Is NJ govenor Mcgreevey a gay mole?

Please note:
As this threads creator, i in no way passed judgment on McGreeveys "gayness".

I mearly pose questions about if he could be using his sexual preferance as a secret political motivation. This thread is not about debating the "good/bad" of being gay.

ANY group, including blacks, gays, whites, or any Niche group could be suseptable to corruption, and doing things politically in support of a concealed adgenda.

Look at the California gay marriage issue.
The government leaders over there involved in attempting to marry gays illegally obviously were in cohoots with one another....do you think their plan just popped up one day? Why couldnt they have been discussing/planning behind closed doors, doing this prior to trying it? Wouldnt that be a "gay adgenda conspiracy" as well?

It appears that there are patterns of behaivior emerging, supporting gay adgenda items, that have been hatched in secret or thru deceptions. this behaivior has been determined illegal in the California situation,and certantly questionable in McGreeveys. Is this a new strategy by supporters of gay adgendas?

Isnt it possible, that seeing a difficult road ahead, or even defeat at the hands of the majority (Like in california, where voters turned down the gay marriage thing before certain officials decided to circumvent democratic principals AND the law to make it happen anyway) That a group of politically involved gays, could be meeting secretly and planning to make their adgendas become reality...thru secret plans and means other than/and includng legitimate channels?

It wouldnt matter what the minority in question was advocating if their means were secrative, decietful, and subversive to the democratic principals normaly used for governance...in this case its not $$$ that motivates these moves, its power, its promoting more gays into positions of power, passing the gay marriage law, and actions which even the gays seem to think the majority would not go for.

There have been plenty of examples where government leaders have been cought doing something in secret that should not have been done, for MANY reasons...why would supporting gay adgenda items be immune to the same type of back door dealing? (i couldnt resist the pun)

Why is asking this (supposing this) a wrong idea?

The idea that asking these questions is "gay bashing" or "hate mongering" would only make it MORE distasteful to investigate it, further concealing the activity.

What if some hiden memo/recording or other "proof" of this kind of activity surfaces?

[edit on 19-8-2004 by CazMedia]

Originally posted by CazMedia
Why is asking this (supposing this) a wrong idea?

The idea that asking these questions is "gay bashing" or "hate mongering" would only make it MORE distasteful to investigate it, further concealing the activity.

It is wrong because "they" despise scrutiny. Their tactic is to silence all opposition by demonizing anyone who disagrees, to smear your name and reputation and utterly destroy you if necessary. I have been the target of a PC villification campaign. I know firsthand.

Caz, first off, I would like to apologize for my first post in this thread. Now, I've recalled your arguement before about the minority having to take from the majority "because." If this is the only arguement, because they ARE the minority, that means your view for America is a narrow one that would provide only for 1 group of people. What about " liberty and justice for ALL?"

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I am sometimes tempted to blow the head off some knucklehead with his baseball cap turned backward and his car stereo vibrating my car and everything in it. Until I actually act on that impulse everything is okay. When actually ventilate his brain-housing group, there is a problem.

This is a little off thread, but should be addressed anyway. Are you serious about wanting to blow a hole in some punk kid's head because he has his music too loud? I hope not, if so you might wanna think about getting rid of any guns you may have. I know I would get rid of mine if I truly felt that way. It appears you are a Marine, if you just got back from a tour, you may want to seek assistance. I know they have programs to re-assimilate soldiers back into society. If you were just making a point, I'm afraid it's lost on me.

The gay agenda (and it is not the gay's alone) is to tear down society as you and I know it and rebuild it to their specifications. How do I know this? I have been schooled in their tactics and have been tutored in their philosophy. I have been a mole, albeit inadvertantly and in the process of my education.

You'd be surprised what you can learn when you let people make assumptions about who you are and keep your opinions to yourself. When you are trusted, people will volunteer everything.

Well, I guess you must know something we all don't, but maybe you should specify the nature of the threat a bit further, I for one do not understand what you mean.

Originally posted by 27jd
GradyPhilpott,

I As for the partisan comment, it is obvious you are not a Democrat, but I don't think this should be a partisan issue.

