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Originally posted by IceFlower
reply to post by Tom_Proctor
You have fought the good fight - old man.
I for one am completely on board with all your points. Some cannot listen to logic.
73
Originally posted by Yukitup
Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
I read ATS almost daily, but hardly ever log in.
Can you please tell me why this comet has an crazy energy source in it that would allow 99% of hams with sub-par equipment to listen to it, but the other million comets floating in space don't posses a threat to earth with an internal energy source?
A ham!! Glad to see we're back to discussing the OP and not casting blanket "stupid" assertions against our own members and those of other forums...
Before I can begin to attempt to provide an answer to your question, a ham, I should probably seek some clarification from you.
First, a ham, please define "crazy energy source."
Second, what is the technical distinction between the 99% of "hams with sub-par equipment" and the remaining 1% of "hams with sub-par equipment?"
Third, if we were to follow Meriam-Webster's definition of "posses" as plural for posse ("A body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law"), I simply cannot understand how this plural noun fits into that already awkward syntax... Please enlighten me, a ham.
Moving on, is it the "crazy energy source" that the 99% of "hams with sub-par equipment" are listening to?
Next, which "other million comets floating in space that don't posses (?) a threat to earth" are you referring to, specifically?
Finally, please explain how the second half of that awkward syntax ("but the other million comets floating in space don't posses a threat to earth with an internal energy source") fits into the first half of that awkward syntax (it reminds me of a terrific dangling participle, but not quite.) I am not certain that you have constructed a proper sentence for me to respond to. (I suspect that you missed a "not" somewhere in there, but who knows?).
Honestly, a ham, your question befuddles me. While I will do my best to attempt to provide an answer to your query once I understand the query, please know that I am not an astrologer of any sort, and that I have not (yet) posited an opinion regarding the veracity of the OP.
All of this is made up as it goes and there's always an explanation for something that has no real scientific backing.
Seems vaguely familiar...
I still keep my statement that you cannot listen to Elenin because it's most likely not producing any radio waves
Actually, a ham, you were quite emphatic that Elenin was not producing any radio waves.
I explained my reasoning for 20 minutes/light year in a post above.
"Reasoning?" Tsk tsk tsk, a ham.
I do not disagree that the (alleged) space pilot's OP has the hallmarks of hoax. However, blind skepticism, blanket accusations, and claims made without proof bring us no closer to the truth...
Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
I'm just quoting the original from the OP on ATS. It's a simple equation there.
Originally posted by imitator
Originally posted by IceFlower
reply to post by Tom_Proctor
You have fought the good fight - old man.
I for one am completely on board with all your points. Some cannot listen to logic.
73
Those where false points, there is no logic when one dismiss radio astronomy.
That's a fact.
Originally posted by Yukitup
Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
I'm just quoting the original from the OP on ATS. It's a simple equation there.
No, a ham, it's not a "simple equation," -- it was a blatantly wrong statement (i.e.: lie). "Simple equation" -- that's rich -- sounds like a euphemism for "I only lied trying to make my debunking sound better because I didn't really read or understand what the OP was saying..."
FYI, a ham, you will not find Phage nor DJW001 "misquoting" OP's.
So what I take from this is that if this were indeed plausible to travel to Elenin within 20 minutes after exiting our orbit, we have some technology that would indeed prove John Leer right and that we do have the technology to leap. It would even become fathomable that jump rooms could exist and that Saturn is indeed a portal.
(You question this why? Why not, if it is possible to travel light years within 20 minutes, then whats not possible)
Originally posted by freepatriot
its possible its hoax but i personally interacted with the op on GLP and I felt he was genuine he did not feel like a John Titor. I knew John titor was a hoax when i first saw his threads.. I could be wrong but with what I have seen flying in the skies and what I have learned from Bob Lazar I seriously believe we have advanced tech...its really not that big of a leap once you understand the basics of the technology...
"E-class" asteroids, historically, have also shown unique reponses to reflected radar signals-- "... the most unusual feature of these observations is that all exhibit very high polarization ratios, u = 0.8 ... Values larger than zero are caused by wavelength-scale near-surface roughness and inhomogeneities and/or subsurface or multiple scattering [emphasis added] ...."
