"Ron Paul won't be President" - Military Industrial Complex Spokesman on Fox

reply to post by drew1749


I agree that Run Paul will never be president, the reason is very obvious, is just that many Americans still doesn't get it, our presidents are not chosen or elected by the people, they are corporate America figure heads, we only get the choices that are given to us, so we feel that we are making a difference.

Wake up people this is been going on for decades.

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

I concur. Go rock your joint somewhere else you pathetic defeatist.

Now I'm crying

You people are really mean.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

What the hell am I suppose to do? Lie to you and tell you Ron Paul can win, just to make you feel better?


You are supposed to put the bong down for a second and get out there and help the man get elected since you agree with what he stands for. If the man doesn't get elected, it will be the fault of those of us who are informed, not informing the ignorant of what he could do for our country.
P.S. Go ahead and pick it back up in celebration when he gets elected, and know that you had a part in it.

People are really waking up. Go on any presidential candidates YouTube page and all the comments are about Ron Paul, the Bilderbergs, and military industrial complex. A lot of people see the phoniness of these politicians

Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by drew1749

 

It is time to boycot all the MSM and let them know we are boycotting them. They operate on money and ratings like it or not. Eventually they will have to start telling the truth at least in part or they will be next in the unemployment line Especially since they are more than glad to help put us there.

The problem is, if you don't watch, then you don't see their sponsors. But it really doesn't matter, this crap is being fed to us from the top not unlike the sprinkling of food in a fishbowl. Most of the fish go and gape while the flakes fall, but It's the fish who sort through what falls to the bottom that realize they're eating crap.

reply to post by Rockdisjoint
I will disagree...a little less confrontationally.

Given fair treatment by the media to all candidates, he's actually got good odds. He called everything we're dealing with now ("economic downturn", US turning against militarism mindset, etc.) long before the 2008 election run-up. In CNN, Gallup, and Rasmussen polls, he was usually around 3rd - which, as far as I can tell, means the media should more likely be dumping on all those polling behind him, like Santorum, Gingrich, Pawlenty (was), Huntsman, Johnson, and recently, Bachmann. He polls more competitively against Obama than most of the republican field.

And his numbers have been surging in the last week, just hit 14% nationally according to Gallup, putting him 3rd behind Romney and Perry.

But I'm afraid you might be right otherwise, as for some reason none of this seems like it will ever be good enough. Even as the polling numbers and fundraising keep improving, it will be the same old "inch-wide, mile-deep" support mantra, which too many gullibles might make a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Quite sad, really. I'd be amazed if the media would ever actually just report, instead of actively slanting and trying to induce specific opinions - and I'll be the first to admit they don't only do it to Paul, but it's QUITE obvious with him. It all seems quite...sinful...to me.

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

You are supposed to put the bong down for a second

I don't use drugs. For you to imply that I do use drugs is highly offensive and stupid.

get out there and help the man get elected since you agree with what he stands for.

Getting him elected is not important. Ideas change nations and society, not individuals.

If the man doesn't get elected, it will be the fault of those of us who are informed, not informing the ignorant of what he could do for our country.

If he doesn't get elected it will be because he didn't get enough votes.

reply to post by KrazyJethro
Ho, KJ - this being a conservative country, while not being a libertarian one, is very sad - since we're very much the wrong type of conservative. Too militaristic, too involved in everyone's life (wasn't the country founded on ideas of freedom and liberty? *sigh* As long as what you're doing doesn't hurt anyone else, why should they care?).

As far as the polls you mention in light of the video, I'll give a yes and no - when it's an online poll, or "here's where you go, come vote" I'll generally agree - but when they're talking about other kinds of polls done by the big pollsters, it's a different game (with its own problems, of course - who are they calling, how did they phrase the questions they're asking, how are they trying to reach people, etc..). But this last type is the more accurate, and that's where Paul's numbers are increasing while already having been competitive with the majority of the field.

And this is where the hatchet job begins. Paul's not fading away on his own, so they'll be more than glad to "help".

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by drew1749

 

I hate people like you.

That's not nice. My mom recently said she hated me too, now I'm depressed.

Everybody hates me.

"Why try the world is horrible it dun matter we cant fix anythings urrrr"

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said anything like that.

You know why nothing changes? Because people like you DONT DO ANYTHING!

What the hell am I suppose to do? Lie to you and tell you Ron Paul can win, just to make you feel better?

1. I'm sorry for you? How does it relate though? Cheer up man if you're serious.

2. That's what the attitude sounds like.

3. You're supposed to give him a chance and not be negative. Do you just not like Paul or is it because you believe the whole world is against you and nothing can be right?

reply to post by Rockdisjoint

I don't use drugs. For you to imply that I do use drugs is highly offensive and stupid.

Hey, what's wrong with drugs, or those who use them responsibly? Bad form, but not necessarily offensive - lots of great people throughout history have used drugs. In fact, I think I tend to like a good chunk of them more than the ones who don't...odd.

Getting him elected is not important. Ideas change nations and society, not individuals.

Well said, but the presidency is a MIGHTY powerful bully pulpit and has historically been a very effective platform from which to initiate big changes (remember Bush's foreign policy before election in 1999? Then remember what he did after election, and somehow convinced the whole country it was totally like, the ONLY way to be, forever?). And the president also has authority to make some big changes on his own (free the captives...end the wars...please!).

If he doesn't get elected it will be because he didn't get enough votes.

I'd say that's actually part and parcel with what you were responding to. Additionally, Bush obviously lost Florida, and hence the 2000 election...and you might have seen the article that came out a few weeks ago about the Ohio election in 2004...sometimes, even if that's how they CLAIM to be playing the game - putting aside the electoral college - even having the most votes doesn't mean you win if they can just stop the counting or flip the switches...the game is most unfair on pretty much every level, and that's why I think it's really important to put out the effort and try to reign it back in.

