Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by Harte
Yes. And think about the millions of pounds of ceramics and stone implements they left behind. Have they disintegrated yet?
BTW, some tribes actually ruined their environments.
Harte

Resting on the ocean floor are probably whole Cities or what's left of them. Tides and currents have probably done a find job of grinding much of them up. And tsunamis and sea quakes... Not so if they're buried a few feet beneath the surface on dry land which ipretty much constitutes the majority of that's been recovered to fit a specific archaeological timetable. Once that was put in place, it didn't take much to discredit and discard anything which came along which didn't fit into it. Redating this or that. Allowing a skeleton to go missing. Screaming fraud or hoax.

So, giant remains can be found on dry land, but to find remains of unknown ancient civilizations, we have to look under the oceans?

First, show me the remains of these giants. Link to anything resembling a credible report of such a find.

Secondly, explain what these giants were doing on dry land when their folks were living where the ocean is now.

Third, you expect archaeology to know what's buried under the ocean?

Fourth, the ocean floor has always been the ocean floor, believe it or not, with a few exceptions (due to tectonics and volcanism.) The oceanic crust differs from the continental crust.

Obviously, I mean the ocean floor (not sure if that's what you meant - it is what you said) and not the continental shelf, which is also underwater.

Originally posted by CaptainLJBStill haven't found the missing link either.

For good reason. There can be no such thing. Every gap you fill creates two new gaps.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
Here's another interesting thread about the Smithsonian CoverUp which was suddenly SHUT DOWN a few years ago by one of your buddies:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I naturally rectified that situation!

Odd that the thread was never shut down. Why did you say it was?

Obviously, too few people are interested in such hooey as "giant remains" so the thread died on it's own.

The poster you referred to I've never heard of (that I can remember.)

If you ask me, even though there were only about 9 posts in that thread, that's about 11 too many concerning that inane topic.

Originally posted by CaptainLJBAmazing what typing "Hairy Man" can do to distract people from the truth. Cheap but effective.
I'm naturally too well-read on the subject matter to fall for such cheap diversionary tactics.

Sorry, but if you're well-read on that subject, then you're either a folklorist or an extremely good waster of time and oxygen.

Originally posted by CaptainLJBIf this keeps up I'm going to have to organize a raid on the Smithsonian vaults. Probably end up running head-first into you there, sitting atop a 10' skeleton typing on ATS!

Is there some reason you're calling me a liar? I told you I'm in the basement of the Vatican for God's (literally) sake!

Harte

reply to post by Harte


I've posted enough links to other websites.
I think it's about time you started reading some of them.

So we are betting all our chips on cities on the bottom of the ocean since we have nothing on land to use? If they lived without the need of anything but harmony with nature...where is the advancement?

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

I've posted enough links to other websites.
I think it's about time you started reading some of them.

Actually, you can read something about each claim at Steve Quayle's website. I don't know if you linked it or not. Frankly, I don't even check the url's when it comes to "giant" stories anymore, much less click on one.

Maybe I haven't gone to links you've posted on the subject, but I can almost guarantee you that I've been to each of the sites before (unless some are new.) And I will positively guarantee that, whatever claim is made at your referenced sites, I have read the claim in the past and found it spurious enough to use for comedy.

I've been here a while, but I hadn't joined yet when the thread you linked died. Even so, I've been here long enough to not fall for another "here's a link to giant's" trick.

Do you know how to link a pic, or do I have to infect my computer with giantism?

Please - no links to those old photoshop contest winners.

Harte

Originally posted by Xtrozero
So we are betting all our chips on cities on the bottom of the ocean since we have nothing on land to use?

I'm not betting any of the chips I have left, after that last bag got soggy when I was looking into this ocean floor thing.

Harte

Artifacts dating back at least 100,000 years unearthed in the Arabian desert might be evidence of the first step our lineage took in our march across the globe. These new findings suggest modern humans first left Africa by at least 40,000 years earlier than researchers had expected, which could rewrite our understanding of ancient sites elsewhere on the planet. Anatomically modern humans first arose about 200,000 years ago in Africa. When and how our lineage then dispersed out of Africa has long proven controversial, but past evidence had suggested an exodus along the Mediterranean Sea or Arabian coast some 60,000 years ago. Now, an ancient toolkit of stone hand axes, scrapers and perforators discovered by an international team of researchers at a site in the United Arab Emirates suggests modern humans arrived in eastern Arabia as early as 125,000 years ago.

