Did Humans and Dinosaurs Coexist? Yes!

Originally posted by nyk537
That's like saying how could people today know anything about George Washington or (insert historical figure here)...they were dead long before we came about.

So, what was your point about saying Josephus wrote about the life of Moses? I could do the same.....I could also write about the life of Jesus. What does that mean about anything?

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you know i have been thinking about this very thing for the last few days!! What a coincidence! Thank you!

Sorry, earlier I came to the fast conclusion that you were wrong, especially about the Earth only being 6,000 years old. I still think so, because I personally believe that although God exists, although the Bible's creation account is not to be taken literally. God could have created the earth and human life over a long period of time.

There are a lot of problems with the Earth only being 6,000 years old. A whole lot of evidence shows this to be false.

However, I do want to say that you presented a decent, well-researched case for humans and dinosaurs co-existing, even though it wasn't convincing to me because of a few flaws. Also, I think that people should keep an open mind instead of religion-bashing without knowing what they are talking about. This would involve reading the post, finding counter-arguments to it, and then supporting their arguments.

The reason I don't like religion-bashing is because it is pretty much just a fad where people become completely intolerant of religion, while pretending to praise tolerance in general, and are just downright nasty. They also, instead of thinking for themselves, tend to throw in sound-bytes of information they heard somewhere, but are probably out of context, and not fully understood, if at all, by them. This current fad is probably the most retarded one I've come across, ever. The people participating think *they* are high and mighty themselves, that everything *they* think is absolute truth, and that religion has no value whatsoever (which is patently false, it has cultural and historical value). They pretend to be critical thinkers, when in fact, their critical thinking ability is close to zero. They pretend to be tolerant and benevolent, when in fact, they are the most intolerant group in all of history towards anyone who doesn't agree with them, and can be the most vile and destructive force imaginable towards anyone who doesn't agree with them.

*sigh* (although many on this thread have done a good job presenting their views with good information!)

Originally posted by celticwarrior10
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ok just a quick few observations of my own here,of the hundreds of thousands of archaeology digs around the world no dinosaur bones have been found around or near human dwellings,of all the ancient texts and scrolls that have been found,not one and this includes the bible not one word about dinosaurs and man strolling around together and if you look at any of the cave drawings from the the beginning of man not one has them hunting a t rex,only the animals that science has proved were around at the time.

Resident archeologist here. Keep in mind that where humans are dwelling NOW is not where we have always dwelt. The earth's oceans have been slowly rising since the end of the last ice-age roughly 21,000 years ago. A possible reason you havent found any dinosaur bones with human civilizations or settlements is because theyre mostly all underwater. Anything over 12,000 B.C.E. has been swallowed by the oceans while humanity moved farther inland to higher elevations to escape the rising seas.

In fact, the true location of the garden of Eden as according to the enum-elish (Sumerian text of Creation) is actually at the bottom of the persian gulf. Underwater archeology corroborates that the earths oceans have been rising because settlements have been found at the bottom of the english channel with artifacts dating back to 12,000 B.C.E. in effect proving that England was in fact actually a western penninsula of europe at one time. My old professor in college also discovered ancient burial plots under freshwater so cold that it preserved 20,000 year old brainmatter in florida, the graves were preserved due to the rising water level.

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well i came on here to discuss the thread did man and dinosaur coexist and all i can see is a debate about religion,sort of off the point do you not agree.i asked you where you a creationist just to know where you where coming from with your thread but i was accused of insulting you. i should expect nothing less from those who close their mind to the facts.

Originally posted by Fisherr
The idea of man and dinosaurs living together sounds crazy only if you've been brainwashed into thinking the earth is billions of years old. If the world is as young as the bible says it is (about six thousand years old), then man living with dinosaurs makes perfect sense.

Those two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive, Einstein. The world is billions of years old, and humans are much older than you are told by the people who composed your beloved Bible.

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i want the people 2 least know is that carbon dating is not accurate . the proof is that one rock was cut in half and both sides were carbon dated and they both had different readings . i am not trying to anger folks just wake them up 4 ther own good ,but if it hurts know that truth hurts ,but will set u free =)

Originally posted by celticwarrior10
reply to post by nyk537

 

ok just a quick few observations of my own here,of the hundreds of thousands of archaeology digs around the world no dinosaur bones have been found around or near human dwellings,of all the ancient texts and scrolls that have been found,not one and this includes the bible not one word about dinosaurs and man strolling around together and if you look at any of the cave drawings from the the beginning of man not one has them hunting a t rex,only the animals that science has proved were around at the time.

Why do you spread this information? Is it so hard not to ?

You are simply flat out wrong and speaking out of from a belief system with absolutely no knowledge of the subject. There are both ancient cave paintings depicting dinosaurs and there are fossils like the footprints which have already been shown in this thread. Anyone with a slight hint of knowledge on the subject knows how crucial these footprints are and evolutionists are doing everything to avoid this very subject, because their argument that it's not human footprints look pretty wack to everyone with a brain.

www.genesispark.com...

I personally don't subscribe to the earth being 6,000 years old because i've seen settlements that are 15,000 years old (dated by artifacts). Once you hold in your hands artifacts created by people from 15,000 to 40,000 years ago, that whole 6,000 year thing folds up like Obama's Big Government policy is going to.

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Wrong. I am not a creationist, I am a solipsist. Get it right

Originally posted by darkbake


However, I do want to say that you presented a decent, well-researched case for humans and dinosaurs co-existing, even though it wasn't convincing to me because of a few flaws.

