Satan and Eve

Originally posted by Ashlar
why is adam a jerk because he rejected lillith attempt at dominance.

lillith did not want equality she wanted dominance. the same thing that women today want

lillith wanted dominance so much that she threw away her morality/ ie became evil.

but i dont even believe that lillith existed, just a fable for satanist really

they same could be said of adam.......and I believe that it kind of indicates that he desired the position first.
I think were we have gone wrong all along has been in the idea one should be dominating the other.
Maybe this was the original sin? Since, it would require one to accept the other as "lord", and unthroning God in their heart.

Females are incaplable of loving their husbands and boyfriends.
The man loves his children, He loves his wife. But the wife/girlfriend only loves her seeds aka children but not her husband or boyfriend.
The women purpose is to desire dominate males, she keeps on moving up the ladder to satisfie her self gene's of mating with the strongest but she is totally loveless. The reason why is the woman's moral plain of understanding is not their. This why she most likely commited adultery with satan.

That is what i see in women of today. All they do is file for divorce/dump their boyfriends ect.

Groupies:

Consider the sources when you discuss sexism in literature.

Most of the blatant sexist attitudes found in the "bible" are the result of the fact that, well...Middle Eastern Males were the ones who wrote and edited all the documents in question....and the laws of the Torah for example, favour the Males, naturally.

Remember always to ..."Consider the Source"...!!!!!!

The Dead Sea Scrolls (BC 167 to AD68) records many heinous examples of how women are basically blamed for everything evil, especially in a sexual context, sort of like the eternal keepers of Pandora's box, especially all the commentaries on the "fallen Angels" in the Books of Henoch and the Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs and the Book of Jubilees (aka the Testament of Moses) where "women" are the ones who were seduced and impregnated by these spirit creatures to produce "giants" who eat up all the food in a very non-kosher fashion ("they even ate the meat with the blood!"). And there are a number of anti-Female sexist Wisdom Proverb Collections that were kept by these people (e.g. "The Scroll of the Book of the Snares and Wiles of Women" etc.)

Perhaps it should not be very surprising that the garden of Q'eden stories in Bere#h ("genesis") lay down the ground rules for Israelite society that women are basically weak in the head (physically and spiritually corrupted) when it comes to being tricked and seduced by invisible entities and capable of introducing "sin" permanently into the world.

And it is clear that "Sexism" is highly rampant in the texts of the Torah placed into the mouth of "Moses" if you take the time to read all the versions out there with an un-prejudiced mind...

It is also clear that sexist-males wrote these Torah laws to benefit other males, with nary a thought for the rights of women.

Yet people in the West still read this vomit as �the word of god��to live by!

This Torah Sexism of course is highly reflective of the ancient middle east (the Jews were very similar to their �pagan� Canaanite neighbours who had nearly exact laws protecting the rights of males only, see the Babylonian Law Code of Hammurabi, from 1756BC, written 400 years before the supposed time of Moses) and is also reflective of the larger male dominated Indo-European �chauvinistic�society in which the writers of the Torah found themselves (which, by the way, is no excuse for them).

But don't be fooled: no �god� (clan god or otherwise) was responsible for any of this sexist rubbish--- which by the way is utterly NON RELEVANT today in the West, who has made some attempts over the past 100 years to see women as human beings with rights of their own, even granting them the vote, and elected office.

But religion doesn't like all these changes, apparenly, especially the orthodox varieties: So even today in socalled "Jewish orthodox" synagogues, women are excluded from prayers with men and must be upstairs with the children penned off as it were like cattle (Chattel?)�

The most respected of the Rebbes even before Israel was ground to powder by the Kittim (Romans) in AD 70 argued along these silly lines:
:ONLY MAN (ADAM) HAS A NEPHESH (SOUL) BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN IN BERE#H (GENESIS) :

[YHWH] BREATHED INTO ADAM�S (AND ONLY ADAM�S) NOSTRILS THE �BREATH OF LIFE: AND ADAM BECAME A LIVING SOUL�:
BUT [YHWH] DID NOT BREATHE INTO HAYAAH (EVE) THE BREATH OF LIFE BUT WAS CREATED OUT OF ADAM�S FLESH�THEREFORE WOMEN ARE �NOT WORTHY OF THE LIFE� SINCE THEY HAVE NO SOULS AND THEREFORE HAVE NO EXISTENCE IN THE AFTERLIFE BUT FEMALES , WHO WERE PRONE TO DAEMONIC INFLUENCES AND WERE THE FIRST ONES TO BE SEDUCED BY THE FALLEN ANGELS, GO THE WAY OF THE GOYIM [GENTILES WHO ALSO HAVE NO SOULS]�

