Something R-Frequency and E-Class this way comes!

Originally posted by freepatriot
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

 

the original op never said that..but since your too proud of yourself and wouldn't dare go to GLP to check you will never know. i spoke to the op in the original thread and he did not say he traveled light years to Elenin. it seems you are hell bent on discrediting the original op..

I just explained my reasoning. It was just simple math. Once again

20 minutes traveled = Light Years
20 minutes to Elenin = We assume 20 minutes equals light years from the equation above, so Elenin = light years away.

I am banned from GLP for exposing Trinitys money making fraud/scam machine but lets not go into that on ATS

Originally posted by DJW001
So... why is this top secret space sailor posting on GLP again? Considering that revealing the existence of these starships would easily meet the definition of treason, he must have a very powerful motive. Seems to me, he would have made a point by now. Also seems to me he would have forwarded the relevant material to WikiLeaks to protect his anonymity. His masters have probably traced his IPP and thrown him in the brig by now. (Oh, wait! That explains why we'll never hear from him again!)

Hoaxers always pitch to the converted. GLP is filled with people who want to believe that their Tesla-driven anti-gravity ships are real. They will be quick to ask him questions like: "Have you met any aliens?" "What's the furthest planet you've explored?" They will also be very slow to ask questions like: "What's your pay grade?" "Where did you go to flight school?" "What ship were you a mid-shipman on?" "Where did it patrol?" "Which fleet was that?" Something tells me this space sailor would be very quick to answer a question like: "If you were 250 light years away from Earth, how did you communicate?" Obvious answer: "Quantum entanglement modulation." Three simple words that won't invite questions about engineering details. On the other hand, a question like "Annapolis or NROTC?" would get the chatroom equivalent of a blank stare.

As has been pointed out, this has all the classic earmarks of a hoax. Just enough plausible techno-babble to sell the fiction. Recommended reading:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

did you ever think that maybe thats why someone with something to spill would rather post in a forum such a GLP or ATS because people on these forums have an open mind.. how do you think most posts here on ATS would fare in CNN forum? especially the 911 ones... GLP is a medium the op used because people there tend to have more of an open mind... yes this can be a double edge sword people there more then here swallow allot of garbage.. that does not mean the op is a hoax... there is evidence that we have this technology there is evidence that we have a Navy Space Command just look at the threads here on ats about it.. if you look at the question and answers the op did a good job.. Have you seen the entire original thread?

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor

Originally posted by freepatriot
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

 

the original op never said that..but since your too proud of yourself and wouldn't dare go to GLP to check you will never know. i spoke to the op in the original thread and he did not say he traveled light years to Elenin. it seems you are hell bent on discrediting the original op..

I just explained my reasoning. It was just simple math. Once again

20 minutes traveled = Light Years
20 minutes to Elenin = We assume 20 minutes equals light years from the equation above, so Elenin = light years away.

I am banned from GLP for exposing Trinitys money making fraud/scam machine but lets not go into that on ATS

you wont see the original thread therefore you won't know what the op said ... I am telling you the op never said that in the original GLP thread. if he made a mistake like that he would be a hoaxer all day long and i would be the first one to admit but he DID NOT SAY THIS

Originally posted by freepatriot

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor

Originally posted by freepatriot
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

 

the original op never said that..but since your too proud of yourself and wouldn't dare go to GLP to check you will never know. i spoke to the op in the original thread and he did not say he traveled light years to Elenin. it seems you are hell bent on discrediting the original op..

I just explained my reasoning. It was just simple math. Once again

20 minutes traveled = Light Years
20 minutes to Elenin = We assume 20 minutes equals light years from the equation above, so Elenin = light years away.

I am banned from GLP for exposing Trinitys money making fraud/scam machine but lets not go into that on ATS

you wont see the original thread therefore you won't know what the op said ... I am telling you the op never said that in the original GLP thread. if he made a mistake like he would be hoaxer all day long and i would be the first one to admit but he DID NOT SAY THIS

I'm just quoting the original from the OP on ATS. It's a simple equation there.

Is this guying saying that Elenin is some kind of advanced space craft? If so, why is it taking so long to get here? He says that we have craft that can reach it in 20 minutes, but it's taking Elenin years to get here? Or is he not saying that it is an intelligently controlled advanced space craft?

