Blood On My Shirt - Where Are the Real Men At?

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

 

you strike a dude with a glass bottle then quote Gandhi lol. I think you might be confused. Real manly men hahaha get real guy, women and the media have been distorting the image of a real man for years. Its a tough guy no its a hard worker who makes enough money to care for his family, no its cold man who doesn't give a damn about anything and never gets hurt. Truth is nobody really knows what a real man is.

Speak for yourself.
Im very comfortable knowing who I am.
My friend and I just had to address a similar situation when a neighbor's child came to us for help because "Mommy's boyfriend was beating her very bad."
I won't go into details, but the GF denied it happend, even though the guy was proud to admit it to use just before we drug him across a road and ejected him from the area.
Cops were familiar with the couple, and we had no issues at all from them.
Im usually prone to avoid any situation where violence might be required, but I am not afraid to protect those who need it without a second thought.

reply to post by aero56


Arsenal?

You are an internet warrior. You think you can make change, by changing peoples minds.
That is folly. That is naivete and ignorance.

I don't need an arsenal. That was my opinion. I don't have to "prove" my opinion. And I wasn't trying to educate or instruct him.

I was relaying my opinion that the story was BS. Then pointing out that his whole story is a bad series of movie and hero cliches.

This event. Never happened. The ideas he expressed in his story are old fashioned, and misogynistic.
Several of the posts in this thread are disturbingly misogynistic. And lets not forget he paints himself as a classic figure as someone who was super violent and super badass who has sworn off violence for a peaceful life only to be constantly dragged back into a situation where he has to be super badass again because the rest of us are so weak or jaded.

Gimme a break. Go defend something worth defending.
Not some victorian era ideology that no longer applies.

Go defend some homeless people so they don't get murdered by paramilitary trained cops.
go defend some poor people getting evicted from their homes because they were suckered into a 300% arm loan.
Go defend some black people in Cincinnati who keep getting killed because they are guilty of being black in Cincinnati.

Blessed be and thank you for protecting that child and those women! You deserve much praise for your sense of just!
I also believe violence must be avoided unless it is to protect those that can not protect themselves.
I follow the first rule of my religion to the letter : Do as thou please, but harm none! As well as the second rule : Honor all life!
However I do believe that you sometimes do not have a choice, but to resort to violence to protect those that are innocent.

Namasté.

reply to post by KhaliWitch



"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will" is straight out of the Wiccan Rede,which comes,as all such tenets do,from Pythagoras Golden Verses.

pythagoras10.wordpress.com...

"27. Consult and deliberate before thou act, that thou mayest not commit foolish actions.

28. For it is the part of a miserable man to speak and to act without reflection.

29. But do that which will not afflict thee afterwards, nor oblige thee to repentance.

30. Never do anything which thou dost not understand.

31. But learn all thou ought’st to know, and by that means thou wilt lead a very pleasant life."

All any of us can do is follow our own convictions. When we bring religion and it's rules etc into it,the playing field changes,since people tend to put too much stock in the teachings or confuse the true meaning as most times,they are interpreted to suit whatever religion uses them to achieve it's goal.

The very command "An Ye Harm None,Do What Ye Will" would seem to contradict itself .By trying to intervene on behalf of one,you must bring harm to the other. Your 'will' may be to stomp on the big man beating the young girl,but you are commanded,by your chosen faith,not to do so.

Bit of a sticky wicket,that.

reply to post by Qouth The Raven


True, however I always use non- lethal and non-lasting force ( I stop attackers without permanent damage, using accu-pressure technique's to numb a particular body part, rendering it non-usable for an amount of time, but without permanent damage ). That stops attackers, but does no permanent damage or harm. And if done correctly, leaves no mark ( bruises and such ).

Namasté

reply to post by Butterbone


Is it Butterbone or Bitterbone? Just want to be sure so next time I read one of your posts I get it right!!

reply to post by KhaliWitch


But still,you are imposing your will,to put a stop to the act of violence,before the will of everyone else involved.