Even the final Logion in the so-called Coptic Gospel of Thomas (found at Nag Hammadi in Egyt in 1945) has R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean (�Jeezuzzz�) reflecting this Rabinnic idea of Soul-less Females:
�114: And the disciples say to him, Rabbi, send away this Woman from us, for it is written: �Women are Not Worthy to inherit [eternal] Life��
But Yeshua said, Let [Miryam] her be taught as well, so that she might also become male resembling you males, and also like you, to become a Living Soul, worthy of [eternal] Life [to enter into the Kingdom]: for Amen I say unto you, that unless a Woman first become a Male [with a Soul] she shall not enter into the Kingdom of my Father��

There is also the command of R. Yehoshua to pray three times a day in the Gospel of Thomas where it is stated: Rabbi, how shall we pray? And he said to them, First, always pray in a place where there is no woman....and when ye pray, pray according to this wise...Our father in heaven.... etc.

Hmmmmm....but this clause was apparently taken out of the New Testament Greek texts (for whatever reason.)

We all know the Canaanite story of LililituLilith) who was forcibly removed from �Qeden for having a domineering attitude towards Adam in the Rabinnic literature

Here is some other Torah-based sexism: (so much for the god of the Jews being relevant today!)

Genesis 3:16 : all women must suffer torture during child birth due to Eve being seduced by the Serpent and eating the fruit of the socalled Tree of Knowing.
The verse finishes by saying a husband shall �rule� over his female, as if it were some kind of divine law.
Genesis 19:8 where Lot freely offers his own �virgin daughters� to a crowd of drunk and disorderly bi-sexual rapists instead of his guests as sex toys.
Later we read that this �righteous� Lot , having gotten very drunk, has sex with his own daughters and impregnantes them after YHWH turned his wife into a pillar of salt for disobeying the command of �not looking back�
Genesis 38:16-24 Judah , living with his own widowed daughter in law who was still grieving and wearing the veils of mourning, thinking her a �whore� raped her causing her to flee the city.

According to the myth, when Judah sees the poor widow again he demanded she be burned for being a prostitute It wasn�t until Judah recognized her as his daughter in law ( and pregnant with his own child) that he decided not to have her executed.

Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master he can not leave servant-hood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master

Exodus 21:7 YHWH not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out exacting laws on how this should be done and what to charge for it.

Exodus 21:10 YHWH ordains men to take several wives and sets up strict laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

Leviticus 12:1-8 A woman has to be �ritually purified�after giving birth because she is �ritually unclean� by the act of giving birth: apparently birthing a �male� is some how ritually cleaner then birthing a female, which is why a mother must purify TWICE as long after birthing a daughter than birthing a son. Tells you something about their mindset.

Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched. It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that �YHWH� claims to have created in the first place

Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then �violently flog� her, as if it were �her fault� yet curiously, the man goes completely unpunished, according to YHWH.

Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of cohenim (priests) must be burnt to death. What about his unchaste sons? Clearly, the woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

Leviticus 27:3-7 YHWH clearly places a clear shekel (�dollar�) value on human life; with women worth far less in Jewish shekels than men are worth.

So "saith YHWH" in the Torah, anyway.

Numbers 30:3-16 A woman has no legal right to make a vow unless her husband permits it.

Numbers 31: 14-18 Moses tells his men the virgin women captives of the Midianites are kept �alive� for raping. YHWH later states that Israelites can not marry a Midianite woman (with exception of Moses who married a Midianitess).

