Jets escorting UFO - CGI, US tech, or UFO please comment

Some screen shots here. Thank you puzzlesphere for the analysis and the GIF .
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I'd say its a fake based upon the 'too good to be true' factor and the speed of the jets and the ultra tight formation.

As for the CGI being crap, what are you on, its not bad, the compositing is pretty tight although helped by the poor quality of the footage, either that or the branches were added in but whatever its not too shabby, I'm not saying Oscar material but its managed to keep people arguing for 4 pages so far.

I'm not an expert but I did spend 5yrs working with Max etc playing around and as a UFO believer one of the first things an inspired modeller tries to do is create a UFO scene that looks good, matching light levels, shadows, making sure the model interacts with any imported artwork of buildings etc etc.

After doing this for a while you get the eye for what's wrong with or animation, like the Haiti one where there's poly issue at one point (didn't check his model), as I said it does not make me any more than a budding amateur but it does mean that those shouting it sucks really should research a bit, its a bit more than plonking a model or super imposing an image, there's so much more to do it with any hope of realism.

I like it how some people claim "FAKE !!! FAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!" .... without presenting any proof of their claims ...

For example some dude here ... slice or something claimed its fake because he is a pro in video editing, cameraman, video artist and in weekends Jesus Christ himself but seriously come up with some evidence...

And i think the same guy said that the sound is heard before the fighters pass the camera.... if you notice .. they are flying at SUB-SONIC speed in a valley so the sound that is faster than the jets has time to hit the valley walls and echo arround it ...

Originally posted by homeslice
Wow.
Thats a really, really bad fake.
Shocker.

Because....................................................................?

sec. line.

Originally posted by majesticgent
reply to post by KSprepared

 

If I am not mistaken, those appear to be F-14 Tomcats which I don't think the US Navy uses anymore, so that in itself has me leaning towards fake. Can anyone else verify that these are or are not F-14s?

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F-14's for sure (US Navy Air Traffic Controller (Ret.)).

They still have them and do fly them. They have been retired from combat but are used for testing and to chase Drone's (and apparentlly UFO's too!)

reply to post by KSprepared


Here, pretty conclusive, as if the fakeness weren't enough.

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Sorry I was a probably a bit hasty in saying it was a REALLY bad fake. Its not that bad.
But I think its not good enough for so much debate.
The speed and movements look far too unnatural, the perspective is sort of screwed - especially at the beginning. The formation seems to be too close together, and it generally seems to be an after effects sort of job.

So yea, anyway. thats my thoughts. Do you think this is genuine? If so, please enlighten me.

Here is the "UFO" going behind the house. I'm concerned about the 'darkened' trees and the single flashing light on the other side. Besides, I've YET to hear of an incident where a UFO "let's" aircraft follow IT, rather THEY do the following or bolt like lightning!!!

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In the first pic-in-pic ("no jet!), the jet would be at the arrow- behind the tree. But I doubt it's legitimacy anyway. I'm with ya'!

reply to post by SonOfKal


Well, most of it. I freezed it at that frame because the rear-verticle tail section would be right in that gap, And being a low quaility video, that would be the best area to see. It's funny how most UFO vids are junk quality.

reply to post by homeslice


I do not know what to think.....the whole UFO thing is so very confusing.

Today it is difficult to tell if something is real or not if you do not take the time and tools to really examine video's and pictures.

I am not an expert on any of these things unless it is obvious....for my standard.

You can be correct and is it what you say it is.

It is an easy decision for someone who made up his mind and drawed the conclusion that UFO's do not excist.

I want to belief, just like Fox Mulder and I wish I had some of his experiances which would scrap the "want to belief" and change it to "I know".

It's sad how many posts are wasted and how cases get negative rep for ridiculous, unfounded comments and "professional" observations that are anything but.

A "feeling" doesn't mean a thing. If you want to prove something is fake, prove it with facts, not with emotions and gut feelings. I don't care how "pro" you are, you won't prove something unless you have facts. Try taking that to court some time, see how well your gut feelings are accepted as fact. "I just.. know judge! Because I know everything about it!" Yea.. that's not going to cut it.

People make ridiculous comments without thinking. Sound doesn't just magically move slower than any jet out of consideration. Is the jet going 700mph? It depends on how high the jets are flying, but even at 20k feet, sound still travels a heck of a lot faster than they are going in this video. You would absolutely hear the jets first.

The jets are identical - this is a complaint? They are manufactured aircraft. They -better- be identical! In what way did you expect them to be different? Unless you mean they are in such a close (identical) formation, that this would be impossible. Well, I don't think it would be impossible, and if you compare frame by frame, they are not completely identical in each.

If I had issues with it, it would be something like.. it's too convenient of a shot. As if they were on a display for this person taking the video footage. I'm not a video expert, so I'd not try to make claims about lighting or movement or anything else really.. nor just blurt out "It's real!" or "It's an obvious fake!" I don't know why people think this is "obvious." You can see the objects behind a tree. I don't know the talent level or time required to make such a thing, but I'd guess it would have to be pretty substantial.

The other possibility could be a viral bit for a movie. If so, we'll know in time I guess.

But to just blurt out you "know" it's a fake doesn't help at all. Nor making observations without thinking at least a little critically about what you are watching. It's kind of funny, because as much as there are some who badly want something to be real, there are an equal number of people who badly want everything to be a fake. They are so resolute in their belief, that the words "omg bad fake.. cgi lol!" come out of their mouths after possibly not even watching the entire video once, let alone doing any expert analysis.

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What and absolute joke. How someone could see this video and think it is real is the reason wy this subject is consistantly relegated to be represented by the most ignorant amoung us.

lol did anyone know that ats has banned these guys from their site. gotta ask why a site would ban them?

