China's 1st Aircraft Carrier, Shi Lang, in Sea Trial: Report just hours old....

You know something is wrong with me when the first thing I think is "Gee, I like how it looks..."

reply to post by jonnywhite


HAHAHA, made me laugh johnnywhite! Nothing wrong with you, its the rest of the world thats somthing wrong with.

We should be able to think that way.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


I agree, no threat to the US at the moment. Some years in the future, will the US be able to maintain 11 SuperCarriers?

Their expense legendary, and with economic pressures some may go. We will see.

Nice one China, now try to land a plane on it.

I laughed when someone PM'd me from another thread and said "China now is a competing naval force."

Only 11 full fleets and likely 10 more full "ghost" fleets to go. China will be where the United States is currently in about 20 or 30 years.

reply to post by ateuprto
no i think with in 5 years, then maybe the west will wake up and say "oh $hitzs why we laughed and slept China was doing it, being thew real threat not just some talk threat now what do we do?" Let them have Taiwan or go to war simple as that, and or let Korea be one nation. Would china risk using nukes? would not put it past them.

some brief history as to what is going on , and we know what is for we the US helped them as far back as 1980's from the GAO link

From 1983 to 1989, many high-level defense visits took place between
the U.S. military and the People's Liberation Army (PLA).
Working-level contacts occurred in numerous fields, including
military education and training, logistics, quality assurance,
systems analysis, and military medicine. In June 1984, China became
eligible for Foreign Military Sales, which marked the beginning of
cooperation in the area of military technology. By 1987, four sales
agreements were signed: the $22-million large-caliber artillery
plant modernization program, the $8-million MK-46 Mod 2 torpedo sale,
the $62-million AN/TPQ-37 artillery-locating radar sale, and the
$500-million F-8 interceptor avionics modernization program. There
were also a limited number of commercial sales of defense equipment.

yea like the chips then pres BC sold to them , like he did not know that they could be used for mil use as in a guidance sys for missiles. the link goes on to say

On June 5, 1989, immediately after the massacre of pro-democracy
demonstrators at Tiananmen Square in Beijing, the President imposed
sanctions on China to protest its actions. The U.S. sanctions
targeted the Chinese military by suspending visits between U.S. and
Chinese military leaders and suspending all government-to-government
sales and commercial exports of weapons. The prohibition on military
equipment can be waived by the President if it is important to the
national interest or if he determines that China has made specified
progress on human rights.

so we give hand with the saying we will be as one then when you have prob we slap face and say no you can't, i will using tanks is not crowed control but then who teaches who how to use them? US or them. the GOA link www.fas.org...

reply to post by bekod


They need to be able to BUILD their own aircraft carrier before they can actually rival the United States, Russia, India...etc. They can't really give us a run for their money if they're stuck with just one, with no means to construct another.





@stumason - I already know what you've told me. In fact the tids about the aircraft carrier being Russian I've already posted about, this is the Varyag we're talking about. I've mentioned it twice.

I'd like to further add that the reality of the project being suspended...yes, suspended...is in fact very realistic.
It did happen both initially and again just a few months ago, it was both due to funding, and supplies.

reply to post by Shugo
you seem to fail at the obvious, once China does something they learn and then copy, it might not be as good as the original, but in mass numbers is what counts, say 5 to one. USN though the Carrier would not be sea trail worthy till 2017, USAF thought the first China 5th gen jet fighter was not flyable till 2019, China proved them wrong, China is the sleeping Dragon that has awakened, we should pay real close attention to it. Should we be afraid or fearful of them? NO!!! we should be ready for when they do come out the cave.

reply to post by Shugo
why did they buy it to see how it is built and then make their own, yes it is a Russian hull, the flight deck and main tower is their own, but if you look at the front it look like a Brit, the main tower USA hull Russian, now to think like them, China that is Let"s just copy and mass produce what has been proved worth and reliable we can mass produce like ford did with the car, if we loose one we can make 5 more. I do not think they will do this with a Nuke powered Carrier, but then would they need a nuke powered carrier? here is link for China's toys, we weapons www.china-defense-mashup.com...

Originally posted by Shugo
Why is it such a "threat" to anyone that they've developed an aircraft carrier, and built it? Seriously...it's not as if the US is the only country that should have one. As per the post in relation to "we'll have to worry about ships instead of missiles!" Um...no. By the time they tried to get it within a striking distance of the US at all, the Pacific Fleet would be well at the welcoming point.