[edit on 18-8-2004 by 27jd]

You're absolutely correct and I would be very happy to see the Democrats hold this guy responsible. It would really restore my faith. I know everyon believes I'm a Republican, but I am not. I would like to see the Democrats take a hard right and wind up somewhere near the middle.

Intrepid,
no appologies are nessisary.

The next remarks are off the threads topic, but since you asked so nicely, ill answer you.

Exerpt from intrepid's statement,

your view for America is a narrow one that would provide only for 1 group of people. What about " liberty and justice for ALL?"

Hmm, indeed i have been sticking to a seemingly narrow point about DEMOCRACY, and the practice of this form of governance.

I feel that "liberty and justice for all" is a great and nobel IDEAL for a society to strive for.
BUT
Democracy is the mechanism with which this society has to try and achieve the IDEAL.

Therefore the view as you say, that provides for only 1 group of people, which i am advocating, is the group of a majority in the democracy. (for whatever issue you put before the voters in that culture)

Now i do understand that the majority in a democracy will not always choose (vote democratically) for the "right" or "just" idea.
BUT
Isnt that the right of a democratic society to figure out for themselves?
Isnt it the cultures right to have the chance to make this "mistake" of choosing "wrong" or "right"?

On the issue of gay marriage, this principal of a democratic societies right to self determination thru democratic means, is the basis of why I oppose gay marriage. That and the fact that NOONE EVER talks about the ramifications, and adjustments, potential loopholes, and any kind of actual PLAN for implementing this gay marriage idea into the culture. Just a list of demands attached to "hate monger, biggot" or other devicive and disrespectful terms.

To me it appears that a vocal, organized minority of the society, is trying to circumvent democratic means to get what they want. (gay adgenda items)

This led me to speculate (YES I SAID I MADE A SPECULATION) about a secret "gay illuminati" as RANT aptly called it. with reguards to the California situation and the McGreevey case.

(NOTE to my detractors on my speculation.....It is one thing to ask speculative questions, and explore them to seek answers...it is another and false thing to accept speculations as fact and use a speculation as such. I am not saying in this thread that Mcgreevey IS a gay mole, just asking if this idea COULD be the case.)

Originally posted by 27jd


This is a little off thread, but should be addressed anyway. Are you serious about wanting to blow a hole in some punk kid's head because he has his music too loud? I hope not, if so you might wanna think about getting rid of any guns you may have. I know I would get rid of mine if I truly felt that way. It appears you are a Marine, if you just got back from a tour, you may want to seek assistance. I know they have programs to re-assimilate soldiers back into society. If you were just making a point, I'm afraid it's lost on me.

The gay agenda (and it is not the gay's alone) is to tear down society as you and I know it and rebuild it to their specifications. How do I know this? I have been schooled in their tactics and have been tutored in their philosophy. I have been a mole, albeit inadvertantly and in the process of my education.

You'd be surprised what you can learn when you let people make assumptions about who you are and keep your opinions to yourself. When you are trusted, people will volunteer everything.

Well, I guess you must know something we all don't, but maybe you should specify the nature of the threat a bit further, I for one do not understand what you mean.

Okay. Thanks for the mental health advice. You can't tell me that you never have the urge to take extreme action against some insult or another and you can't tell me you don't know hyperbole, irony, sarcasm and satire when you see them. You also surely noted that I restrain my instincts, which was my point.

As for the "threat," I didn't believe it until I found myself right in the middle of those who have this as their agenda. My eyes have been opened. I would try to explain it, but I believe my previous statement is sufficient for this forum.

There is no reason for me to pound my fingers raw because there is enough documentation of what I know for all to learn on their own.

Just take me at my word about this. I present myself and my knowledge and experience as honestly as I can. I protect my identity only.

I will say this. Marxist ideology is the single most pernicious force in America today. It masquerades as progressive, compassionate, open-minded sensitivity. It is anything but and it permeates many movements within America, including the Democratic Party, whose candidate is a prime proponent.

Read my bio. It will give some insight on what my positions are founded.

Beyond that, please understand that I am sincere and only bring these things to light because I believe that they are important.