www.livescience.com...

reply to post by Xtrozero
As well as extremely ancient and now completely erased and forgotten towns and cities that were crushed and obliterated by mega tsunamis,mega earthquakes,asteroid impacts,mile high mountains of glacial ice and super volcanic eruptions as well as other horrific natural cataclysms, hundreds of thousands and perhaps even many millions of years ago...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

As well as extremely ancient and now completely erased and forgotten towns and cities that were crushed and obliterated by mega tsunamis,mega earthquakes,asteroid impacts,mile high mountains of glacial ice and super volcanic eruptions as well as other horrific natural cataclysms, hundreds of thousands and perhaps even many millions of years ago...

edit on 11-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

My friend you say this stuff like you were there....it doesn't matter though for there is nothing to suggest that any of it ever happened. I would love to know how you gained such a conviction and reporter like attitude on something that is purely conjecture.

This is about the, I do not know, tenth time you have given a very play by play narration of these lost civilizations. How is it that you have come to this conclusion, how is it that you believe any of it true, how can you explain in detail the means they were lost over and over...


There is a point I just want to say, give me a brake on the narrations...Token did it so much better.

Lets start with something so simple...100,000 of years ago and we would have lots of proof, millions and we would have lots of proof, tens of millions and that proof would still be there but a lot less, 100 of million and we lose most of the proof...

Once again how can you suggest they were human?

reply to post by blocula

How about checking out Syrofoam or the plastic used for a Trucks bed or hundreds of other plastics or polymers or types of Nylon.

Seriously...many of the plastics we use will last for tens or even Hundreds of thousands of years.

If we can find fossils from organic life or even OIL is the byproduct of the decay of ancient plant and animal life and presure. Most Plastics are derived from petrolium products.

You can also be certain that any Concrete and Steel City that is not swallowed up by Tectonic Subduction...would definitly be encased in Sand Stone if the city was built in a desert or certain Protected Vaulted Materials would survive eons if they were stored such as the way our Modern Society has stored certain materials.

If a past race was so advanced to have landed on the Moon...and since even though there has been much Lunar surface bombardment by Asteroids and Comets...there are still areas on the Moon that have not changed much over Millions of Years due to no Atmosphere or lack of Geological Activity. If the foot prints that now exist on the Moon from the Apollo Landings were not the target of one of these collisions or at the very least not in a proximity to allow dusk kick ups to cover them...those Foot Prints in the Moons Regula will last Millions of Years.

There would be some records in many forms that would show us a High Tech. Society existed in the past.
Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity
The list i posted on page 66 shows how nothing except glass lasts for a very long time...

I doubt that atlanteans were driving cars and trucks around atlantis and even if they were,around 20,000 years ago,all their cars and trucks would have rusted,eroded,withered and turned into dust many thousands of years ago...

I remember during the 1970's,playing near an old car from the early 1930's that someone had parked and abandoned out in the woods behind my grandmothers house and even by then,in the 1970's,that cars rubber tires were completely gone,not taken off,but literally rotted away to dust,the bumpers and doors had long since rusted and fallen off,its trunk,hood and roof were all severly rusted and fallen through,its seats were completely gone except for their rusted springs,the engine was rusting badly,laying on the ground partially buried and there was small pieces of broken glass,mostly covered with dirt and leaves...

I went out there about 5 years ago,about 25 years later and took a look at that car and guess what was left of it? just a few shards and shreds of rusted metal,rust stains on the dirt and rocks,a few small pieces of broken plastic scattered around and no visible remnants of any glass at all...

In another 30 or 40 years or so,it will be as if that car was never there,like it never existed and thats from just sitting there and if it had been ripped apart,crushed and torn asunder by natural cataclysms as well as suffering from the effects of natural rot and decay,it would be very quickly annihilated and it would be absolutely gone forever,just vanished,like it was never there...

Look at this pyramids under the water



Maybe at one time a very advanced civilization leave the earth and go to another world. Maybe they come and go when they want and when there is a big change in earth like what maybe is coming in this 2012

Right, Harte. Because people play with Photoshop and make their own Giant images that Automatically means that Giants are a lot of crap. And All findings are hoaxes. You prove this second point by pointing to the Cardiff Giant and P.T. Barnum. Logically we can therefore conclude that All Giants are Hoaxes. Brilliant reasoning, my friend!