I think this is a fine achievement, now if they can afford to run it, and stock it...that's the next question.


Also, OP: Nice update on developments, keep us posted!

edit on 9.8.2011 by Shugo because: (no reason given)

I think they can afford to 'run it' and 'stock it' with all the money the USA gave them in exchange for plastic toys, cheap clothes and various other assorted consumerism crap...........

Fairplay China............ all they are doing is what America did back in the mid late 40's.....

PDUK

They (China) know exactly what they are doing.

What are they doing ? building a force that the US will have to spend even more Dollars to counter.

They are applying pressure both Militarily and Economic upon the US.

As for the Shi Lang China has stated that she is a training ship, the four future hulls under construction will be entirely different, completely designed and built in China to match US Nimitz class carriers.

China doesn't need more than 4/5 Carriers, they know the US can never put it's entire Carrier fleet in one place as that would leave the US exposed in other theaters.

Can the US afford another four Carriers ? i don't think so.

Cosmic...

just i case your wondering how it did here is the latest news www.business-standard.com... no i did not sink nor did it have jets fly off it'd deck. form the link

Concerns over China's new aircraft carrier
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi August 16, 2011, 0:52 IST

Not so impressive and their navy lacks experience, but Beijing’s dreams & intentions cause worry

China’s first aircraft carrier returned to its home base of Dalian yesterday after a debut voyage of five days. The Chinese media describes the jubilation of a crowd at the dockside that, after witnessing the giant vessel emerge from a thick fog three km away, set off firecrackers to welcome home the most keenly watched warship in the resurgent People’s Liberation Army Navy, or PLA(N).

so what is the plan of the PLA(N)?

reply to post by Cosmic4life


Very good points however I will disagree with one thing. If China is matching our fleets we will certainly build more. Congress doesn't seem to mind spending money on new toys and if they can sell it to the people that it's for National Defense than I think they will do it.

reply to post by Cosmic4life
maybe not four but 2 more are in the makings CVN 78 and CVN 79 www.naval-technology.com... we have 11 active carriers, 13 is not a good number to have but then this is the navy we are talking about.

reply to post by bekod


Indeed but...

....CVN-78 Gerald R Ford will replace CVN-65 Enterprise which will be decommissioned.

I suspect CVN-79 will replace the Nimitz.

So your still at 11 Carriers.

Cosmic...

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by ateuprto

 

no i think with in 5 years, then maybe the west will wake up and say "oh $hitzs why we laughed and slept China was doing it, being thew real threat not just some talk threat now what do we do?" Let them have Taiwan or go to war simple as that, and or let Korea be one nation. Would china risk using nukes? would not put it past them.

5 years? You are dreaming right? You do know how long it took them to procure a 20 year old half-built carrier and get it sea-worthy right? 20-30 years is the MINIMUM amount of time it would take China to field a Navy that would be anywhere CLOSE to what the U.S. has NOW, let alone what we will procure in the same time-frame. I'm not sure you are respecting the actual size and capabilities of the U.S. Navy fleet.

reply to post by bekod


Um...no...it isn't.
The carrier's main structure, including the tower, and flight deck are all Russian developed, and designed. It was built with cheap Chinese parts, is the only difference. There's no part of the ship that appears British either, not sure where you're getting that whole flavor.

One needs experience to operate carriers and use them properly. China has none, while USA has more than 100 years of experience operating carriers and china's neighbor India has at least 40+ years of experience operating carriers.

I am not going to be worried for a couple of years or decades until they actually learn the tricks of the trade..

reply to post by Shugo
i said it looks like , i did not use the word "is". Just for fun lets look at them here is the Brit defensetech.org... here is the USN, CVN 74 and 69 www.navsource.org... one of the Russian carrier's www.naval-technology.com... one of the pic's of China's carrier news.yahoo.com... is this the ship? or is it this one 2.bp.blogspot.com... and that is from ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS just i case you think i made that up search.yahoo.com... and then at the bottem of this page asian-defence.blogspot.com... they call it the ford class carrier, here is the link asian-defence.blogspot.com...

reply to post by bekod


Yes you did:

the flight deck and main tower is their own

"Asian Defence News" at "blogspot" is not what I consider a valuble resource to cite either for that matter. Regardless if it simply "looks like" Russian/British, what's the difference?

You stated that the flight deck and the island were China's, when that's not true.