Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll!

reply to post by Dance4Life

no, you are absolutely correct. that is how the MSM has achieved getting people to be afraid of those countries in the first place.... by hammering it into everyone's head. so yeah... you are right, that IS how you get people to see it differently, just keep putting it out there in front of them. But, baby steps, ya know? that kind of deprogramming is going to take time, and right now Dr. Paul needs to be concentrating on winning this election, so he should approach those topics a little more .... well... he needs to consider his audience, if you know what i mean. Rome wasn't built in day

Originally posted by mossme89
Just had an argument with my parents over my decision to switch from Democrat to Republican to vote for Ron Paul (they're Democrats). The horribly ironic part is that they told me I don't know what I'm doing.

....I'm voting for Ron Paul, nuff said.

Your wise beyond your years! I'm in same boat here, don't let it get you down. Do whats right.

Originally posted by highpriestess
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

you could have at least addressed even one single other point in my post so as to stay on topic here

I have addressed your entire diatribe in my previous posts. No need to reassert myself. Again (like I have previously stated), come back at me when RP wins something with substance behind it. Until then...best of luck to you, the RP fan club and RP himself...I truly wish this to be a productive and telling election season.

Originally posted by Aggie Man

 

I have addressed your entire diatribe in my previous posts. No need to reassert myself. Again (like I have previously stated), come back at me when RP wins something with substance behind it. Until then...best of luck to you, the RP fan club and RP himself...I truly wish this to be a productive and telling election season.

Where is this? I don't see where you addressed anything she said except the fanboy/girl part?

You started talking about hacking the straw polls and some suspicions you have about them, then went on a tirade about the RP fan club. To me, this sounds more like a diatribe than what she said.

reply to post by RSF77

don't worry about it, i am fairly sure he didn't grasp most of anything i was saying. that fact is made obvious by his last "nanny nanny boo-boo" post. The tone of that post speaks for itself. That is the tone that is typical of a person who really doesn't know a lot about the subject of which they are speaking.

So, what does everyone think about Perry? Do we think Bachman will actually make it all the way, or do we think that it will be Perry in the end? I don't think Bachman stands a chance in future polls if Perry participates. That man just oozes used car salesman. Just the Texas Tort Reform alone is cause to not vote for him as an actual national leader. if i had my choice between Bachman and perry, it would be Bachman for sure. While i totally support Paul, I know that he is, in the end, going to have to run as an Independent.

ETA: anyone who refers to political ideals as "fan clubs" - like rock bands or sports teams - probably doesn't really understand politics all that well.

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Where is this? I don't see where you addressed anything she said except the fanboy/girl part?

insomuch as this discussion relates to the OP topic of "Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll", I have completely addressed the necessary requirements. Now, if "highpriestess" wishes to start a new thread to discuss it further, then (by all means) I am a willing participant. Otherwise, I have given input into this topic as far as I (and ATS T&C) will allow. Let's not get off topic "highpriestess" (et al.). Rather, get a new thread started...lay out your argument...and I will interject with my pertinent comments; nothing more...yet, nothing less.

This was a big win for us (the non-sheep ad generally ticked off US citizens) today no doubt. I'm feeling a bit of something I haven't felt in quite a while: hope. I do see one problem though: I think a lot of Ron Paul supporters probably aren't registered as Republicans (a lot of Independents I would venture to guess, as that's been my experience). his supporters are going to have to hold on to that hope and get out there, talk to their friends about him, and most importantly VOTE -I know I am, and he's got my vote though.

I can't even count the number of people I know who just don't bother voting, because it's 'futile'. Yeah, you know why it's futile? Because intelligent people (who realize this) are letting the stupid people have all the say in the elections! TPTB are relying on the sheep to give them votes and are trying their hardest to keep us intelligent people out of it. What most of us don't realize is that there are a LOT of us; plenty in fact to elect someone like Ron Paul (if we can convince our friends of 'lesser intelligence', lol).