Translation: According to these recently published Arecibo radar observations -- specifically of two medium-size E-class asteroids, "44 Nysa" and "434 Hungaria" -- some of the radio waves reflected back to Earth (remember, from asteroids spectrally identical to "2867 Steins" ...) could actually be coming, not from their surfaces ... but from multiple reflections deep inside! According to these "highly polarized" radar observations, the two E-type objects are also about 20 percent more efficient at reflecting radar signals overall ... compared to any other type of asteroid!
These combined observations are thus totally consistent with E-type asteroids being a) covered with some type of highly efficient, electrically conductive "casing" and b) also being, essentially-- Hollow! In other words, the data suggest that some of the radar echos are literally returning from deep within -- "scattered" multiple times (thus, polarized ...) by countless reflections between the flat, geometrically-spaced walls of innumerable interior corridors and rooms! Based on the preceeding Earth-based visual and radar observations of these E-class objects -- combined with Rosetta's history-making fly-by of the first example seen in close proximity -- Steins could, indeed, now be the best-known representative of a totally new class of solar system "object"-- One of only a few dozen "E-type" ancient space platforms ... still orbiting the Sun ....
www.enterprisemission.com...
Originally posted by freepatriot
reply to post by Tom_Proctor
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for the love of god the orginal op of which this THREAD is based on NEVER SAID THAT IN THE GLP FORUM. WOW
Originally posted by RedGod
Originally posted by freepatriot
its possible its hoax but i personally interacted with the op on GLP and I felt he was genuine he did not feel like a John Titor. I knew John titor was a hoax when i first saw his threads.. I could be wrong but with what I have seen flying in the skies and what I have learned from Bob Lazar I seriously believe we have advanced tech...its really not that big of a leap once you understand the basics of the technology...
It's not the tech I doubt, it's the story.
Say I came out and said "Ford deliberately put faulty throttle cables in their Yaris to test the company's response to such events. I worked in the factory, that's how I know." (Ignore the fact that a company out for profit wouldn't do that.)
Since we know that Toyota, not Ford, makes the Yaris, you would probably reach the conclusion that I have never worked in a factory that builds Yaris, and most likely hoaxed the whole thing up.
Originally posted by wastedownYou seem very well put together by your posts and I use ATS as a learning tool to explore the world around me and take in what I can learn from others, and am very interested in learning more about this subject... Please do not take my post as an attack on you or your post I am truly asking a question... How can you know for a fact that it has no power source?
Originally posted by misfitofscience
reply to post by masterp
The intentions of this thread were to not say that I believe or that I wish to believe, but to actually understand that Elenin is something other than a comet/asteroid, or not, or to debunk the people that start these covert richard hoagland loving forums of finally own up to the fact that their theory is truth.
The one way we can do this is through this so called HAM radio, if people get out there and are able to do this HAM broadcasting and surveying, and nothing bounces back or no one picks up any feeds than we know its bogus and thus we can collectively report the data back to the original creators of this Elenin thread and either praise this chap or outright shove it in his face that he was debunked and a liar.
It could be a great way for The ATS collective to put on our thinking caps and work together to figure out a way to put the wheels into motion and setup the equipment do the studies, scans, recordings, and promote the data back to the ATS collective. The outcome will be the same, either we shame or praise someone, but the truth will also be known.
ELENIN FORUM~Let's get an ELENIN forum started!
Originally posted by Enlightenme1111
Well, I hate to raid on the parade, but I found a glaring inconsistency that may indicate it's a hoax.
In the article from GLP,
whats your opinion op on the all the ex nasa employee's spilling the beens on everything they know since they are all getting canned?
NASA is just a front for the public. their budget is miniscule. not enough money to really do anything but put a few probes in our solar system. The real space program falls in the military's domain, mainly airforce and navy. but the nice chemical rockets sure are fun to watch. as far as NASA spilling any beans. very few people from nasa are actually in the loop. they don't know anything to spill
Then later,
OP do other nations of earth have a Space Command, or is US alone in this ability?
ok i'm not privy to all of this, but obviously from working in this field i will tell you what I have seen. yes and yes. some other guys are up there, the usual suspects, but so far we see they are only sporting conventional or just a bit more advanced than conventional NASA type tech.
So, at the start of the story, he claims NASA doesn't have anything near the technology the military does, and then later he claims that others are up there, with tech. just a bit more advanced than NASA.
Well, which is it?
Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
It's a hoax
It has been from the beginning. Like said in another post, someone with knowledge and security clearance of this kind of technology, spewing it on boards like ATS and GLP, would be a goner.