Xtrozero: You were there? From YOUR reasoning simply because we haven't experienced mega tsunamis, mega earthquakes, asteroid impacts, mile high mountains of glacial ice, super volcanic eruptions, Or Anything Earth-Shattering YESTERDAY they therefore Never Happened, Ever. Nor could they have happened. I'm not even going to mention the age-old belief in a lost continent, the sinking of Atlantis, or even continental drift. More Brilliant reasoning. And maybe the dinosaurs all died off because they thought it was a great idea at the time!
("Hey, Barney, I wanna try something new...I wanna croak!").

And maybe if this message I've typed disappears within the next year or two, It Was Never Typed!
And for that matter, maybe I don't exist either because you can't see my face!
Everything that's lost is eventually found. No rust. No decay. Just brush it off and it's as good as new!

The frigging planet is Mostly Covered With Water. As in seas. Most of that water is Deep. Things fall into it. Things being bodies of land and whatever once stood on that. They hit bottom and they're very difficult to get to. They become Lost. They stay down there a while and they Decay faster than ever. Different things decay at different rates. Look at the Titanic at just about 100 years: despite certain articles of clothing, I think that we can conclude that this ship was Never Manned because I don't see any bodies or bones! Or maybe some Internet dork did a half-assed job on hoaxing it! If Earth were mostly dry land and always had been Unchanging dry land, I mind tend to agree with you.

As for plastics. Maybe I'm the only person who can envision an advanced society without plastics. It's not that difficult. There are Many alternatives. But apparently some people believe that Plastic is the Ultimate Achievement of advanced science and a mark of a superior civilization. If you don't have plastic, you're living in a Stone-aged world. On the other hand, maybe we haven't dug deep enough to get to the good stuff yet. Assuming the good stuff isn't locked away in Harte's vaults somewhere already. Harte's ancestors have been hard at work for centuries destroying anything "demonic" which just Might be an indication of some ancient advanced society.
They took about the outer casing stones to the Great Pyramid which were engraved in ancient writings (and ground them up to construct mosques), gutted the interior and stole the capstone. But otherwise it was a bit too big to cart away. Ah, well, just call it a massive tomb to some megalomaniacal king. Yeah, that's it.

SplitInfinity: Let me get this straight. If an ancient advanced society existed it Had to land on the Moon and leave some visible trace of its existence. OK. Even assuming they made it to the Moon and didn't blast themselves back to the Stone Age through some nuclear exchange, I kinda find it hard to believe that we'd be able to detect footprints on the lunar surface from such a distance. Even with all the probes placed in orbit, I don't think they can do better than 10 cubic meter resolution, and that's assuming they've scanned the entire surface, which they haven't. And That's assuming that NASA or whomever would even Allow such info to be leaked to the public. If they can cover-up Giant skeletons and OOPArts, they can hide anything and everything they wish. And granted, the lunar surface is a near-perfect vacuum great for preserving things, it does not negate the fact that meteorites do hit the surface from time to time, leaving craters. With all the boasting the defense departments do, they can't even track people on our own planet with their sophisticated surveillance satellite networks... Maybe if the total lunar surface was a few square miles instead...

Personally, I don't understand what half of these guys are even Doing in this thread. Oh, right, I forgot, they're here to debunk it all. Probably paid to do it. OOPAarts don't exist. Anomalous remains don't exist. Underwater pyramids don't exist. Yeah, all delusional stuff. Ancient people all over the bloody planet built pyramids thousands of years ago yet never was there any contact between peoples worldwide until a few centuries ago. Right. I guess it's hardwired into their genes to build pyramids the same way squirrels build nests of leaves and sticks in trees. It's just coincidence that they all share many of the same rituals, religions and customs, too (www.bibliotecapleyades.net... just for anyone who's missed it). And the Piri Reis map and all those ancient copies of copies of seafaring maps are probably all recent forgeries.

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Where anyone of us is standing or sitting or sleeping right now,was once at the bottom of the ocean and someday,it will be that way again,thats reality...

Where anyone of us is standing or sitting or sleeping right now,was once where well over mile high mountains of ice and snow once stood and what will new york city,or boston,or moscow,or paris,or chicago,or wherever,above and below ground,look like after that millions of tons of frozen hell has advanced,crushed,grinded, obliterated and receeded again?