I am here to learn.

reply to post by aero56


Honesty is always more bitter than the sugar coated lies people tell themselves.

reply to post by Qouth The Raven


That is true, however the Goddess Khali is the protector of the Innocent and I would be going against her Will if I did not try to stop the act of violence. And the Goddess Gaïa is the bringer of Life, so I would be going against her Will if I let an Innocent Life to be Harmed!
So IMHO I would be acting accordingly to the Wishes of the Goddesses.

Namasté

reply to post by KhaliWitch


I always find it interesting how adherents to any religion lay responsibility for their actions,or inaction,at the feet of a deity they use as a justification for stepping around the embraced and espoused dogma/rules etc.

The whole "Well,I know I'm -supposed- to follow the written rule and law that I recite to others,but I think I know < insert deity > well enough to know what THEY would do,so that's what I will do.And since I'm doing it all in the name of < insert deity >,it's all good. I'm forgiven,my soul is safe and I may even have scored some points with this one etc" line of reasoning.

I have been told that all religion is corrupted..has fallen far from,and defeats now, it's own original purpose. I was told this by way of a confirmation of my own thoughts/intuition in this regard that I had shared with one far more enlightened than myself,or anyone else I have ever encountered,on the subject. I wonder,no,marvel at the proof that there are still people in this world who doggedly carry on with it despite the evidence that it(religion)was/is a house built on a cracked foundation from it's dubious beginnings that is now rapidly crumbling into dust. I suppose extreme zealotry is just the violent kicking and screaming caused by the desperate clinging to a thing that is dying that simply cannot be let go of,much akin to the shock some people suffer at the sudden loss of a loved one. The mind cannot accept the truth of what has happened and heads straight to vehement denial. However,no matter how we rail against it,it has ceased to live as we understood it to,and we are forced,in the end,to let go.

I am not here to challenge anyone or dissuade them from their belief. I merely wish to learn the way people justify themselves. Some,like me,can never in good conscience ignore a need for help and will act without considering the personal costs. Others could care less and stand idly by and watch,amused,fascinated,cold. Still others are angry and feel put upon at being forced to choose whether to help or not,and then there are those who come at a thing,any thing,from the angle of religious conviction,or lack there of.And every single one can provide justification for their way of being.

People are alien to me. More and more,I avoid going out into the world where large numbers of them tend to be and only do so out of absolute necessity..My circle of 'friends' and family is extremely small,by choice..As the conflicting energies chafe my nerves and senses raw. I feel little to no connection with humanity at large any more.There are times where I wish I was still blind,and sleeping. There is a certain comfort in being so child-like,so trusting in the intangible. The beauty and wonder I see and feel in the world is not found where others typically find it in.

These days,and for many years now,I much prefer the company of trees and stars to that of 'Man'.

IMO, good on you to have stopped it from degenerating even further, this guy was out of control and seemed to be able to understand only brute force.

There is a book called 'Manhood' from Steeve Biddulph, he is an Australian psychologist talking to extent about the position of men in today's society. He refers back to tribal cultures and their rites of initiation, as well as the role of elders in the education of young men, and many, many other subjects.

He hit the nail squarely for me, and reading his book felt like finding this guy in my brain on a camping chair drinking beer and telling me 'So, you finally made it !' Many questions were answered in there, and my knowledge deepened drastically.

I strongly recommend it.

According to a basic principle of social influence, bystanders monitor the reactions of other people in an emergency situation to see if others think that it is necessary to intervene. Since everyone is doing exactly the same thing (nothing), they all conclude from the inaction of others that help is not needed. This is an example of pluralistic ignorance or social proof.
Part of the Study.

Lance Shotland and Margaret Straw (1976) also found that peoples interpretations affect their reactions to street crime. When witnessing a man and a woman fighting, bystanders intervened 65 percent of the time when the woman yelled “Get away from me; I don’t know you,” but only 19 percent of the time when the woman yelled “Get away from me; I don’t know why I ever married you.