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Where is this? I don't see where you addressed anything she said except the fanboy/girl part?

insomuch as this discussion relates to the OP topic of "Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll", I have completely addressed the necessary requirements. Now, if "highpriestess" wishes to start a new thread to discuss it further, then (by all means) I am a willing participant. Otherwise, I have given input into this topic as far as I (and ATS T&C) will allow. Let's not get off topic "highpriestess" (et al.). Rather, get a new thread started...lay out your argument...and I will interject with my pertinent comments; nothing more...yet, nothing less.

edit on 13-8-2011 by Aggie Man because: (no reason given)

not one single post i have made in this thread, with the exception of THIS post, has been off-topic. i have spoken of the straw poll in each and every post, as well as mentioning Michele Bachman - and also responding to some of the ron paul remarks that are part of this discussion (michelle bachman winning the poll) perhaps you should go back and look at your last three posts and tell me what each and every one of them is about. i have spoken of the actual TOPICS of the straw poll debates and well as what the total outcome of future polls could be... you have done nothing but talk about how everything is rigged and how you arent insulting anyone with your insults.

i understand the mods may remove this post, and i am good with that, so long as they remove your last three off-topic posts as well.

reply to post by highpriestess


I have never voted, the reason being that I can never stand any of the presidential candidates I have ever seen. I consider myself a patriot though, I did serve in the military after all, I don't know how much that qualifies me.

The reason I have never voted relates to this because I always see the same thing from each and every one of them. Bachmann, Perry and all of them just sound so full of crap I can't bring myself to believe anything they say. Ron Paul is just the first man/woman I've seen (with the potential to run this country) that is straight up and makes sense with his words.

I just can't stand these "scripted" sounding speeches and then when we elect these people they don't change a thing except make life harder for the average American. To me, Ron Paul sounds like he is wise and knows what he is talking about.

I am not highly educated in economics or the ways of business, but the man has been in washington for how many? 20 years or so, so he must know how the system works. I am highly in favor of bringing our boys and girls home.

Michelle Bachmann I don't like because she is hung up trying to get votes from churches, and any overbearing christian family she can muster. Rick Perry just seems like another George Bush, he might pass himself off as a country boy from Texas real nice, but hes overdoing the whole "appeal to the public" thing a bit too much for me. If you are truly who you are, you shouldn't need to put up some kind of fake persona.

These two, or any of them for that matter, aren't going to bring our troops home so its irrelevant to me (as a voter) anything they say until they decide to jump on the same bandwagon. If they did, I may consider it.

Originally posted by CaptainIraq
I think lot Ron Paul supporters probably aren't registered as Republicans (a lot of Independents I would venture to guess, as that's been my experience). his supporters are going to have to hold on to that hope and get out there, talk to their friends about him, and most importantly VOTE -I know I am, and he's got my vote though.

We learned in the first few pages of the thread it's very easy to change your party affiliation to be able to vote in the primaries, then switch back to Independent, etc.

reply to post by RSF77


i agree. i live in texas and i work in the legal profession (on the side of the people, thank you ) and rick perry has been a thorn in my side for quite a while. he can be bought very easily and that is scary - but that is also why i think he will eventually beat out Bachman and the rest.

I also agree with your opinion about Bachman being so engraved into the stone walls of the church. And also, like i said, i am not big on the fact that she used to rep the IRS - of course, that doesn't always have to be the case, i used to rep the City of Dallas in the City Attorney's Civil Rights dept. AND i also used to rep Satan a/k/a General Electric - Commercial Finance Legal, which was a branch we stole... i mean bought... from Citicorp... and i have totally switched from the evil Empire to the Jedi, so... it could happen. - but i don't see her as a threat, even though she won this poll. because now that Perry has kicked off his campaign, I think he is going to climb the ladder very quickly - he has A LOT of "old money" backing him up.

reply to post by highpriestess


Yea, honestly Rick Perry frightens me. I don't think he has our welfare in his intentions at all.

I am a poker player, and consider myself at least somewhat good at reading people. Even though he hasn't talked much about what he will do if he becomes the pres. and honestly I really don't know all that much about the guy, everything he says his face says the opposite or is completely blank, like he has been trained to do this.