Deuteronomy 20:13-15 �Exterminate all the men and boys in the cities that YHWH �delivers into your hands,� �but keep the women alive for raping.�

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then you are free take her home and �rape her.�

Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that put on men�s clothing are an �to�qebah� (ritually abominable) unto YHWH your god�

Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women are cautioned to keep the tokens (bloody wedding night sheets) of their �virginity� in a safe place. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are being forcibly raped yet somehow fail to �cry out loud� for help in a populated area are most likely enjoying the sex and should be stoned as a whore.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must purchase his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Is this supposed to be some type of retribution? What about the female victim ---who might not necessarily want to marry the man who raped her in the first place? All that matters is her father receives payment for his �property�.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that a woman�s hand must be cut off if she touches the �genitals� of a man fighting with her husband��And let not thine eye pity her.�

All of this is placed into the mouth of Moses (in between the times when he was busy making pagan bronze snake idols and putting them up on poles for the Israelites to worship in the desert)...

And we're supposed to believe all of this sexist junk has any relevance to us in the 21st century West?

Adam and Eve are not Literal Figures, the bible on several occasions expresses this. They are metaphors, as is the story itself.

The snake, is an interesting symbol. It is one of the most ancient symbols, crossing into almost every early culture on earth. The Snake symbolizes knowledge and Medicine. When the israelites were stricken with the bites of poisionous snakes, Moses raised a Brass serpent and whoever gazed upon it was healed. Two intertwining snakes are the symbol of the American Medical Association.
Australian Aborigines speak of the rainbow serpent, the Mayan revered the plumed serpent, the american indian knew the snake, as did hundreds of cultures that existed on earth. They all signify wisdom, knowledge, and medicine.

Eve had relations with the snake. She gained knowledge, had sex, whatever we wish to call it. Eve became a Powerfull Human Being. she took into herself knowledge and Power to see right from wrong and more importantly the ability to decide Truth and thus Build upon knowledge. Eve symbolizes the great Matriarchal Cultures that existed thousands of years ago.


We know that the great agrarian cultures that existed tens of thousands of years ago were more matriarchal than anything existing today. Sumer was the last great Matriarchal society, women ran much of the businesses, bars, the midwife guilds, etc.
As Greece came into being, the first great patriachal culture, came the end of the agrarian cultures. It was organized along military lines, and thus relied on physical strength instead of the skilled agricultural needs.

The story of Adam and Eve is this change, in metaphors. from Matriarchal systems, to Patriachal systems. It is i believe, a step down. Humanity is far better off under a Matriachal system, as opposed to waging war. we are paying the price for ignorance, and inability to see the truth.

Despite Amadeus' eloquent and compelling points about the misogyny inherent to the Torah, it is interesting that in Genesis the first human to gain knowledge was nonetheless a woman, and that all mankind gained knowledge through her.

However negatively pitched the idea may be, it is still significant.

I agree with toolmaker that Genesis was allegory, and was most likely intended to be read as such. But you never know.

One thing is certain: it was not an eyewitness account.

Originally posted by Thinker
I bet you arabs are decentants of the snake.

That is a very dumb statement

Originally posted by DaTruth

Originally posted by Thinker
I bet you arabs are decentants of the snake.

That is a very dumb statement

indeed it is. thinker is 100% brainwashed lemming for israel. and he calls himself a thinker.

think, thinker. the arabs are decendents of ishmael and the jews are the decendents of isaac (or so they claim). the two are brothers.

that means that if the arabs are decendents of the snake than your beloved master race "the chosen people" are also decendents of the same snake, you twit

Originally posted by Ashlar

Originally posted by DaTruth

Originally posted by Thinker
I bet you arabs are decentants of the snake.

That is a very dumb statement

indeed it is. thinker is 100% brainwashed lemming for israel. and he calls himself a thinker.

think, thinker. the arabs are decendents of ishmael and the jews are the decendents of isaac (or so they claim). the two are brothers.

that means that if the arabs are decendents of the snake than your beloved master race "the chosen people" are also decendents of the same snake, you twit

ummm.......they had different mothers, so this might not actually be true...although, there was a flood that susposedly wiped out all but one familly---Noah, which would have reduced the chance of both genelines surviving as well as one remaining free from being contaiminated from the other.
I tend to believe that the adam and eve story is probably one of the earliest examples of propaganda that exists. The tree of life symbolizes the goddess, which this newly formed religion intended to block the masses from worshipping. The snake symbolizes wisdom, herbalism, the kundalini or whatever they call it. Before there was a god, there was a goddess, and archeology will support that claim. Even today, in many European Churches you can find symbols of her. The women then were allmost treated as magical beings, they could create life (and at that time, men really had no idea how). Well, once they figured out just what was going on, women's magical poweer began to wane. Men became interested in the role he played in the creation of that child. He wanted to know who his child was. So, the solution they found was to dethrone the goddess and debase women's position to a position of servant, controlled by her mate. Thus, with such controls in place, they could play a role in the raising and nuturing of their own children, ancestral lines could be paternally tracked, and wealth could be passed through the generations.