I don't think it is a decent, well-researched case. I think it smacks of creationist drivel and wishful thinking, ignorance of Scientific Theory and cherry-picking to bolster a feeble case.

reply to post by novastrike81


i can see you never read the best book ever written 4 it clearly states all animals were vegetarians before the flood , that would defiantly explain how we could live side by side i could go into detail but i do not feel like wasting my time when you have already closed ur mind

Originally posted by MegaplateausFlight
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i want the people 2 least know is that carbon dating is not accurate . the proof is that one rock was cut in half and both sides were carbon dated and they both had different readings . i am not trying to anger folks just wake them up 4 ther own good ,but if it hurts know that truth hurts ,but will set u free =)

edit on 16-8-2011 by MegaplateausFlight because: to wordie

The reason for that is you can't carbon date rocks, there is no carbon decay because rocks are not organic. You can carbon date things like textiles (clothing), bones, pottery, wood, animal hides, hair and even dried blood if there is enough of it left.

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And how do you know precisely how many thousand years old these artifacts truly are? One would have to have a strong scientific faith to believe carbon dating is accurate over 2000 years if at all.

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There is no (nada, nil, none, not a jot of ) evidence in the geological record to suggest a global flood as per Noah, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

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I personally believe that you have a point regarding the dating techniques, there have been many errors due to contamination by other more recent/ancient materials confusing the readings of samples.

The part of the dating process I struggle with is the assumption made by uniformitarian geology that,"the present is the key to the past". Even though this gradualistic approach is not as popular as it once was, I believe that it lingers in the thoughts of evolutionaries because it finds expression in the language that they use when supporting /defending the theory.

I was very surprised many years ago to learn that the geological column, as used by geologists and biologists alike to date fossils and locate strata was nowhere to be found, as shown, on the earth. I say surprised, infact I always doubted the existence of such a neat example, realizing that this information had to have been collected from around the globe and dated at each step of the way...I suppose I was suprised by the strong use of such a precarious tool, that would demand constant adjustments and refinement

Originally posted by MegaplateausFlight
reply to post by novastrike81

 

i can see you never read the best book ever written 4 it clearly states all animals were vegetarians before the flood , that would defiantly explain how we could live side by side i could go into detail but i do not feel like wasting my time when you have already closed ur mind

If all the animals were vegetarians then how was there no death before the Fall? Plants are living organisms and eating them would be a form of death. So you would be the one with a close mind to not see that.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by Stovokor

 

And what is your reason? Because some textbooks written by scientists with an agenda told you so? The radiometric dating system is obviously flawed, and there are countless examples of recorded history detailing dinosaurs long before they were discovered.

How do you explain those things? What reason leads you to believe them?

Scientists with an agenda.........."holy" men with an agenda..............I'll go with science. At least they try.

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How is that proof? A rock is not an organic object, thus it doesn't have C14 present in it. This means that carbon dating cannot be used to date a rock. Furthermore, even if C14 were present in rocks carbon dating still couldn't be used because it can only accurately date things up to 6,000 years old. Most rocks are older than 6,000 years. I will say it again, Hovind is a convicted fraud that not even your standard Creationists listen to. For example Answers in Genesis criticized him for "persistently us[ing] discredited or false arguments." To quote another Creationist group in regards to Hovind's claims on carbon dating, "Hovind goes on to show that he knows absolutely nothing about the science of Carbon Dating."

Originally posted by coyotepoet

The second secular source about Joshua’s long day, which was mentioned by Totten, is based on what seems to be a recently lost ancient Chinese manuscript. In 1810 Gill presents the account:

In the Chinese history27 it is reported, that in the time of their seventh emperor, Yao, the sun did not set for ten days, and that men were afraid the world would be burnt, and there were great fires at that time; and though the time of the sun’s standing still were enlarged beyond the bounds of truth, yet it seems to refer to this fact, and was manifestly about the same time; for this miracle was wrought in the year of the world 2554, which fell in the 75th, or, as some say, the 67th year of that emperor’s reign, who reigned 90 years.28

Just taking your first example re: the supposed Chinese record of the `long day`.

The Gill mentioned,to the best of my knowledge, was an English Baptist pastor and biblical scholar. (it wasn`t easy finding this out****** )

The second secular source about Joshua’s long day, which was mentioned by Totten, is based on what seems to be a recently lost ancient Chinese manuscript. In 1810 Gill presents the account:

No evidence.

Despite the solid-sounding account by Gill,manuscripts which have survived to the twentieth century do not include the long day. The first mention of the long day associated with emperor Yao was by Hübner in 1733.30 Although Hübner was quoted during that century, no manuscript exists today. Those manuscripts which have survived to this day differ from Hübner’s in at least two ways: first, there is no mention of the 10-day long day, and second, the reign of Yao is reported to be 100 years, not 90.

From the source you provided: geocentricity

All other surviving records of the same period do not mention this anomalous event.

I think the good pastor got a little bit creative.


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John Gill published An Exposition of the Old and New Testaments, in which the sense of the sacred text is given; doctrinal and practical truths are set in a plain and easy light; difficult passages explained; seeming contradictions reconciled; and whatever is material in the various readings, and the several Oriental versions, is observed. The whole illustrated by notes from the most ancient Jewish writings. By John Gill, D.D., 9 vols. fo., London, 1748-63; 9 vols. 4to, London, 1809.

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I enjoyed reading the various positions presenting in the link you gave coyotepoet

But they are to my mind more of a hodge podge of fables and tales which loosely relate to one another. I enjoyed reading them but would not hold them as anything substantive.
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