A lie told often enough becomes the truth!

Ahh, that would have been the pages where Stoneskull and neonhelmet were busy pretending to knowldge they did not have... ok, thanks.

Originally posted by uneven
Hello, *SNIP*

Uneven, the only bread crumbs are the ones your website is subsisting on. A �Johnny come lately� appearance after the only discussion (a discussion rather remote in time) regarding your site was how irrelevant it was, and the sophomoric attempt by Neon Helmet to infer some nefarious Masonic link. Theron Dunn, myself, and the rest of the ATS membership who did not post your website, and did not attempt to draw any conclusions based upon your domain name can only guess that this is some desperate gasp to draw traffic to your site. ATS must have been a shining beacon in the dark recesses in which your site resides, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. If you find the discussion environment such, that you wish to contribute, welcome to ATS. If you simply have a complaint about a past reference to you or your site, do what any real webmaster would do, and contact the administrator directly, sans drama, and any further reference to you or your website� Unless that�s what you really want.

Since many may be apathetic to the whole subject, or downright lazy, here is the most relevant post regarding our current drama.

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Also I found this link, it spooks me a bit any of you masons know this?

tgaotu.uneven.us...

Just an image but it must have been put there for a reason!
The Great Architect Of The Universe I think it stands for and isn�t that a Masonic saying for God? And it doesn�t SPOOK me I just find it weird to make and pay for a homepage with just this image, I am having some "friends" check it out I believe perhaps there is a backdoor in, but this is just speculation.

The subsequent reply to Neon Helmet's misguided attempt to obfuscate.

Originally posted by Midnight Watchman
Oh, my goodness - people here are always wanting someone else to do the work for them.

There's nothing special about that site. Here's some facts for you:

Whois reports that the domain "uneven.us" is owned by R. Yates of Martinsburg, West Virginia. The phone number and email address of this person are readily available. The site appears to be run by a music producer from the Washington, DC area. (Wait - isn't that where the Grand Lodge is!?!? Maybe you are on to something!

)

The "subdomain" tgaotu.uneven.us doesn't cost any extra money.

A quick scan of the site turns up a message board (a very unpopular one, judging by the post counts), and this forum: TGAOTU/OTO/GNOSTICS. Inside that forum is a post that the owner is creating a new domain for that topic.

And guess what the domain is? www.TGAOTU.com... !! Oooh - spooky!

A whois of that domain reveals it's the same registrant as the main site.

The above information would appear to link the domain owner with the main user, but the hometowns are different, so I hesitate to make that distinction.

It appears the site owner may also be a racist skinhead. I base this on cross-referencing the domain registration information to email addresses in Usenet posts, and finding these.

So, given your dislike of some Jews, maybe you can use that as a common ground, and just talk to the site owner about what his site is about, rather than speculating about the secret and spooky nature of his website.

p.s. Since you are now a member of ATS you can bring this up directly with the site administrator (SkepticOverlord) via u2u, or by email: [email protected]

All I got to say is "A lie told often enough becomes truth" LOL.

And as for anything else please keep amusing me and everybody else.

Thanks for the info.

Drawing traffic?
Interesting (Mirthful) to say the least- draw in bro. theron and let's just venture another traffic draw shall we?
How about the many posts referring to templar history? I suppose that because theron (and a few others) frequent Mason Defender and draw support from a commercial site therein, then what others do to draw traffic is wrong?
From one of the many quotes:

�The skull and cross-bones, are long known to have Templar and latterly Masonic connections and were commonly used as a symbol on Templar & Masonic grave sites in the past.�
"A great lady of Maraclea was loved by a Templar, A Lord of Sidon; but she died in her youth, and on the night of her burial, this wicked lover crept to the grave, dug up her body and violated it.�
Skull of Sidon . The aforementioned commercial site that has rather extensive listing of articles and books.

Kind of interesting when one considers Freemasonry makes much ado about having having a Templar degree- don't ya' think?

See how this works Mirthful- you poke at others and the stick comes back. Amazing isn't it?
Which ���sin��� is greater~ drawing visitors to a propaganda site or drawing visitors to a commercial site?

Help with with this- I can't decide. /shrug\

Hey! Fly! Welcome back old son... we missed your brand of nonsensical ramblings... how are you doing?

You act as if www.mason-defender.com... was solely a commercial site, when, in fact, it is host to one of the two best masonic forums on the internet...