the tree of life clearly symbolizes jesus, who is the way the truth and the life. whosoever believes upon him shall have eternal life, just as anyone who ate the fruit of the tree (aka belived upon christ/god) instead of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (satan) of which if thou eats they will surely die. (satan started off the deception by stating they would not die)

no where in the bible is there a reference to a mother goddess (no not even virgin mary) , so scratch that out.

its not metaphorical although it has metaphors in it, as adam has a genealogy in the bible as well as specific year lived (930).

Originally posted by NuTroll
the tree of life clearly symbolizes jesus, who is the way the truth and the life. whosoever believes upon him shall have eternal life, just as anyone who ate the fruit of the tree (aka belived upon christ/god) instead of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (satan) of which if thou eats they will surely die. (satan started off the deception by stating they would not die)

no where in the bible is there a reference to a mother goddess (no not even virgin mary) , so scratch that out.

its not metaphorical although it has metaphors in it, as adam has a genealogy in the bible as well as specific year lived (930).

well, sorry, but, according to the archeologists, the earliest symbols of divinity seem to be of a goddess.........which to me, would mean that the people back then PERCEIVED the devine force as feminine in nature. and in many other traditions, one of the symbols of that goddess was a tree....thus the obliteration of so many groves by the early isrealites....
And, well, some claim that the holy spirit is the femine aspect of god. according to the myth, god blocked access to the tree of life after man fell from his grace. If that tree symbolized Christ, well when was that tree unblocked, since David referred to the Christ, so Christ wasn't blocked then.. But, it wasn't until Christ came, and died on the cross that the holy spirit (the goddess) was returned to us!!

Hi NuTroll:

The "mother goddess" in Hebrew lore had been deliberately suppressed/knifed out by the post Exilic redactor-scribes in the Tanakh (cf: Ezra around 430BC) who compiled what you read today in the Hebrew OT to make YHWH (and "YHWH alone!") the official clan god of post Exilic Judaea.
Bye Bye Goddesses....or maybe not...! read on:

But we DO in fact see some hints of mother goddesses or at any rate of wisdom goddesses here and there in some of the texts, e.g. the figure of the ancient preJewish Canaanite goddess Chochmah ("Wisdom") in the Book of Proverbs chapter 8 which roughly co-relates to the goddess Sophia ("Wisdom") among the Greeks.

Most ancient cultures (e.g. in India if you read the RgVeda) believed that the Creator God used the oral sound of WORDS to create the world, and later this WORD (or thought) became personified into a kind of Goddess.

In India, this goddess is VAC ("the Word"_) and there is a poem about her written in Sansrkt from about 1100 BC which is Remeniscent of John chapter One ("In the Beginning was VAC, and the World was created by VAC, and VAC was a goddess: nothing was Created without VAC, and through VAC were all things made..." sound familiar?)

In the Hebrew Tradition, of course, we read the Hezekielite Creation Myth Number 1 (The socalled P Myth in Genesis chapter 1:1 to 2:4a) where ELOHIM "bara" (creates) by a mere word ("Let there be xxx and there was xxxx").

Notice how the WORD spoken creates the Universe ex-nihilo in Creation Myth #1 of the Jews (Creation Myth # 2 in Genesis 2:4b and following needs YHWH-ELOHIM to "form" man and animals out of pre-existing material with his hands, supposedly).

In Proverbs chapter 8 we see a rather well written HYMN to CHOCHMAH being extolled as the GODDESS OF WISDOM in the "high places" where goddesses like Asherah (the consort of EL, or BAAL or YHWH depending) were freely worshipped before the EXILE into Babylon (i.e. in all those temples built on top of the more ancient, the pre-Juidaeic Cannaanite "pagan" shrines of Gilgal, Beth-El, Hazor, Dan, Beer-Shebaq, Megiddo, Shiloh, etc.)

