Scholars are actively correcting mistakes in the Bible.....

Originally posted by Htrowklis82
your read correctly...mistakes.
More proof this text should not be taken as the end all be all! Men have been changing, adding, removing and editing for ages!

The sacred text that people revered in the past was not the same one we study today. An ancient version of one book has an extra phrase. Another appears to have been revised to retroactively insert a prophecy after the events happened.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Scholars are tracking every evolution of the bible as far back as it can be traced...."evolution" means The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
The bible has been changed to suit the needs of men, governments, and rulers.

They have been toiling at this task for 53 years, so this is not some fly by group of people trying to discredit the bible, and they are religious scholars. Even they have come to the conclusion it has become a work of men.

But the ongoing work of the academic detectives of the Bible Project, as their undertaking is known, shows that this text at the root of Judaism, Christianity and Islam was somewhat fluid for long periods of its history, and that its transmission through the ages was messier and more human than most of us imagine.

edit on 12-8-2011 by Htrowklis82 because: (no reason given)

It has ALWAYS been a work of man. God inspired men - but men none the less. And better yet, men who make mistakes... and probably a few *gasp* women in there too.

Sort of why I am digging the chronicle project

The stuff being uncovered makes far more sense in its translation than what the standard kjv starts...almost makes some stuff plausable

Christians, Religious folk out there I have a question.

When there is presented such blatant evidence that man tampered with , and even lied about prophecy in the book you deem so holy and reverent, why don't you question or even get angry?
God gave you free will.....to think.
You are smart people (most).. Why does it not make you want to question or delve further for truth?
I am just putting it this way....
This very thing is what drove me from religion..and then Christianity as a whole. I started thinking and asking questions! I wanted answers about discrepancies, and all I got from church leaders was "your just having a crisis of faith"
Seriously!?
Thinking...is a crisis of faith, so what is faith...the opposite of thinking?

I wonder where the First Council of Nicaea fits into their research.

The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in A.D. 325. The Council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[2]

Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the relationship of Jesus to God the Father; the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed; settling the calculation of the date of Easter; and promulgation of early canon law.[3][4]

Will be interesting to monitor their progress.

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Interesting article:-

www.worldagesarchive.com...

Any unfalsifiable claim in the bible can be asserted to be true, as long as the archaeologists cannot falsify.

And of course, there will be people who insist that a wooden structure found in mount Arafat is in fact Noah's Arck:-

www.creationtips.com...

Believers will use anything to try and justify the bible's outlandish claims.

Believers?

That is quite an assumption you are taking away here fella.

Meet a skeptic.
Not a denier like yourself...a skeptic.

You can deny until the cows come home. The Bible is a book of human history.

Surprising what lengths people will go because they are unhappy with the truth as it appears and wish to change it to another truth. Biblical archeology is a real science with real discoveries in fact some of the most important of our time and perhaps throughout human history. You can take the religious bent out of it and still get to the truth of what happened and where. You may not get a clear picture of why.

Some of you may not even get a picture.
That's fine. You do the same discovering only you start from scratch.
If you can still scratch the surface of anything that is.

Top Ten Archaeological Discoveries of the Twentieth Century Relating to the Biblical World

THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS
THE HOUSE OF DAVID INSCRIPTION
AMULET SCROLL
GALILEE BOAT
BARUCH BULLA
OSSUARY OF CAIAPHAS
PONTIUS PILATE INSCRIPTION
EKRON INSCRIPTION
MOUNT EBAL ALTAR
UGARIT

biblicalstudies.info...
www.centuryone.com...
www.loc.gov...

As another poster said... and gasp "a few women were in there..."

William Dever, Professor Emeritus at the University of Arizona, has investigated the archeology of the ancient Near East for more than 30 years and authored almost as many books on the subject. In the following interview, Dever describes some of the most significant archeological finds related to the Hebrew Bible, including his own hot-button discovery that the Israelites' God was linked to a female goddess called Asherah. www.pbs.org...

King Solomon's Wall Found—Proof of Bible Tale?
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood
www.sciencedaily.com...

I don't understand how this feat of literal engineering can be accomplished accurately simply because we don't have any original documents from the creation of the bible. We only have copies.

We know Ezra and Hezekiah wrote the first part because Ezra was told to bring together the people from the South, the housed of Judah and the Israelites. He had the literary effort of uniting two pagan Gods YHWH from Judah and El, the Father Creator from the Israelites. The God who has come from the bible was originally two separate Gods. This is why it seems we have a vengeful God and a loving father type God. Christ obviously devolved from the El side as he refers to God as Father.

reply to post by Lynda101

We only have copies.

Dead sea scrolls are not copies. They are original documents.

reply to post by newcovenant


The bible is not a historical document.

There's no archaoelogical evidence of the Exodus, not one sliver of evidence, and no primary evidence of evacuation orders was ever produced.

There's also no evidence that the Red Sea parted

There's no evidence that burning bushes talk to people.

I'm a skeptic too, awaiting evidence for extraordinary claims.

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by newcovenant

 

The bible is not a historical document.

There's no archaoelogical evidence of the Exodus, not one sliver of evidence, and no primary evidence of evacuation orders was ever produced.

There's also no evidence that the Red Sea parted

There's no evidence that burning bushes talk to people.

I'm a skeptic too, awaiting evidence for extraordinary claims.

You can also point to another couple of thousand things you think didn't happen.
As if you were there.
Those are not all exactly historical pinpoints. They are stories which the Bible is full of along with historical facts and those that remain to be proved as historical fact. Like the parting of the seas.
You can get a basic working knowledge of the Book and what it represents and does not represent from this which is a fairly unbiased opinion of all we know.

reply to post by newcovenant


If I recall I stumbled upon a website that discuses Exodus happening. Give me time and I will find it. I know where to find the link just need a lot of time to waste.

reply to post by newcovenant


No, you've got me wrong. Perhaps it's not all historically unfalsifiable; certainly we can analyse the language (of some scholars) or even what clothes or animals they used for livestock.