Or is it possible that Elenin is an artificial space probe sent out by our ancestors ages ago before they were wiped out by some catastrophic event, and now it is returning?

reply to post by Tom_Proctor

You'd never detect them on earth.

You would and can, Radio telescopes.

Hams detecting them with their equipment, near impossible.

Hard yes but not impossible with the right equipment.

ALS

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was the original thread on ATS or GLP????

Originally posted by Hydroman
Is this guying saying that Elenin is some kind of advanced space craft? If so, why is it taking so long to get here? He says that we have craft that can reach it in 20 minutes, but it's taking Elenin years to get here? Or is he not saying that it is an intelligently controlled advanced space craft?

I think they called it a e class celestial object flat in shape somewhat...

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the original op never said it was a spacecraft just an e type asteroid.. he gave us hints here and there but never said anything about it being a spacecraft .

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No he's saying that Elenin is an E-class comet/asteroid that will be sending us a message about our past. Atleast thats what I gathered. The advanced crafts (he states) are owned by us.

ALS

Or is it possible that Elenin is an artificial space probe sent out by our ancestors ages ago before they were wiped out by some catastrophic event, and now it is returning?

Pretty much what I got out of it.

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You have fought the good fight - old man.

I for one am completely on board with all your points. Some cannot listen to logic.

73

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

 

You'd never detect them on earth.

You would and can, Radio telescopes.

Hams detecting them with their equipment, near impossible.

Hard yes but not impossible with the right equipment.

ALS

VHF and Higher. Once you get into the HF spectrum, radio waves start not entering and leaving earth. Most of these radio telescopes work in the GHz range which means the radio waves are less than an inch wide/apart, not miles. Miles across is like ELF, Schumann resonance type stuff.

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what may be logic for some is ignorance for others..

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on ATS. I'm a ham and this is just plain stupid in every respect. HF does not enter or leave our atmosphere which is why long distance communications with HF are possible, it skips around the Earth. VHF is used by ISS/Space Shuttle/Amateur Satellites because it makes it through the atmosphere.

Telling ham radio operators to listen? To what? Do you know how many frequencies are out there? Infinite. Hams communicate from KHz (ELF) to THz (Light). Not to mention 99% of hams don't have the equipment required to listen to something that small, and ELENIN DOES NOT GIVE OFF RADIO WAVES AS IT HAS NO 'KNOWN' ENERGY SOURCE! I do then wonder what will be made up to say it has an energy source of some sort. There is no way to listen to Elenin.

Also, traveling light years to Elenin when it's not even 1/32 of a light year away? That makes a lot of sense! Our voyager crafts way past pluto soon leaving our entire solar system aren't even CLOSE to 1 light year away.

When you know what you're talking about, it's so easy to debunk 90% of conspiracy theories and stupid OP's like this. It reads as if a 13 year old wrote it and whatever the "Q&A" was.

edit on 8/15/2011 by Tom_Proctor because: (no reason given)

You know this bugged me too. Until I read one of the links. Elenin doesn't have any energy source. However it's apparently crystalline in nature. With some interesting properties.
It's a stretch but it's not totally impossible that it can act as receiver and concentrate signals from space. Sort of in the way a satellite dish does.
Personally I don't see what we'd pick up from there. And if we did pick something up would we understand what it was in any case. Probably a load of hooey since it's from GLP.

The sad part is, considering everything that has been said about Elenin, the fact that it may be a message of some sorts is the only reasonable theory (other than it's just a comet).

This all seems like the the way the purveyors of inside jokes behave, where nearly everybody is audience but maybe only two or three know anything about subject matter or content, and the audience is scoffed at as idiots.


Even with the 'special few' in posession of some extraordinary information, this whole thing is all..... he said, she said. Too much cryptic talk and suggested enuendo, and always the plausible possibility. Well your audience here is becoming jaded to your claims/ imaginations/fabrications and might remind you of the recent hoopla of 3-8-11, and the bunk it turned out to be.

Originally posted by freepatriot
reply to post by IceFlower

 

what may be logic for some is ignorance for others..