At the end of Proverbs 8 is mention of MUT the Cannanite Goddess of Death, who is opposed to Chochmah (the goddess of Wisdom and eternal Life): her name was later changed to MAVET (using a different vowell pointing system, in order not to preserve her Canannite "abomination" ritual name, as was the case also with the Canannite god LOTAN the Dragon god of creation (his name was deliberately morphed to later post Exilic Hebrew "LEVIATHAN" using the same consonants with a different vowel pointing method of later times)

Here is part of a Poem about this female goddess of Wisdom (which for some reason the Ezra editors after the Babylonian Exile left in the text: later Rebbes ascribed Chochmah's character to the Messiah, which Christians applied to R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galiean ("Jeeezuzz"), e.g. in John's Gospel where she is identified with the Greek LOGOS ("the Word")

PROVERBS CHAPTER 8 IN PRAISE OF THE CANAANITE GODDESS CHOCHMAH

Doth not Chochmah cry out?
Will not Understanding put forth her voice?
Yea she standeth amidst the Sacred Groves of every sacrificial High Place,
She [walketh]by the way in the Ritual Altars of every By-way!

Lo, she doth cry at the gates,
even at the entry of the city,
and at the coming in at the doors.

Unto you, O men, I call out;
Yea, my Voice is to the Sons of Men.

O ye simpletons: begin to comprehend Chochmah !
and O ye fools: be ye of an understanding heart [as to her ways].

Hear me no-- for I will speak of excellent things;
yea the Opening of my Lips shall be Upright things.

Yea, my Mouth shall speak forth Truth;
for Wickedness is To'qebah ("ritual abomination") to my my Lips.
All the words of my mouth are [covered] in Righteousness;
yea, there is nothing contrary or perverse in them.
They are all Plain to him that hath Understanding,
yea, they are Clear to them that seek Knowledge [of the Most High]

Receive my Torah--and not silver;
Take ye Knowledge--and not choice gold.

For Chochmah is higher than Rubies;
and everything desireable cannot be compared to her.
For I, Chochmah, dwell with Prudence,
I am able to lay plain the hidden meaning of cunning secrets.

The Fear of Yahweh is to hate evil:
yea Pride, and Arrogance,
I abominate the way of evil ones,
and the perverse mouth.

Counsel is mine,
and sound Advice too :
For I am understanding;

For I possess great Power.
yea through Me alone do Kings Reign
and Princes decree their oracles of Justice.

Through me alone do princes rule,
and every Noble and Judge of the land [hold their power]

I love those that in turn love me;
yea, those that seek me out (midrash)
[even those who rise] early in the morning
shall find me.

Riches and Honour are with me always;
yea, treasures and Righteousness,
even things that do not fail.

My fruit is better than gold,
yea, more than fine gold;
and my Revenue more vaulable than choicest silver.

I lead in the way of righteousness,
in the midst of the Paths of Judgment:
That I may cause all of those that love me to inherit great substance;
yeaI will fill up their treasure stores.

For YHWH owned me in the Beginning of his Ways,
Yea even before his mighty-works of olden times.
I was Created at the Beginning from everlasting,
yea, even before there was an Earth:
When there was no Tehomah (Deep)
I was brought forth by him
at a time before there were Fountains bubling with water.
Even before the mountains were designed,
and before the hills [came into existence] was I born:
While as yet YHWH had not made the earth,
nor the fields, nor the highest hilltops of the Land [of Israel].

When YHWH prepared the heavens, I was there besides him:
I was there too when he set a Compass upon the face of the Deep:
I was there when he established the clouds above:
I was present when he strengthened the Fountains of the deep:

When he gave to the sea his Order
that the Waters should not pass the Limits of his Decree,
And I was there when he dug out the Foundations of the Earth:
Back then, I was by him,
as one brought up in his household
I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
Singing out in the habitable part of his earth;
and my Delights were with the sons of EL.

Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye sons of Men:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear Therefore Torah, and be wise,
yea, refuse it not.

For Blessed is the man that heareth me,
and he who watcheth daily at my gates,
who forever standeth at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth Life,
and shall obtain favour of Yahweh:
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love Mut (= the goddess of Death)


This should give you a glimpse of how the Goddess Chochmah was originally worshipped (at least, there are several snatchets of various Canannite Hymns to her sort of smashed together into one long Psalm here).

