Why Is Ron Paul So Popular On ATS This Election Cycle?

Last election in 2008 Ron Paul was not that popular on ATS, sure he had a few supporters but nothing like now.

I was just wondering why so many ATS members are now supporting him, what changed their minds ?

It seems that on ATS most members are logical truth seekers and see some basic truths to what Ron Paul is saying. Here are some points that I have heard him make that just make logical sense to me personally.

1) America is broke, and needs to curb the spending, especially on militaristic imperialism.
2) America should not police the world, it's not America's job, other countries hate America for doing that, a policy that worked during WW2 is no longer viable in the 21st century.
3) America needs to obey it's own constitution.
4)Obama never changed anything, when change was his slogan in 2008, betraying some of his voters.
5)Increase peoples freedom not continually and progressively restrict them.
6)He understands that no COUNTRY would ever dare attack America at this point in history.
7)Reduce Taxation.
8)Reduce federal government bureaucracy, and allow the individual states to control more locally.
9)Ignores the fear mongering of his fellow Americans that are hawkish towards certain countries.
10)Leave Israel to fend for itself, as it is fully capable to do so now.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


From what I can remember RP did have a lot of popularity on ATS last election cycle. And has much more support than any other candidate.

That's how I remember it anyway

because he ROCKS

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Give me 10 examples in almost 4 years that Obama changed??

The people want someone in who actually makes sense and doesn't lobby his presidency!!! Where is Ron Paul's "change" slogan?? Nowhere....

Ron wants to make America a better place and I for one will try to let him get that chance by voting for him!!

Also I think the whole Old guy look, feel, actions IE GEORGE BUSH.....Killing this country rubbed people the wrong way and people wanted "change"....What better "change" than a younger black president???

WHAT AN EPIC MISTAKE THAT WAS!!!

Let me clarify also you racists out there.....Epic mistake based on his actions, not because of being a younger black president.....

It's not just here, it's everywhere,. The msm is finally giving him a fair amount of coverage.

Look at the alternatives. Same BS different day.

Ron couldn't do any worse and Americans, as well as the World, realize that his approach is not a repeat of the same.

All of the current candidates are still spewing the same rhetoric with a different wrapper on it. Ron is the only one that has stood his ground and not changed his platform in fear of being unpopular.

Now his words are being heard because people realize that what America needs is radical change...not the same old tired lines that lead nowhere but down.

So if everything is the same and clearly hasn't worked, what is there to lose?

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In 2008, I didn't like his campaign, I didn't like his running mate, and I didn't think he had a chance to be elected. In 2008, the Tea Party was in its infancy, the country was in quite a bit better state than right now, and Obama seemed like a decent outsider.

Now, going into 2012, Obama was a corporate, socialist puppet! The Tea Party had good success in 2010, and the country is ready to embrace more conservative values. Ron Paul is running a much tighter and mainstream campaign. The country is in dire need of reform, particularly after the Debt Ceiling raise fiasco, and the obliviousness of the Republicans that all decided to vote for the toothless compromise.

So, this time around, Ron Paul is the perfect candidate for the perfect storm!

He seems to me like the only one with any sense.

The others seem to be like "I hear what I think people want and I've got a clean history and I've got a pretty face, I think I'm going to run! I wanna be president"

And he's more like "I'm old and wise and I know what I'm talking about and if we want to fix these problems and remain free, we've got to do these things!"

i thkn 4 years ago dems thought they would see positive change through obama, and they didnt, now the only person who is even remotley trustworthy is Dr Paul, he should get everyones vote dem or repub because he truly is neither. he is basically an independant under the repub banner, even the other repubs hate him. because he wants to destroy the corruption they spent years and years creating.

the other thing ron paul does is bases his positions and suggestions on "the constitution" he isnt jockying for personal gain, he actually loves his country and was alive when that meant something

I just recently joined the ATS community, so I cant speak for the amount of 08 Ron Paul support. But I for one have supported him from the get go. He speaks with sincerity and compassion in his voice. While so many have lost hope for the once great US of A, he is still in the trenches fighting a battle that many have given up on. He WILL be a great president because not only does he see the problems logically, he also puposes solutions that make since as well. To me, he feels like he would be the kind of president you could just walk up to and have a REAL conversation, with out all the political correctness B.S.

Ron Paul alone cannot turn this country around, we all have to help.