Unless those and other cities are annihilated by a comet impact,asteroid strike,mega tsunami,super volcano,red giant sun,mega earthquake,gamma ray burst,global atomic war,or nuclear missile strike long before the next ice age arrives and it will arrive again and again and we are all helplessly awaiting the arrival of any and all of those inevitable natural and human cataclysms and we are absolutely powerless to stop any of them from happening someday...

All that the vast majority of us can really do,is what the vast majority of us always do and will surely continue doing,ignore them,while living in denial and blissful ignorance of their brutal,encroaching upon us reality...

reply to post by blocula


Nah, change is an illusion. Nothing changes. Same continents throughout pre/history. No continental drift. Everything stays the same. And we never lose anything. We only think otherwise...which is Wrong thinking.

I've got a great new idea which I'm going to propose to the U.S. congress: If we can salvage sunken ships and submarines we don't have to build new ones. We can just clean these old wrecks up and press 'em back into service. Good as new. Just patch a few holes. I look forward to some day sailing aboard the original Titanic.

Should save billions of dollars. We can also trash all spending on archaeology since we already have all the answers we need.

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Every new generation of people thinks they are the apogee of evolution...

Every new generation of people thinks they are the be all end all of technological advancement...

Every new generation of people thinks they are the pinnacle of psychological development...

Every new generation of people thinks they are better than the people who lived before them...

Every new generation of people thinks they are immune from natural and self inflicted extinction...

And none of that is really true at all...

"Those who live without knowing what happened before they were born remain perpetually a child"

Marcus Tullius Cicero-106-BC - 43-BC

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by CaptainLJB

 

Where anyone of us is standing or sitting or sleeping right now,was once at the bottom of the ocean and someday,it will be that way again,thats reality...

Not where I am. That's reality.

Originally posted by bloculaWhere anyone of us is standing or sitting or sleeping right now,was once where well over mile high mountains of ice and snow once stood and what will new york city,or boston,or moscow,or paris,or chicago,or wherever,above and below ground,look like after that millions of tons of frozen hell has advanced,crushed,grinded, obliterated and receeded again?

Not where I am. That's reality.

Originally posted by blocula

All that the vast majority of us can really do,is what the vast majority of us always do and will surely continue doing,ignore them,while living in denial and blissful ignorance of their brutal,encroaching upon us reality...

edit on 12-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Hmmm, the irony is strong in this one.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Xtrozero: You were there? From YOUR reasoning simply because we haven't experienced mega tsunamis, mega earthquakes, asteroid impacts, mile high mountains of glacial ice, super volcanic eruptions, Or Anything Earth-Shattering YESTERDAY they therefore Never Happened, Ever. Nor could they have happened. I'm not even going to mention the age-old belief in a lost continent, the sinking of Atlantis, or even continental drift. More Brilliant reasoning. And maybe the dinosaurs all died off because they thought it was a great idea at the time!

I know all of that stuff happened and will happen again, I'm just not using it like some kind of play by play factual event for the human race.

Many species of Homos have come and gone, hell we almost didn't make it through the ice age too. We know this because our DNA is too alike for 200,000 years, so it is more like 25,000 years of divergence hence why it is suggested that only 10,000 human mating pairs lived at one time during the ice age.


Now you guys want to suggest that we were super advance over and over with everything recycling into the earth...cool...

I think were we sit is I do not see you speculating this as if we were drinking scotch and smoking cigars talking about the BIG WHAT IF.

I see you guys presenting this as the factual account to the history of the human race, and some of us say "show me the money" and all we see is humans stuck in some kind of evolutionary freeze, earth recycling everything, conspiracies holding back the little that we do get, and fringe site that are easy to disprove...

reply to post by blocula

So you are saying reminants of a Sky Scraper would not exist yet we have found intact Dinosaur Eggs that are over 100 Million Years Old...but you can not admit that there would be somethings that would survive fossilized or not from an Advanced Ancient Civilization? HA!
Split Infinity

reply to post by aorAki
No matter where anyone is on the earth upon dry land right now,most certainly was at the bottom of the ocean,sometime in the past.Theres fossilized sea shells at the top of mt everest,think about that and realize what it actually means...

reply to post by SplitInfinity
There must have been many millions of dinosaur eggs all over the earth 65,000,000 years ago.How many have we found? 50? 100? 200? and so where are they all? crushed and obliterated, destroyed and reduced to dust,thats where...