Bystander effect


There have been actual studies into this. Its not a MAN thing. Its a social thing. Its a MAN and WOMAN thing.

reply to post by Qouth The Raven


Blessed be.
I do not presume to know what Khali and Gaïa wish me to do, I have studied numerous texts in which they are described and have logically analyzed what it is that they represent. I act as I feel is necessary to protect those that can not protect themselves and it is My Opinion that that is what the Goddesses hold in High Regard.
Yes it is my interpretation, but as one the Goddesses stands for Life and one stands for the Protection of Innocence, I believe this is their Will.
But everyone is entitled to his/ her beliefs and/ or religion and I do not wish to impose my views on anyone else either.

Namasté

reply to post by KhaliWitch


Imagine how wonderful our life might be if we had the same amount of faith and trust in ourselves as we have in our Gods..and held ourselves in equally high esteem.

Blessed Be Those That Bless Us. Be Well~

Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
Blood On My Shirt

While walking out of a neighborhood corner store I saw a man beating his pre-teen/teen daughter. Two women stepped in and tried to calm the man down and help the girl, but as he held onto his daughter's hair he proceeded to batter these two women. As these two petite women bravely fought this large out of control man, I noticed a group of four or five men just standing there watching it unfold as if it was entertaining to them. Or maybe they were too scared to do anything.

I walked closer, and as the man threw his daughter to the ground he turned his focus solely on these women. He struck one of them so hard she hit the ground like she died. As he cocked his arm back to hit the other woman, I grabbed it and spun around his back to face him. Without hesitation he swung at me. I side stepped his blow and cracked my glass bottle of iced tea, that I just bought, over the front of his face. He fell to the ground unconscious.

The two women grabbed the young girl and left with her, I presume to the hospital or police station. As I stood there with blood on my shirt of the man I just injured, conflicting thoughts shot through my mind. On one hand, I felt alright about what happened, someone needed to stop him from beating these women further and I didn't do it out of anger but concern, but on the other hand, I felt like I just broke a promise to myself to never again intentionally hurt another being. People started to gather around and thank and praise me, including the group of men that was just watching. I wanted to ask them why they didn't do anything, but instead I just walked away in silence.

Your story sounds made up.

Originally posted by DisasterButton
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

 

This was written to spark conversation, people. OP is obviously very convincing in the post; however, I honestly believe that if such an act had taken place, it would be of media interest. You get my drift? The whole, "small town hero thwarts violent criminal"...yadayadayada. *yawn*

I understand the need for attention and OP has obviously touched people with their compelling tale of fantasy, but accepting congratulations for an albeit, courageous deed that in fact was never accomplished is, well...immoral.

Come on guys. We read fiction like this in 4th grade.

Now I see the severity of people's gullibility. No wonder MSM is winning.

Made-up stories on ATS forums!?!?! Gasp!

reply to post by GrassyKnoll


In keeping with the overall theme of the thing,what would 'you' do if faced with a similar situation as the OP described? And have you ever intervened on behalf of someone? And if so/if not,why?

There have been some interesting responses to this topic,for sure..

reply to post by Qouth The Raven


It all depends on the situation.

I would call 911 if I saw serious violence.

I would only physically intervene if a man was viciously beating on a child.

I've thankfully never witnessed such an altercation. Never had to call 911 or physically intervene. I must be sheltered from all that Yankee violence up here in Canada eh?


Besides I really get annoyed with couples who decide to have domestic altercations in public. Both parties deserve what's coming to them and I don't want to be anywhere near them...I personally think they get off on the drama...attention whores...I'll just walk my merry way and enjoy my merry life and leave the evildoers to their evil ways.

reply to post by Aeons


Gah. I think there is a name for that... can't really remember it off the top of my head but it's highly frustrating. I have no idea why they do that, or why they would want to allow someone to beat on them... weird times :/.

Glad your brother got off, how stupid they charged him. =|

I think violence should be avoided, and I think people who put themselves in those situations should be responsible for being in that situation. Sometimes the situation calls for someone to step in. If for example I Saw what the OP saw, a teenage girl getting beaten by her father and the women stepped in getting laid out.. than yes.. I would feel obliged to step in.. or if one guy/gal is getting beaten by several people.
The first response rung true for me.
It's the construction workers and kids in leather jackets with mohawks that will get up on the bus for those in need.