You know, I would hope that you make all necessary apologies to those you have insulted when this is appropriately moved to the a more proper forum - Grey Area, SkunkWorks or HOAX.

This does not belong in Space Exploration, and yes, that's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
I read ATS almost daily, but hardly ever log in.

Can you please tell me why this comet has an crazy energy source in it that would allow 99% of hams with sub-par equipment to listen to it, but the other million comets floating in space don't posses a threat to earth with an internal energy source?

A ham!! Glad to see we're back to discussing the OP and not casting blanket "stupid" assertions against our own members and those of other forums...

Before I can begin to attempt to provide an answer to your question, a ham, I should probably seek some clarification from you.

First, a ham, please define "crazy energy source."

Second, what is the technical distinction between the 99% of "hams with sub-par equipment" and the remaining 1% of "hams with sub-par equipment?"

Third, if we were to follow Meriam-Webster's definition of "posses" as plural for posse ("A body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law"), I simply cannot understand how this plural noun fits into that already awkward syntax... Please enlighten me, a ham.

Moving on, is it the "crazy energy source" that the 99% of "hams with sub-par equipment" are listening to?

Next, which "other million comets floating in space that don't posses (?) a threat to earth" are you referring to, specifically?

Finally, please explain how the second half of that awkward syntax ("but the other million comets floating in space don't posses a threat to earth with an internal energy source") fits into the first half of that awkward syntax (it reminds me of a terrific dangling participle, but not quite.) I am not certain that you have constructed a proper sentence for me to respond to. (I suspect that you missed a "not" somewhere in there, but who knows?).

Honestly, a ham, your question befuddles me. While I will do my best to attempt to provide an answer to your query once I understand the query, please know that I am not an astrologer of any sort, and that I have not (yet) posited an opinion regarding the veracity of the OP.

All of this is made up as it goes and there's always an explanation for something that has no real scientific backing.

Seems vaguely familiar...

I still keep my statement that you cannot listen to Elenin because it's most likely not producing any radio waves

Actually, a ham, you were quite emphatic that Elenin was not producing any radio waves.

I explained my reasoning for 20 minutes/light year in a post above.

"Reasoning?" Tsk tsk tsk, a ham.

I do not disagree that the (alleged) space pilot's OP has the hallmarks of hoax. However, blind skepticism, blanket accusations, and claims made without proof bring us no closer to the truth...

Stick around while the Clown who is sick does the trick of disaster...........

Originally posted by grey580

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on ATS. I'm a ham and this is just plain stupid in every respect. HF does not enter or leave our atmosphere which is why long distance communications with HF are possible, it skips around the Earth. VHF is used by ISS/Space Shuttle/Amateur Satellites because it makes it through the atmosphere.

Telling ham radio operators to listen? To what? Do you know how many frequencies are out there? Infinite. Hams communicate from KHz (ELF) to THz (Light). Not to mention 99% of hams don't have the equipment required to listen to something that small, and ELENIN DOES NOT GIVE OFF RADIO WAVES AS IT HAS NO 'KNOWN' ENERGY SOURCE! I do then wonder what will be made up to say it has an energy source of some sort. There is no way to listen to Elenin.

Also, traveling light years to Elenin when it's not even 1/32 of a light year away? That makes a lot of sense! Our voyager crafts way past pluto soon leaving our entire solar system aren't even CLOSE to 1 light year away.

When you know what you're talking about, it's so easy to debunk 90% of conspiracy theories and stupid OP's like this. It reads as if a 13 year old wrote it and whatever the "Q&A" was.

edit on 8/15/2011 by Tom_Proctor because: (no reason given)

You know this bugged me too. Until I read one of the links. Elenin doesn't have any energy source. However it's apparently crystalline in nature. With some interesting properties.
It's a stretch but it's not totally impossible that it can act as receiver and concentrate signals from space. Sort of in the way a satellite dish does.
Personally I don't see what we'd pick up from there. And if we did pick something up would we understand what it was in any case. Probably a load of hooey since it's from GLP.

Well, if we did pick something up, it'd probably be in a universal language. The laws of physics don't (that we know of) change throughout our observable universe. Math doesn't change. If you add one apple, and another apple, that's two apples. Kind of like the movie "Contact", using prime numbers.