You may choose to believe me or not. I no longer care if anyone beleives me, but nothing except death will prevent me from sharing my experience with those who will hear.

[edit on 04/8/19 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by CazMedia
Isnt it possible, that seeing a difficult road ahead, or even defeat at the hands of the majority (Like in california, where voters turned down the gay marriage thing before certain officials decided to circumvent democratic principals AND the law to make it happen anyway) That a group of politically involved gays, could be meeting secretly and planning to make their adgendas become reality...thru secret plans and means other than/and includng legitimate channels?

Sure, anything is possible, but it's not likely, and I don't think it would work if it were. Why would the mole expose himself and step down? Shouldn't he have kept in under wraps, and denied any allegations made by that Israeli, and remained if at all possible, governor to further the plot? Doesn't make sense to me.

So America never learns then. I guess the gays are going to have to fight and scrape their way to equallity just like the Blacks and the women. It's a moot point, society, as a whole, believes in equallity, why fight it? In ten years this won't even be an issue.

Originally posted by intrepid
In ten years this won't even be an issue.

It will never cease to be an issue. History is clear on this one. There will never be a time when this activity will enjoy wide social acceptance and there will be a violent backlash in due time. It is inevitable.

If homosexuals had been satisfied with the identified goals of the early movement, everything would have been alright, probably, for a longer period of time.

But the incrementalist philosophy of the movement will push against society until society pushes back. It has always been so and thus it will always be.

But don't attack me, I am only the messenger.

[edit on 04/8/19 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Okay. Thanks for the mental health advice. You can't tell me that you never have the urge to take extreme action against some insult or another and you can't tell me you don't know hyperbole, irony, sarcasm and satire when you see them. You also surely noted that I restrain my instincts, which was my point.

I was being serious. But if you say you have control, cool. And no I can't say I haven't been really pissed, but not at something as minor as loud music in traffic.

You may choose to believe me or not. I no longer care if anyone beleives me, but nothing except death will prevent me from sharing my experience with those who will hear.

Well, if you really believe what you are stating, thanks for sharing, but personally I need my own experiences to decide my positions.

DBL POST

[edit on 19-8-2004 by TACHYON]

MOOOOOOLLLL







[edit on 19-8-2004 by TACHYON]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
But don't attack me, I am only the messenger.

[edit on 04/8/19 by GradyPhilpott]

The fact that you put that in there suggests that you know it's an unpopular stance. I feel like a liberal white guy in the south circa 1962. You know what's right, you know what's going to happen and still waste words with close-minded people.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I am sometimes tempted to blow the head off some knucklehead with his baseball cap turned backward and his car stereo vibrating my car and everything in it. Until I actually act on that impulse everything is okay. When actually ventilate his brain-housing group, there is a problem.

This is a little off thread, but should be addressed anyway. Are you serious about wanting to blow a hole in some punk kid's head because he has his music too loud? I hope not, if so you might wanna think about getting rid of any guns you may have. I know I would get rid of mine if I truly felt that way. It appears you are a Marine, if you just got back from a tour, you may want to seek assistance. I know they have programs to re-assimilate soldiers back into society. If you were just making a point, I'm afraid it's lost on me.

The gay agenda (and it is not the gay's alone) is to tear down society as you and I know it and rebuild it to their specifications. How do I know this? I have been schooled in their tactics and have been tutored in their philosophy. I have been a mole, albeit inadvertantly and in the process of my education.

You'd be surprised what you can learn when you let people make assumptions about who you are and keep your opinions to yourself. When you are trusted, people will volunteer everything.

Well, I guess you must know something we all don't, but maybe you should specify the nature of the threat a bit further, I for one do not understand what you mean.

Ive wanted to grab the nearest blunt object I have and beat the crap out of those punks who are good for nothing vandalizing an otherwise good place. And then drop off thier pain ridden bodies infront of their parents with a few messages burned into thier skin.

Ive wanted to grab the nearest blunt object I have and beat the crap out of those punks who are good for nothing vandalizing an otherwise good place. And then drop off thier pain ridden bodies infront of their parents with a few messages burned into thier skin.