I do believe people would stone people for being homosexual. I do believe they thought geological events were punishment from some cosmological dictator

As if you were there.

AS if the authors of the bible were there. There's 40 authors btw.

Laters "fella".



Enjoy!

reply to post by NeverForget


If actual scientific discovery and tangible evidence doesn't persuade you nothing will, so why waste my time?

You are the proverbial one who has ears but does not hear, who has eyes but does not see.

This is not my problem.
I can't believe you are using the hollow and wasted empty shell that identifies itself as Christopher Hitchins as your argument to prove theology is BS. Not too convincing.. that.

AS if the authors of the bible were there. There's 40 authors btw.

Authors? I guess you are using the term loosely.
They are scribes and they are the equivalent of the daily newspaper of the time.

reply to post by newcovenant


Cool.

Originally posted by Htrowklis82
your read correctly...mistakes.
More proof this text should not be taken as the end all be all! Men have been changing, adding, removing and editing for ages!

Well you can look at the small percentage of apparent mistakes or you can wonder that 40 different authors managed to write amazingly cohesive documents with little or no contact with each other. Personally I do feel that the men who wrote these documents that would eventually be combined into the Bible did let their personal biases creep in, but the overall truth is there for those who seek it. The truth is not just found in the Bible, I see the Bible as more of a supplement to faith than the pillar of faith.

Originally posted by NeverForget
Believers will use anything to try and justify the bible's outlandish claims.

No, no, no, no, noooo. You're talking about LITERALISTS, not BELIEVERS. The vast majority of believers are NOT literalists even though atheists constantly try to brand them as such.

Originally posted by Htrowklis82
I can't even begin to count the times I have been told I must do this or that, or believe or behave a certain way.....
Because!
"the Bible tells us so"
For Christians this book is the end all be all, without question! There should be questions! Think for yourselves a bit, and investigate what you put your heart so totally in!

No. False. You're talking about LEGALISTS, not CHRISTIANS. For Christians, the message is that we are ALL sinners; believers and non-believers alike. It's not about behaving a certain way, it's about understanding God's grace and mercy, that we can be forgiven despite our fallen state.

Well you can look at the small percentage of apparent mistakes or you can wonder that 40 different authors managed to write amazingly cohesive documents with little or no contact with each other. Personally I do feel that the men who wrote these documents that would eventually be combined into the Bible did let their personal biases creep in, but the overall truth is there for those who seek it. The truth is not just found in the Bible, I see the Bible as more of a supplement to faith than the pillar of faith.

They have only gotten through 3 books so far and this was just a snippet of what they have found incorrect thus far.

No. False. You're talking about LEGALISTS, not CHRISTIANS. For Christians, the message is that we are ALL sinners; believers and non-believers alike. It's not about behaving a certain way, it's about understanding God's grace and mercy, that we can be forgiven despite our fallen state.

I never went to a legalist church....I went to bible churches, christian churches, baptist churches, Pentecostal churches, heck I even went to a nondenominational church once!
I moved a lot as a child but always found a new church "home" and they all pretty much preached the same message.

reply to post by SavedOne


Saved one, please answer the question I posed above...I will re-post it here. I would like to hear your answer.

Christians, Religious folk out there I have a question.

When there is presented such blatant evidence that man tampered with , and even lied about prophecy in the book you deem so holy and reverent, why don't you question or even get angry?
God gave you free will.....to think.
You are smart people (most).. Why does it not make you want to question or delve further for truth?
I am just putting it this way....
This very thing is what drove me from religion..and then Christianity as a whole. I started thinking and asking questions! I wanted answers about discrepancies, and all I got from church leaders was "your just having a crisis of faith"
Seriously!?
Thinking...is a crisis of faith, so what is faith...the opposite of thinking?

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by newcovenant

 

The bible is not a historical document.

There's no archaoelogical evidence of the Exodus, not one sliver of evidence, and no primary evidence of evacuation orders was ever produced.

There's also no evidence that the Red Sea parted

There's no evidence that burning bushes talk to people.

I'm a skeptic too, awaiting evidence for extraordinary claims.

Can We Trust the New Testament as a Historical Document?
carm.org...

Evidence for the Exodus Part 1 of 6
www.youtube.com...

Volcanic eruption 'triggered biblical parting of Red Sea'
www.timesonline.co.uk...

'___' - The Spirit Molecule Documentary 1/5 www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Htrowklis82

When there is presented such blatant evidence that man tampered with , and even lied about prophecy in the book you deem so holy and reverent, why don't you question or even get angry? God gave you free will.....to think.

What makes you think no one does?
This is very presumptuous and denigrates an entire class of people based on inappropriate, misguided and even delusional actions of a few.

reply to post by newcovenant


The Dead Sea Scrolls version is shorter as it omits a prophesy included in the version of Jeremiah commonly accepted today. Which one do you accept? No one was allowed near the scrolls for quite some length of time due to the refusal to share their information by the catholic church. So in fact we can't be sure their vested interest was not covered before the scrolls were made available to all. The Nag Hammadi are probably a better bet although there seems to be a notion as to what are gnostic texts and what are not.

It still goes back to the same point though, even if we do have 2000 year old scrolls, they tell tales of earlier times and are still not the original documents. The Jewish scribes copied and recopied, no one knows what they altered but it should be remembered that the Hebrew Religion was all about galvanising a nation into action and whatever was needed was obviously done to try to achieve that dream.