ETA: its kinda like your job (if you have one). If you have a great boss, that manages the company well, you WANT to do good for him and the company. But on the other hand, if you have a sh*ty boss that makes promises and never comes through with them. As well as makes idiotic/poor decisions, you are more likey gonna say F**k this guy and this place. So with good leadership, we can and we WILL prosper once again.

~~This has been a message for the 2012 candidacy of Ron Paul and Talltexxxan approves this message~~

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Simple, because the world is waking up, which includes America. Common sense and the ability to put two and two together are finally coming into play for people at an accelerated rate who used to be dumbed down.

lol, I should remember that posting in a political forum is a bad idea unless sober =)

[sorry mods]

I don't know, I think he was pretty popular here 5 years ago too. I voted for him last election primary. Unfortunately the same thing happened last time as will happen this time. The media, under direct instruction, will completely ignore him. In an unmanipulated world he would fair better and possibly win, but clearly that's not the world we live in.

People that don't like him, seem fearful, to me. Afraid of change, and afraid that their predictable llives will be in for disruptions. I just think these people are not looking at the future being delivered to us now. It seems like the same old thing, predictable and safe, but the reality is it's changing drastically, yet subtly, on a daily basis and heading the masses for a life that you only wished you'd stood up to and permitted drastic new livelyhoods at this current time.

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because people realize ron paul is actually going to change the u.s for the GOOD not bad like the other candiates(sorry for spelling) . He will close the federal reserve which will stop the jew running it from losing the dollar's value and if he doesnt get voted the dollar will lose its value because the fed will keep putting in money to 'help' the us . their goal is to make a nwo by using one currency

Originally posted by Conspiracy Now
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Simple, because the world is waking up, which includes America. Common sense and the ability to put two and two together are finally coming into play for people at an accelerated rate who used to be dumbed down.

YOu're right about that, I used to spread all kinds of info to friends in the last 10 years, things we talk about here on ATS, and I felt I was on a planet all alone in my thinking. Now I don't have to send a thing. Everyone is questioning the state of being these days. They are waking up. They aren't all well informed, but they can't ignore the direction anymore.

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Well, he was fairly unheard of until then.. Now we have had time to learn about him and he is getting more TV time and everything.

Him and his ideas are much more known and there fore...he is much more popular...

Did you see him on the debate last night?

reply to post by Blue_Jay33
I can't answer your question directly, since I supported Ron over everyone else since I found out about him after debates back in 2007.

While I also liked Kunich and Gravel, I couldn't get behind their (effectively just) more-selective foreign policies or love of some social programs in light of our fiscal situation.

As far as why I like Paul so much, you covered most of it. For me, I love the fact that you're hearing an actual opinion - that has remained consistent for decades - instead of political pandering/manuvering, and he seems to actually understand the issues and problems themselves by way of research and experience in the political world instead of just spouting popular sound bytes without much weight or deeper understanding beyond what gets people excited.

And for me he's the whole package - it's fical sanity, social liberty, fearless lack of change (with understanding that any more-extreme changes/views would be tempered by other branches and the people), and a truly christian worldview that promotes peace and understanding instead of aggression and control, all the while maintaining strength and ability to respond proportionately without jumping to conclusions or sticking a hand in the beehive for no good reason. And he wants to set the captives free, as far as he can on a national level, anyway - get non-violent drug offenders out of prison, it's a public health issue, not a criminal matter.

There's just not a whole lot I can disagree with, until we live in a perfect world where our financial house is in perfect order and our constitution amended as needed to allow for any social programs that might actually be for the good of all without having a hidden decay on the back end.

I was a huge RP supporter in '08. There were lots of us. I voted for him in '08. I wrote him in. He was winning polls, suffereing media blackouts, being ridiculed... just like now. He energetically was warning --- with great specificity --- that the economy was on the brink of collapse. He was ridculed openly for that. I can remember still a televised debate where both Romney and Gulliani openly laughed at him. Turned out not to be so funny.

The problem is folks, he's part of the establishment. Like it or not he's a Republican. The President is only one person and no matter how much we like his views he isn't going to be able to affect any real change. The parties are the ones in control and, by extension, their handlers/benefactors. The President isn't going to change that as much as he may want to. It's very fashionable these days to blame Obama for all our ills. How naive and short-sighted. He's only a puppet. Things would largely be the same no matter who you put in.

The system is broken. Massively, irrepairably broken. Both parties, lock-stock-and-barrel, are 'owned' by the monied-elite that support their campaigns and influence legislation. There's no escaping that. The entire political establishment needs to be run out of town. Every one. And replaced with third party candidates. Right now, it is less important who gets elected as who doesn't.