Also in Hebrew, the word TORAH ("instruction") is also feminine, so much of the goddess language of the Canaanite literature that the Israelites inherited was adapted to extolling the TORAH OF YHWH, almost as if she were still a goddess personified to some extent...

Just goes to show you that old pagan ideas are hard to stamp out.

read Ancient Near Eastern Texts (ed. Pritchard) also known as ANET if you want to take a look at the pre-Israelite literature of the area that was later adapted by the Yahweh-worshipping post Exilic priests in their texts and temple worship services.

As [Ecclesiastes] QOHELETH, "the Preacher" (also gramatically Feminine !) said: "There is Nothing new under the Sun", it seems ...

[edit on 10/2/2004 by esther]

Thinker, I suggest you keep your women hating comments to yourself. We don't need them here, and you're offending the female members on this forum.

Originally posted by magestica

Today we have another Eve seduced by Satan. This Eve is the young people seduced by Satan to drink alcohol (it's illegal for under-18s to drink alcohol) and they often give up to Satan and drink alcohol.

Originally posted by soothsayer

Marg6043... The Mormons use their own Bible, totally different from the Hebrew one. Their leader found the gold tablets inside a hill and had an angel decypher it for him.

Soothsayer, Mormons use the Hebrew Bible and they also use another book of doctrine called The Book Of Mormon.


Honestly people, if you don't know, and you just go by what you hear, then don't speak.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, you sure about that?

My mistake... just opened up my copy of the Book of Mormon, aka "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" (I NEVER go by what I hear... I like to delve into research first), and noticed that the Mormon does follow after New Testament.

But I still stick to what I said earlier. Reading and believing both Old and New testaments doesn't make you a Mormon... reading and excepting the Book of Mormon does... which IS different then the Judean/Hebrew bible.

Agreed?

And I don't know if you just quoted the entire post and forgot to delete some lines... but yes, Joseph Smith DID discover the gold tablets (with angelic help), and translated them (again, with angelic help), as witnessed by eleven followers... afterwards, the golden tablets were taken by, you guessed it, angels.

That isn't heresay... it's in their bible.

Originally posted by soothsayer

Marg6043... The Mormons use their own Bible, totally different from the Hebrew one. Their leader found the gold tablets inside a hill and had an angel decypher it for him.

Soothsayer, Mormons use the Hebrew Bible and they also use another book of doctrine called The Book Of Mormon.


Honestly people, if you don't know, and you just go by what you hear, then don't speak.

Originally posted by marg6043
The entire genesis is telling and making you believe that sex started all the evil in the world in other words once you have sex you become knowledgeable and susceptible to sin.

That is my interpretation,

We all sinners and going to hell for having sex

I agree that this is the impression I get from the theory originating in this thread, but not Genesis. God advocates sex when talking about man and woman cleaving together as one. I'm not going to recite the whole book but sex is far from unholy. Skip to Exodus if you want to see how to mis-use sex.

Originally posted by marg6043
This is my interpretation through the eyes of a woman. Tired of been blame of the exodus of the garden of Eden for eating the forbidden fruit, yeah I tell you what fruit we ate.

I'd just got done posting this on another thread, but I think it's important to remember here too. Let's here how Adam responds to getting busted in the garden:

Genesis 3:12:
"The man said, 'The woman YOU put here with me - she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.'"

How brave and responsible of you Adam! Blame God for making woman. Nice...

I think a lot of props are given to the women of the Bible and break the mold of a male dominant history. I can give examples if you like.

Men, if you don't like women, do not marry.
Women, if you don't like men, do not marry.
Otherwise, there is no need to complain, dominate, and argue for these are not the way of love.



[edit on 1-3-2005 by saint4God]

Eve was not seduced by Satan. In this case, it would be bestiality, for which Eve would have been killed.

Originally posted by The_Dark_Man
Eve was not seduced by Satan. In this case, it would be bestiality, for which Eve would have been killed.

Hm, hadn't thought of that. Interesting, thanks. The_Dark, a question please. Do you think Satan can take human form? If he did, would you still consider it beastiality?