Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

reply to post by SigilOfLux


Haha oh dear, how ppl misunderstand the bible...... -_- ..... it's pretty sad really... but then again, i can't change your belief, but hey, a lil word of advice, don't lock yourself in a narrowminded way of seeing, it only limits your "way to heaven"

Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by SigilOfLux

 

I can't believe this is true. What if you were part of some sort of amazon forest tribe and never communicated with the outside world, you would never see a bible and not know of Jesus.

So how then, will these people get the chance to go to heaven?

Scripture makes it clear that members from ALL tribes and nations and tongues and regions throughout the history of the world will be present in His Kingdom.

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." ~ Revelation 5:9-10 KJV

*~*~Selah~*~*

reply to post by TupacShakur


I dont have enough posts yet i dont think but go to youtube and type in Joe Rogan '___'.. It will lead you to some crazy stuff..

Originally posted by BadMagician
Any individual that actively believes other souls are doomed to hell because of what they believe is not practicing true forgiveness, and is not living in God's spirit.

Yea that is absolutely correct my friend couldn't have said it better myself..

reply to post by SigilOfLux


John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Glory be to God who has redeemed those of us who believe from all unrighteousness!

Christ died on the cross so that my sins will be forgiven. His death surely not only protected those who had died before his death but also, those who would die after his death. Therefore surely I will go to heaven automatically, as will everyone because of Christ's action - otherwise why the sacrifice?

reply to post by SigilOfLux

The Lord Jesus Christ said this statement:

Conducting a debate/thread when you have only read one side of an argument is a little naive, don't you think?

On top of that - sigh, here we go again - the only book you are basing this thread on is one that was edited by Catholics, for divisive and political reasons alone. In order to forever prove this fact to the world they spent the next several centuries persecuting and massacring anyone who had an opposing viewpoint. Too bad they didn't have the WWJD wristbands then huh?

Now, I am guessing you are not Catholic? Whether you are a Catholic or not, what motivation do you have to rely this heavily on a book produced by people this evil? Go read the Upanishads. It never says the Christians are wrong. Not directly or indirectly through it's writings. But it does say that there is a spark of God inside of us and that we should listen to that small still voice of God.

I dare say, if you were busy listening to God instead of leading others astray, you would be happy to know that the truth is so much better than the heaven which you erroneously place your hopes in. Jesus was an example of what we should strive for, he was not accurately represented in the stories of a corrupted book which came three or four hundred years after he was gone.

One last tip. If you read Manly P. Hall's The Secret Teachings Of All Ages and what it says about symbolism I think you will get a whole new meaning from the Bible. Right now you are only seeing the trees.

Let those who have eyes to see... ears to hear... takes on a meaning, more than just weak allegory, all of a sudden.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

Good, don't use other bibles like the NIV etc... The roman catholic church highly corrupted them and removed loads of words etc...

I see, so this version is the "truth". Tell me, does this version include the story of a talking snake? Or does it include the one of the woman being created by some dirt and a bone? What about the story of a guy that puts two of every animal on a boat, or the guy who lives in a fish for three days? Those are my favorites.

A bible that includes those things doesn't deserve to be called truth IMO.

This version can be considered "inspired" other versions like the NIV for example cannot be.

And yes those story's are included and i see no reason to remove them because they happened.

Why can you not grasp talking snakes? If you believe in the supernatural then something like that is easy to believe could of have taken place.

Originally posted by Lynda101
Christ died on the cross so that my sins will be forgiven. His death surely not only protected those who had died before his death but also, those who would die after his death. Therefore surely I will go to heaven automatically, as will everyone because of Christ's action - otherwise why the sacrifice?

Because you need to also repent, turn from your sin and put your trust in him.

The unrighteous is unable to enter the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"

Also:

Matthew 7:22-23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Mother always told me not to trust strangers ...

That said, why should I follow this man? He has done nothing for me. Died for our sins? Doesn't look that way, many believers sin on a daily basis in the name of their oh mighty God.

I believe in God but so many religious ideas are flawed beyond belief. "thou shall not kill" and then goes on a crusade killing thousands - don't say that was in the past because it even happens today, people killing each other in the name of their God.

what a load of bull #.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

christians are ignorant. brainwashed monkeys who feel superior because of some bedtime story they were told as little chimps.

jesus preached love and forgiveness. christians practice judgement. you are not living His word if you are judging others. in fact...you will be judged for judging. "judgement is mine, sayeth the the Lord".

you take twisted and raped scriptures, apply them to your life however you feel fit (at that moment...cuz you christians waiver and flip flop all the time) and throw stones at everyone you can. "let He with no sin cast the first stone".

if i was jesus... i would've died on that cross, too. but not for your sins...so i could've gotten the hell away from your loonies!

Originally posted by David291
Mother always told me not to trust strangers ...

That said, why should I follow this man? He has done nothing for me. Died for our sins? Doesn't look that way, many believers sin on a daily basis in the name of their oh mighty God.

I believe in God but so many religious ideas are flawed beyond belief. "thou shall not kill" and then goes on a crusade killing thousands - don't say that was in the past because it even happens today, people killing each other in the name of their God.

what a load of bull #.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Your word's are not offensive they are simply not well thought out.

