellers financed the Bolshevik Revolution. Today, the UN uses NGO's to promote the agenda from the top down and the bottom up.

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My god you are starting to sound alot like a troll. I explained all that in the first sentence. I keep saying over and over that unless you replace the monetary system, any political ideology will fail. Get your facts straight before attacking my credibility. Also, cheap insults are not the way to get proper answers. If you talked like that to me in my face you would be in some serious trouble. Now, no further response is required so don't bother.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Just so you know, I'm aware that Big Money promotes communism and socialism both.

What you fail to realize is that they promote capitalism as well. At least their version of it. The one americans are always in defense of even while they are getting shafted.

More on my post regarding financing of communism

Evidence already published by George Katkov, Stefan Possony, and Michael Futrell has established that the return to Russia of Lenin and his party of exiled Bolsheviks, followed a few weeks later by a party of Mensheviks, was financed and organized by the German government.1 The necessary funds were transferred in part through the Nya Banken in Stockholm, owned by Olof Aschberg, and the dual German objectives were: (a) removal of Russia from the war, and (b) control of the postwar Russian market.2

We have now gone beyond this evidence to establish a continuing working relationship between Bolshevik banker Olof Aschberg and the Morgan-controlled Guaranty Trust Company in New York before, during, and after the Russian Revolution. In tsarist times Aschberg was the Morgan agent in Russia and negotiator for Russian loans in the United States; during 1917 Aschberg was financial intermediary for the revolutionaries; and after the revolution Aschberg became head of Ruskombank, the first Soviet international bank, while Max May, a vice president of the Morgan-controlled Guaranty Trust, became director and chief of the Ruskom-bank foreign department. We have presented documentary evidence of a continuing working relationship between the Guaranty Trust Company and the Bolsheviks. The directors of Guaranty Trust in 1917 are listed in Appendix 1.

Moreover, there is evidence of transfers of funds from Wall Street bankers to international revolutionary activities. For example, there is the statement (substantiated by a cablegram) by William Boyce Thompson — a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, a large stockholder in the Rockefeller-controlled Chase Bank, and a financial associate of the Guggenheims and the Morgans — that he (Thompson) contributed $1 million to the Bolshevik Revolution for propaganda purposes.

The governments of the world, according to the Marburg Plan, were to be socialized while the ultimate power would remain in the hands of the international financiers "to control its councils and enforce peace [and so] provide a specific for all the political ills of mankind."9

www.reformed-theology.org...

Notice the mention of both Rockefellers and Morgan in this piece? The Intl bankers have always been in the thick of the communist revolution. Morgan was an operative of the Rothschilds.

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The idea behind a Socialist government isn't necessarily to take from the rich to give to the poor... but it's the idea that if the government can afford it, to provide things like Health Care and universal post-secondary education and child care services. These are things that governments around the world already offer in Canada, Germany, Australia, etc... These are good places to live. So what's ur problem with socialism?

Edit to add: USA can't afford these services because most of it's income goes towards paying for it's military and interest payments on ur national debt... so if your government managed it's money better maybe you wouldn't be so opposed to getting free services from your government.

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I am with you an this. These will bring our country to a pile of rubble.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Timing

 

My god you are starting to sound alot like a troll. I explained all that in the first sentence. I keep saying over and over that unless you replace the monetary system, any political ideology will fail. Get your facts straight before attacking my credibility. Also, cheap insults are not the way to get proper answers. If you talked like that to me in my face you would be in some serious trouble. Now, no further response is required so don't bother.

Hrmm... Okay then. So you are going to say how "cheap insults are not the way to get proper answers" then you are going to go about threatening me. Okay then.

I'm still awaiting the answer to my question about how my "system" is doomed.



No, I don't think any of those ideologies should be considered treasonous because they are all one in the same in reality. In some situations they work, and in others they don't work. There is a commune in, I think Israel, that is purely communist and it works really well for that community, but as it is scaled up it loses what it is set out to do. As when you start to introduce the real human element people start to find ways to manipulate the system to their advantage.

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. so if your government managed it's money better maybe you wouldn't be so opposed to getting free services from your government.

There are NO FREE SERVICES. There is no free lunch. How do you guys not get this???

Originally posted by NWOPrimate
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The idea behind a Socialist government isn't necessarily to take from the rich to give to the poor... but it's the idea that if the government can afford it, to provide things like Health Care and universal post-secondary education and child care services. These are things that governments around the world already offer in Canada, Germany, Australia, etc... These are good places to live. So what's ur problem with socialism?

Edit to add: USA can't afford these services because most of it's income goes towards paying for it's military and interest payments on ur national debt... so if your government managed it's money better maybe you wouldn't be so opposed to getting free services from your government.

edit on 21-8-2011 by NWOPrimate because: (no reason given)

Well part of "my problem" with Socialism is that it's a fake equality based on forced redistribution of wealth. They preach social justice by forcibly taking money that another person worked for, and giving it to those who are destitute, and it's all in the good name of helping the poor. In reality, this equalization is terribly unjust, forcing working people to sustain everyone else, and it cannot possibly work when half the population is either not working or otherwise sucking the resources of the State. The State is not doing it because they love us, but rather so they can control us. Just look at the whole agenda of getting more and more people dependent on the State, growing govt, more govt jobs and less private industry and job creation. That is all part of the plan to implement a One World Totalitarian Socialist State. Rationing of health care and resources will follow. Then the State will be dictating every aspect of our lives including how much toilet paper we will be allowed. Is that really how you want to live your life? With the govt rationing water supplies to you? Electricity? Food?

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You really don't seem to get it. You use internet "anonymity" to bolster your ego and then when someone gives you an answer you discredit it. You know what I think? I think you need to wake the hell up.

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Here's a quote that's very interesting

"Israel was invented and founded by Red Zionists geopolitically as part of Eurasia, from the beginning oriented towards the Eurasian continent and developed as a Red proletarian communal republic. We, the National Bolsheviks of Israel, see our global mission in the resurrection and reworking of the idea of very great social justice for the Workers of Zion in the context of an interconnection with Russian National Bolshevism and the construction of a single imperial state free from the tyranny of globalism."
-- National Bolshevik Party Israel

nationalfuturism.org...