Dude, I'm sorry but WTF?

Originally posted by intrepid

Ive wanted to grab the nearest blunt object I have and beat the crap out of those punks who are good for nothing vandalizing an otherwise good place. And then drop off thier pain ridden bodies infront of their parents with a few messages burned into thier skin.

Dude, I'm sorry but WTF?

Yes that is how I feel sometimes. I dont think there is anything wrong.

Originally posted by TACHYON

Originally posted by intrepid

Ive wanted to grab the nearest blunt object I have and beat the crap out of those punks who are good for nothing vandalizing an otherwise good place. And then drop off thier pain ridden bodies infront of their parents with a few messages burned into thier skin.

Dude, I'm sorry but WTF?

Yes that is how I feel sometimes. I dont think there is anything wrong.

Yes, I've seen this on both ATS and BTS and I'm still disturbed.

It would appear then, that there is at least some discussion intrest in this thread as some think this could be possible, and some just say stop gay bashing (which this is not)

intrepid says,

So America never learns then. I guess the gays are going to have to fight and scrape their way to equallity just like the Blacks and the women. It's a moot point, society, as a whole, believes in equallity, why fight it? In ten years this won't even be an issue.

Its not that America never learns, its that in a democracy with 250+ million people, things move slowly...(and they should for generational co-hesion and passing of our heritage...good/bad.

indeed, gays, like any other minority or special intrest group, will under democracy, need to build a concensus (majority) to reach their political goals. why is this bad? do you feel democracy isnt for you now?
Which other form of government would you suggest we adopt?

PLEASE stop perpetuating the idea that the suffering of women, or blacks under slavery/segregation are anyway NEAR the level of gays.
I do not see anyone not allowing gays to vote, own property, made to sit in the back of the bus, or use seperate toilets/resturaunts etc....not being able to marry PALES in comparison. I feel this is another "gay lie" meant to pull at heartstrings...just search for Cazmedia and gay oppression on ATS and you can read my full "where is this oppression" post. (not exact title)
BEFORE someone goes off, YES there are instances of INDIVIDULES gay bashing, crimes and discrimination, but these are not the same as INSTITUTIONALIZED GOVERNMENTAL FORMS of this same behaivior.

Equality.....hmm first id think the nation would have to agree on what this means in tangible terms..(where is the equality line is the question)..then society still has to work thru the DEMOCRATIC MEANS we have to impliment this.

Im not fighting this change, mearly trying to re-enforce the ground rules we as a nation have set into place for resolving these issues. lets not allow circumvention of democracy by either open violation of the process like in California, or thru POSSIBLE secret means such as this Mcgreevey/gay mole idea suggests. why not have a national vote?
we can always vote again to change the thing again...and again...and again..until either we are satisfied with the result, or accept this as a cultural value/norm.

Intrepid,
Grady has a valid point, HISTORY. Aside from knowing there have been gays thru time, and that in some minor cases they were tolorated as part of a culture...why has NO society until now institutionalized homosexuality into its laws or societal habits/rituals? why has no predominatly gay oriented society ever developed?
Indeed there are examples in history where an idea was pushed and pushed until a culture really cracked down on it.

I will not go as far as to agree with Grady 100% and say there will NEVER be a time where gays will not enjoy widespread social acceptance.
Heck they have that now...most polls say most people dont care about people being gay, but are not in favor of say gay marriage. The fact that restrictive/repressive laws against gays are not being passed, (gays asking for something new under the law is not the same as repressing gays) seems to show oppression is not occuring. in 20 yrs this gay idea has come a long way....but speed kills too. Hurrying change for changes sake is not usually the best plan (often it reflect the NO PLAN idea ive mentioned)


[edit on 19-8-2004 by CazMedia]

[edit on 19-8-2004 by CazMedia]

This thread is funny...just for the simple fact that some of you ACTUALLY think there is such a thing as a "Gay Agenda".

Its completely unfounded opinions from what appear to be the typical rantings of Homophobes! Seriously, some of you need get out and realize Homosexuals are just trying to live their lives how they want, make a descent living, and try to be true to themselves.

This thread really is total nonsense....