Jesus never killed anyone nether did he say to kill in his name sake. - Actually he even said their would be a time that people would kill in the name of God but he said these people shall not enter heaven.

He is no stranger though, you may of not known him physically since none of us were alive 2000 years ago, but we all were created in God's image and have the holy spirit inside us.

Also being a Christ follower is not a religion... Some people (like the catholics) just like to try and turn it into one.

Hope that helps.

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If christians are ignorant brainwashed monkeys, then what does that make you?

And how do you answer the fundamental questions of life, such as how was the universe made and what's our purpose and how did humans come into existence...?

reply to post by followtheevidence

. . .one must want and love the one true living God for who He is. . .

Salvation through desire? That's what it sounds like to me.
God is far away and is not here being all sharing of His personality. We are really far far way from having that sort of relationship. Joshua said that in his speech to the congregation of Israel something like, You can not serve God because he is holy and you are not. In the mean time, stay away from serving other gods.
God sent his Son who is from among us, to explain in a way understandable to us, what God was like.
What God wants from us is to become holy so we can eventually have a personal relationship with God.
There are lots of false gods who want to cozy up to us but allowing them only takes us further away from that God who keeps His distance in order to not destroy us in our wicked condition.

Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by SigilOfLux

 

I can't believe this is true. What if you were part of some sort of amazon forest tribe and never communicated with the outside world, you would never see a bible and not know of Jesus.

So how then, will these people get the chance to go to heaven?

Paul talks about that in the New Testament and it has to do with faith. Faith was accounted as righteousness to characters like Noah and Abraham before there was a written law to follow. There was something else going on outside of books and such which would be guidance by the Holy Spirit to prompt people to do things that God felt was important for them to do.
The Good News is that through the righteousness of Jesus, that same spirit is available to all because we are counted as being deserving of it by the quality of the man representing us in heaven.

Originally posted by DoomComp
reply to post by SigilOfLux

 

Haha oh dear, how ppl misunderstand the bible...... -_- ..... it's pretty sad really... but then again, i can't change your belief, but hey, a lil word of advice, don't lock yourself in a narrowminded way of seeing, it only limits your "way to heaven"

Jesus brought about the End Times which was when all the people would come to a knowledge of God. The gate is swung open wide but beyond it, the path is narrow.
There is a guide to help us to stay on that path and it is the spirit that comes from the presence of God and is available by the works of Jesus who is also in the presence of God.

Originally posted by Lynda101
Christ died on the cross so that my sins will be forgiven. His death surely not only protected those who had died before his death but also, those who would die after his death. Therefore surely I will go to heaven automatically, as will everyone because of Christ's action - otherwise why the sacrifice?

Right.
Why would Jesus have done all that?
There is a judgment at the end of the world and everyone will go to the same judgement, whether they died before or after Jesus was crucified.

reply to post by Ittabena

But it does say that there is a spark of God inside of us and that we should listen to that small still voice of God.

I have to imagine that there were some good people who were inspired to give good advice even in other than Jewish religion. To think otherwise would seem very peculiar to me and I would have to wonder about the health of such people who would hold such beliefs.
The Apocalypse and the End of the World is what Christianity is about, as a message, to me. If we do follow that still small voice and prepare ourselves for the end of this world we will be found fit to enter the next world.
Saying slogans that have no meaning will not get anyone in there. Holding people back who do not repeat those slogans will nullify that voice you are talking about, and make themselves unfit to enter.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

This version can be considered "inspired" other versions like the NIV for example cannot be.

The "inspiration" came from one King James who ordered the translators of the new English Bible to make sure it supported the doctrines of the Anglican Church.
Also as a source of "inspiration" was one Catholic humanist priest by the name of Erasmus who translated the text from the Greek and Hebrew into the modern standardized Latin used by scientists and lawyers, that the King James Version writers could easily translate into English.
Erasmus freely rewrote the text to make it sound good to his ear and added parts that he felt were missing and needed to be fixed, again according to what seemed good to him. He cherry picked all the available old manuscripts to select the versions that fit into his ideology which includes making faith to be a work of the believer in order to earn salvation.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

. . .but we all were created in God's image and have the holy spirit inside us.

This seems to be one of the tenets of the cult you belong to since I see the exact same thing coming from NotYourTypical, about everyone naturally having the Holy Spirit.
Adam was said to have, in Genesis 2, been breathed into to by the Lord in order to come to life. Since then, there was no Holy Spirit given at birth since there was already life in that person that carried on from their parents.
I am trying to figure out what devious reason there is behind this dogma of your religion. I am compiling a list of these dogma and they all are designed to make the adherents to them go to Hell.
Now here is one theory for the purpose of this lie of Satan:
If everyone is naturally endowed with the Holy Spirit, then there really was no purpose to the holy life of Jesus. Your cult already does away with the holiness of Jesus by saying that he was in fact The God all the while he was a man and so could not have been anything other than holy, being that way naturally since he was God.
Your cult nullifies Jesus almost completely other than the name, which would be necessary to have in order to retain the name of yourself, which is antichrist.