Be well.

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776


you obviously know nothing because you say go out and vote and make the change happen, the elections have been rigged since 2000 AT LEAST. how do you think bush and got office? would the american people really vote someone who cannot pronounce "nuclear" do you not remember the florida election that took place like three times? remember what happened to JFK? same will happen to Ron Paul unfortunately because the world is run by the almighty dollar! its a shame that a piece of paper can corrupt so many people. maybe you should pick up the bong and take some more time to elaborate.

Originally posted by Praetorius
Ho, KJ

Hi. I'm guessing you are saying hello rather than calling me some kind of slut.

this being a conservative country, while not being a libertarian one, is very sad - since we're very much the wrong type of conservative. Too militaristic, too involved in everyone's life (wasn't the country founded on ideas of freedom and liberty? *sigh* As long as what you're doing doesn't hurt anyone else, why should they care?).

I don't disagree but the biggest single problem conservatives have is Christians pure and simple. They, as far as I can tell, make up the biggest block of non-conservative conservatives I can think of by maintaining the social element while being damn moderate to socialist on the economic front (if not downright ignorant). They pay lip service to freedom until you are gay or some other kind of person they don't care for.

I also blame parents for pushing the idea that kids are incredibly important, so much so that we can slash and burn to "protect". The same is true for most things, but the kids thing is the worst form of stupid.

As far as the polls you mention in light of the video, I'll give a yes and no - when it's an online poll, or "here's where you go, come vote" I'll generally agree - but when they're talking about other kinds of polls done by the big pollsters, it's a different game (with its own problems, of course - who are they calling, how did they phrase the questions they're asking, how are they trying to reach people, etc..). But this last type is the more accurate, and that's where Paul's numbers are increasing while already having been competitive with the majority of the field.

I don't disagree. I was just pointing out that historically that is true. I'd love to see Paul win and will work to try to make it happen, but my honest assessment isn't good based on my views of humanity in general.

And this is where the hatchet job begins. Paul's not fading away on his own, so they'll be more than glad to "help".

Paul gets a hatchet job because the left hate his economic model and conservatives hate his social liberty. He's that fine breed of person that everyone just can't stand cause he wants to remove power.

Peace
KJ

reply to post by Praetorius

Hey, what's wrong with drugs, or those who use them responsibly?

Is that a serious question? There are many things wrong with drugs. Crack kills, it's that simple.

Bad form, but not necessarily offensive

It was offensive to me.

lots of great people throughout history have used drugs. In fact, I think I tend to like a good chunk of them more than the ones who don't...odd.

Indeed.

Well said, but the presidency is a MIGHTY powerful bully pulpit and has historically been a very effective platform from which to initiate big changes (remember Bush's foreign policy before election in 1999? Then remember what he did after election, and somehow convinced the whole country it was totally like, the ONLY way to be, forever?). And the president also has authority to make some big changes on his own (free the captives...end the wars...please!).

Good point and it's true, but this is completely different. The U.S is about to collapse and I don't think it would be smart to have someone like Ron Paul near the white house when this collapse happens. Everyone will just blame it on him and everything he stands for will be shunned -- after that we will turn into a communist dictatorship or something.

I'd say that's actually part and parcel with what you were responding to. Additionally, Bush obviously lost Florida, and hence the 2000 election...and you might have seen the article that came out a few weeks ago about the Ohio election in 2004...sometimes, even if that's how they CLAIM to be playing the game - putting aside the electoral college - even having the most votes doesn't mean you win if they can just stop the counting or flip the switches...the game is most unfair on pretty much every level, and that's why I think it's really important to put out the effort and try to reign it back in.

Statism also kills, which is why I won't/don't vote.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
He's simply telling the truth.

Ron Paul has zero chance of winning in 2012.

Wow. Someone among us who knows the future with complete certainty.

Give me the winning lottery numbers for next week now and then I'll believe you know what you are talking about and not simply parroting media propaganda..

reply to post by EartOccupant


Interesting.

I would like to hear more about that if you have the time.

Disinformation

Disinformation (a translation of the Russian word dezinformatsiya) is false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately with intentions of turning genuine information useless. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.

Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole.

Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims.

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The media, particularly the "right" leaning media, is really in full swing attacking Dr. Paul. It's quite evident that they're adept at the use of disinformation tactics. I'm disgusted with whole lot of them.

They hope if they repeat "he can't win" often enough, enough people will vote for one of their corporate candidates.

He can win. He must win.

reply to post by robyn

I'm not spreading disinfo or predicting the future. I'm just being honest here. Everyone I talk to irl loves and supports Ron Paul, but when ever I ask if they plan on voting for him they always respond with a no.

Either they don't like his economic views, foreign policy, social polices or something else. The support is there, but not many people have the courage to actually vote for him

Please pass this video around.

Incredible Ron Paul Video


www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by robyn

 

I'm not spreading disinfo or predicting the future. I'm just being honest here. Everyone I talk to irl loves and supports Ron Paul, but when ever I ask if they plan on voting for him they always respond with a no.

Either they don't like his economic views, foreign policy, social polices or something else. The support is there, but not many people have the courage to actually vote for him

edit on 15-8-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)

That's really odd. You didn't ask me, but I'm voting for him. And I've never heard anyone say they wouldn't vote for him, based on any reason, if they supported him.

The "he can't win" campaign is an attempt to get enough people to believe that a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. Thereby, helping to elect one of their corporate shills.

Sorry, but I believe a vote for anyone but him is a wasted vote.

reply to post by drew1749


they dont want Ron Paul cause he makes sense, but perry can work the room...please...i dont want a president that can work the room, i want i president that can fix the country....what the # is wrong with these people.