This kind of person is not the kind of person I want to have the lives of our service members in their hands.

Originally posted by CaptainIraqI do see one problem though: I think a lot of Ron Paul supporters probably aren't registered as Republicans

We lurk in the shadows...

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reply to post by RSF77


He's just like any other politician, inconsistent. I've looked at some of his stances, in regards to state rights and he used to advocate state rights, allowing states to decide about marijuana, gay marriage, etc. But, as of late he seems to have reversed those stances, per usual for the establishment. They'll say anything that fits the moment.

Originally posted by RSF77

I am not highly educated in economics or the ways of business, but the man has been in washington for how many? 20 years or so, so he must know how the system works. I am highly in favor of bringing our boys and girls home.

30 years in office, and 30 years of consistently voting pro-Constitution. And to be in Washington for 30 - 40 years and never once have ANYONE be able to pull some skeleton out of your closet, especially in regards to MONEY... is ... well.... monumental. the man REFUNDS a huge chunk of his budget at the end of every fiscal year.

Also, I don't think that Bachman has ever served in the military. Personally, i think if you are going to lead our military, you should have at least served in it once. we are seeing the result of the lack thereof with the current President (if wars are only fought in the air, then they aren't really wars and don't need congressional approval. really!?! if we really felt that way about air strikes, that "they aren't really wars," then explain to me why we dropped the a-bomb on Japan after Pearl Harbor. we sure did think an airstrike was an act of war when it was US being bombed.) Paul was a flight surgeon in the military. he has been there, done that, held the hands of many dying soldiers and fully understand the sacrifice they are making. That's the kind of person who needs to be directing the troops. Someone who KNOWS what real war is like, from more than just an XBOX game. :-/

reply to post by highpriestess


Oh, sorry about that, on FOX I thought it said he had been a state rep for 20 some odd years, that's what I get for listening to fox news. It might just be my mistake.

I really didn't know that much about him when he ran 4 years ago, or historically when he ran earlier, I was ignorant of him in the truest sense. But no more, I know him and I know what he stands for.

reply to post by 27jd


Yea, I think that is why so many people and supporting RP. People are coming out of hibernation, myself included, to support someone that actually has something worthwhile to say and has the credentials to support it.

On another thread, someone really called me a "newbie" (I'm guessing in the sense of voting? or politics?). RP actually made me come back to ATS and start talking, so you know this guy is important, it would have to be for me to come back to this freaking place.

Who is Bachmann? LOL
I would say the Iowa Straw Poll is BS and rigged.

I'd bet money Ron Paul really won.

Really ATS

Bachman?

you know when Bush failed, word around ATS was that he failed because he was too liberal, a fake conservative...

Well here is Ms. Bachman, sharing the same ideas and lingo with Mr. Bush. I realize NOTHING has changed,
Same concepts are gonna be pulled out of the fire pit, dusted off and driven back into a wall with the same force
and clueless nature only conservatives can muster.

All you fake conservatives, backing this fake conservative NEOCON lady should do the nation a favor and refrain
from voting.

I know the yada ya, the truth is, your ideas suck Bachman, you take from the state in a socialistic manner, you are a theocrat and a pro elite shill. The ONLY thing that defines you is the language you use, the coded idiot talk
that should have been buried in 2009.

reply to post by RSF77


don't apologize! that's what good discussion like this are for, to learn things and to contribute things - he has been in office for 30 years total, he took a ten year break to go back to his medical practice. you know how they always say "follow the money" - well... with Paul, there's not a lot of controversy about where his money comes from. it;'s not the church, its not the big corporations. its you and me, brother - WE the people

reply to post by highpriestess


Looks like only Paul and Perry served. Both served 5 years in the USAF.

Besides that can't dig up any other data, other than Newt received a draft deferment.

Paul:
"Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 until 1968, during the Vietnam War."
en.wikipedia.org...

Perry:
"Upon graduation, he was commissioned in the United States Air Force, completed pilot training and flew C-130 tactical airlift in the United States, the Middle East, and Europe until 1977."
en.wikipedia.org...

More details on the GOPs here:
2012.republican-candidates.org...