MoM, hosted by our own Bill McElligott and the other is, of course The Lodgeroom hosted by Stephen DaFoe.

As for the limerick... trust you to know or make up a limerick that has nothing to do with anything, but manage at the same time to infer that it is actually relevant.

As I noted, welcome back /Shrug\

PublicGadFly - I checked out the site that you linked to - I have been there before - thanks for pointing out something that I found Relevant (for a change):

Link Quote: "Since the Church believed the Cathari to be practitioners of the Black Mass".

That is because the CATHARS WERE GNOSTICS!!!

What someone would call a "Black Mass" (which immediately produces a Mental Image of Evil & Heinous Activities) Others would call it a
"Gnostic Mass" - Which WAS the Point of the Original Latin RCC Mass before the Vatican decided to pull the wool over the Laities eyes so that the Pope could revert back to his Original Position as the Emperor of Rome in order to have Temporal Rule over the People. This has NOTHING to do with Spirituality.

Now I understand your Strategy of calling everyone a so-called "Satanist" & Generating Controversy were in Reality none exists. Very sneaky of you GadFly - BTW it doesn't work on everyone - I was onto you a LONG time ago!


BTW, the Pope had them all KILLED - what a great guy that Pope was huh!


[edit on 7-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
PublicGadFly - I checked out the site that you linked to -
< *snip*>
Now I understand your Strategy of calling everyone a so-called "Satanist" & Generating Controversy were in Reality none exists. Very sneaky of you GadFly - BTW it doesn't work on everyone - I was onto you a LONG time ago!

*side note- hiya theron

Now to Serpente- you are NOT on to (note- two words) anyone

Why is that you (Serpente) have this hang up with - satanism?(shudder)

I just don't get it (obviously)

What in the world does Gnosticism have to do with this thread?
Is it that it (Gnosticism) is """the big lie""" and you (Serpente) are trying to spread disinfo?

Where did the Cathers pop into the thread?

Black Mass?

I thought this thread died a month back and lo-and-behold I pop in and find:

skinheads,
cyber stalking,
Cathers,
Black Mass and
(of course) how to report someone to Admin.

Does any of this have to do with """a lie told . . . """?

Help me out here (Serpente), you seem wrapped up in a lot of arcane religious stuff. Put a little venom in here and let me see what drops out.

Thanks in advance for a rendition 'elite-speak.'

FYI- Gadfly is ONE word with only ONE capital letter
There is no such thing as a Gad - - Fly

First of all it is right there on the Bottom of the Page of your
"Skull of Sidon" link to templarhistory.com.

Quote: "Is it that it (Gnosticism) is """the big lie"""

Says who - you? HA! What "Big Lie" are you talking about? I have found TRUTH in Gnosticism & only LIES & Propaganda in Catholicism BTW!!! Unless you actually believe that Jesus was a White Blonde Haired Blue Eyed Dude (Ah a sucker is born every minute).

Seriously GadFly - lets get to the Point here. You are an "Anti-Mason" because you are a Fundamentalist no? You can't STAND that there are Organizations in this World that actually believe that there is Truth in ALL the RELIGIONS & accept people from all of them & treat them equally!!!!

You would rather hide under a Rock & Spew Propaganda onto the Internet
than face that Big Bad World out there.

You are really such a Pathetic Loser - it is really not funny at all!


[edit on 8-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

This thread needs to die . . . . . again.

Please, don't bring back the dead.

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Seriously GadFly - lets get to the Point here. You are an "Anti-Mason" because you are a Fundamentalist no? You can't STAND that there are Organizations in this World that actually believe that there is Truth in ALL the RELIGIONS & accept people from all of them & treat them equally!!!!

You would rather hide under a Rock & Spew Propaganda onto the Internet
than face that Big Bad World out there.

You are really such a Pathetic Loser - it is really not funny at all!

TSK, tsk~ Serpente, coil up.
"""pathetic loser""" that is deep.
Seeing as I'm a rather shallow sort I'll pass on trying to delve in the meaning or portended meaning of this.

As to being a """fundy"""~ what exactly is this?
I think I know what it means, but as can be seen by other posts (from Serpente) my understanding must be incorrect. I surely wouldn't want Serpente to be crying out (yet again) for my banning because I posted something he/she finds offensive.

So Gnosticism is the big lie, is this it?

For months and pages this thread has received opinion and statement(s) from others (apparently far less perceptive than Serpente), now we come to the expose'- Gnosticism is the big lie!