Hi, Why did you get banned from ATS? Just noticed…and wondered why. Thanks, dsm1664 Reply * Comment by DISCL0SUR3 on June 18, 2011 3:38 pm Hi there, Yes I was banned, why? I have no clue…in fact, I tried to contact several different mods on several different occasions to get an explanation, they never responded. I’m extremely pissed at ATS right now, makes me question their agenda! Reply

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enter the contest and build your own ufo intro clip. lol

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HAHAHAHA wow ok judge for your self. true aliens or a contest by computer graphics?

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I never mentioned anything about the sound. I also did at some point state why I thought it was fake.

So here are my reasons again. The perspective does not seem correct, and does not change. It is very convenient that the perspective of the jets and ufo does change but only when it is not on camera. Meaning that the jets and ufo are just still images. Also the lighting doesn't seem to change on the objects at all, plus the speed and movement looks very unrealistic. It plain and simply looks like the jets and Ufo are just still images that have been tracked and comped into that footage.

I am sorry but I have not put this into any program and heavily over analyzed it because it quite simply looks fake from the get go. And in all honestly if you think this i real, I feel sorry for you.

And for everyone who thinks I am on some sort of high horse because of my "experience" in the fields of video and graphics - I am simply stating where I am coming from. I sit infronnt of a computer making video and graphics everyday. And I guarantee that atleast 90% of people with any real video or graphics skills will immediately tell you this video is fake.

And for everyone giving me crap about not showing evidence about my fake claim etc etc. Show me the evidence that those objects are actually part of that original video. I have told you why I think its fake, so tell me why I might me wrong then.


Peace.

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Good catch!... but I had a closer look at the footage and there does actually appear to be darkening of the pixels consistent with the jets going behind the trees. It's subtle, and the footage is blurring (either a real camera blur, or an applied blur effect depending on whether it's real or fake) making it more indistinct, but you can definitely see motion where the jets should be.
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reply to post by homeslice

I don't necessarily think you're wrong, in fact I think it is most likely a fake too, but I don't think it's as obvious a fake as you're making out, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if the jets were real footage and only the UFO was edited in. If it is a fake, I think it is in fact a very good fake. My view is that it's very hard to make the judgement based purely on this fairly short and low-res footage alone, especially at a glance.

I guess that puts me in the 10% of people "... with any real video or graphics skills..." who don't make sweeping statements of fact without having a closer look at the evidence first... which is fine by me.

I somewhat agree about the perspective issue of the objects, that has been raised a few times, but I would argue that the perceived distance of the objects mixed with perpendicular view angle of the first portion of the video and the oblique view angle of the second portion, with the relatively short times, makes it hard to determine for certain about the perspectives, especially because in the second portion the perspectives do seem to shift slightly, though based on the few pixels that make the objects it is hard to be certain.

The biggest issue to me is the seemingly sharp turn that the jets would have had to make while behind the building to change their perspectives so significantly... but again, if real, that could just be an angular illusion thing.

From my work with photorealism I have learned that the real doesn't always look real, and the graphically represented can often look more real than reality itself. The hyperreal is a known phenomenon where our brains trick us into believing something is real even if we know it's fake. This has led to a generalised sociological phenomenon where we as viewers disbelieve reality because of our reluctance and fear of being fooled, meaning that the hyperreal is often believed more readily than reality. There is much research into this area, and as digital media intermingles with reality more and more the blurring line of what's real and not real will have some very interesting effects on society.

Here are some real-time comparisons of real and not real (this is from a few years ago now), and if you look at rendered rather than real-time the results are even more astounding.
Crytek Cryengine 2 comparisons

If one of my students had created this, they would be getting a very high mark... in fact I think I might make this into an assignment... to make a "believable" UFO sighting... I'm sure some of my best students would have heaps of people believing. Sounds fun!

For those of you who say "why would you even bother wasting your time on this..." well, I enjoy it. I like looking at footage and graphics, I enjoy discussion and other people’s opinions and evidence and I can possibly even show some of these examples in classes as teaching points, if I feel it's relevant. I'm happy to devote a small portion of my leisure time to exercises like this, and it's interesting from a purely analytical point of view as well.

The more I look at this footage the less sure I am one way or the other, which is interesting in itself, generally obvious fakes make you more and more certain the longer you analyse them, which gives a small boost to the credibility of this possibly being real. After a quick search online, I can't find anything conclusively confirming or debunking this, though the lack of explanation and information tends to favour the "fake" label more. In the end, while I think it is likely a fake, I just don't think you can definitively make the determination based on this clip alone, more evidence is needed (better quality version, the original unedited footage, multiple eyewitnesses confirmation, etc.).

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Once again , thanks for the work you have done on this . That is either a meticulous attention to detail , or this is real.
It also seems to have made the ABC local news.
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Your video clip is very helpful. If you watch the full video zoomed in again, notice at around :29 at the top right the jets and saucer will suddenly appear out of thin air behind the trees AND the trees they are behind suddenly appear as well !!! Both at the same time Hmm. Even if this is sun flair and if it was real, parts of the crafts would be visible in the trees from :28 forward especially the lead craft/ufo. Instead they just appear along with the trees they are behind in 1 clump at the same time. I believe that ET is here and with filming technology as advanced as it has become its hard to tell whats real without having to microscopically rip the video apart. I have become agitated and tired of fake video and hoaxers trying to deceive us. Thanks for giving everyone a better look at this video and exposing the lie. The more people learn what to look for the harder it will be for the hoaxers to deceive us.

Is it related in any way to this video, maybe same school of cgi.