I am missing the feeling of enlightenment I should be having at the moment. Perhaps an herbal cathartic would be beneficial?

As a side note- are there any """cathars""" today?

Also, isn't it interesting how words seem to have odd similarities? Take ""cathar"" and ""cathar-tic"" That's interesting. This word meaning thing~ is this also part of the """big lie?"""
.
*as a side note, I have admitted to being a ""bigot"" if this is any help?

Quote: "Gnosticism is the Big Lie!".

Well now - you just said it again! "Gnosticism" is a "Big Lie" - in what way may I ask? What are you talking about? PLEASE make a Relevant Point!


[edit on 28-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Ah so now we get a Definition of Gnosticism from GadFly from another thread.

Quote: "differentiating the God of this world - who is identified with the Creator God of the Old Testament (Hebraic Judaism) from a higher more abstract God revealed by Jesus Christ."

There is a whole lot more to the Gnostic Teaching & Practice - but not for the Vulgar likes of you GadFly!

Long time no C, good to C that im ripping the harvest!

Greetings to stoneskull and all my supporters, have a new job now so would be able to post ALOT more in here now!

Theron, Alex and Masonic Light your best freind is back!

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Long time no C, good to C that im ripping the harvest!

Greetings to stoneskull and all my supporters, have a new job now so would be able to post ALOT more in here now!

Theron, Alex and Masonic Light your best freind is back!

Welcome back NH, best of luck with the new job!

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Theron, Alex and Masonic Light your best freind is back!

You will surely be saddened by the fact that Theron isn't on ATS anymore... Alex hasn't been posting in quite awhile either, in fact I think he swore off ATS altogether... Spent too much time getting angry. Theron, however (in my opinion) got the shaft.

Anyways, good to see you back! And good luck as well.

Seraphim Serpente

I like the way you think

g'day g'day.

good to see ya, neon.

this thread keeps on keeping on.

i had to post this picture i found recently..

bit of comic relief before we start getting stuck into it again.

Was wondering what happened to theron? Not to rub salt, just curious.

troylawson

This Thread goes everywhere....

The Mason Guilds, or construction Unions, understood how geometry works. There is a relationship between the construction of a given building, street, city, and the geometry ( Mathematical relationship) inherent in the UNiverse. This is not a secret attempt to create satan worshipers of the inhabitants, it is simply the most efficient pattern to lay out the city, or the strongest geometric shape to build the pyramid. Those relationships were guarded secrets, just like microsoft has patents on its software. It was how they protected their craft and insured their ability to make money.

Over time, as the printing press made knowledge public, and people began to teach outside the Guilds, these groups turned to other forms of commerce; shipping, banking, insurance services, etc. They protect their guild today just as they did 3000 years ago. its how they insure they make their money. Today, the guilds that remain; masons, illuminatti, etc, etc are shadows of their formers selves. They are transparent in this day and age.


The Pentagram is incredibly old, there are carvings and stone etchings that go back 5000 years or more with this symbol. It is also one of the most misunderstood. If we trace out the path that Venus traces in the sky over its 40 year transit, it forms a Pentagram in the sky. The ancient astronomers knew this, and they laid out the geometry of the Universe in their beliefs, pendants, and artforms. Mayan calendars are keyed into the transit of Venus, and have pentagrams carved into them. Many ancient cultures honor Venus in this manner, as well as rosicrucian art, as the rosy cross is a representation of the pentagram in its leaves. The church hated this, and the pentagram has been labeled as an evil every since.

The serpent, is another ancient symbol truly misunderstood. there is no ancient culture that does not have the symbol of the serpent or snake in some shape or form. The serpent represented Knowledge and Wisdom, and the search for truth. The AMA has two opposing sepents to represent its guild, the medical profession. Moses held up a brass serpent, so that all who laid eyes upon it were healed. The serpent was used to represent Knowledge to adam and eve, to tempt them. It is a lot like the Pole located outside the barber shop, red and white intertwined spirals. It means a barbershop is located inside.


I can take any building, city, construction on earth and decipher in it the geometry of the Universe. There is nothing secret, it is there because the universe is built upon the same rules from the Atom up to the galaxy. It is simple logic that anything in between would contain the same Mathematical relationships.

Frankie says relax, and enjoy your time on earth. Spend it wisely

i commend you toolmaker! nice post 8)

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