China's 1st Aircraft Carrier, Shi Lang, in Sea Trial: Report just hours old....

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by METACOMET

 

better do some reading then china to but 30 Su33 from Russia Russia says make it 40, you got deal that was back in 2009.

Would you mind providing a link or a source? To the best of my knowledge no such deal went through.

reply to post by Shugo
well it was flying, the F35 up till the 3rd www.lockheedmartin.com... from the link

Temporary Suspension of Ground and Test Flight Operations

August 3, 2011 – The F-35 Joint Program Office issued a fleet wide precautionary suspension of ground and flight operations earlier today. This action was taken as a result of an incident involving the F-35 conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant AF-4 and Edwards AFB, Calif.

the F22 is no longer all stop read it here, was to get them at hill AFB www.f22-raptor.com... from the link

Raptor wings clipped because of bad air up there

By William Cole

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jul 23, 2011

as to hill?? from the link

Hatch, Lee, Bishop Lead Effort to Keep Personnel at Hill Air Force Base

so what does this have to do with China's carrier? if it does go on active with the J20 or Su33, what does the US have to match it?

reply to post by kro32

Why do you think they would need an aircraft carrier to patrol the straights. They can just fly there from land.

Well, it would probably beneficial to attack Taiwan from the East, away from the main thrust of the islands defences. Would complicate any attempts to resupply or defend the island from sea.

There are reports of plans for 5 carriers, 2 nuclear supercarriers.

Would indeed complicate things.

reply to post by METACOMET
ok they did not buy it, they copied it english.pravda.ru...

China Creates Pirate Copy of Russia’s Su-33 Deck-Based Fighter Jet
04.06.2010


China’s Shenyang Aircraft Corporation created a copy of a Russian deck-based Su-33 fighter jet. The Chinese model of the aircraft was called J-15, Interfax reports with reference to the May issue of the Kanwa Asian Defence military publication.

now if you do the looking up j15 it will lead you back to the j20 now is the J20 revamped re copied Su33

The name is important! It reveals the purpose of the carrier.

Shi Lang (Chinese: 施琅; pinyin: Shī Láng; 1621-1696) was a Ming-Qing admiral who had extensive experience in southeastern China. He was commander-in-chief of the Manchu fleets which destroyed the power of the Zheng family and conquered the Kingdom of Tungning (now Taiwan) in 1681.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by METACOMET

They have no FlankerD's,or any jet based fighters as far as I'm aware, so this is basically a glorified helicopter dinghy.

They have Su-30mkk, J10B, J11BH(navalized version). Not enough for the States to worry (too much), but plenty to handle the likes of Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines. Japan would be a tougher nut to crack, even with 5 carriers.

India is also getting in the mix, with 3 carriers planned.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN

Heres a pic of her (him?) in port,

"It".

2nd.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
They have Su-30mkk, J10B, plans for J11.

The su-30mkk isn't carrier based. China doesn't even admit the existence of the J10B, though some picture have surfaced, so they may have 2-3 of them. The J11 isn't carrier based there but there have also been a few pictures speculated to be a J11BH Naval version, but again, in all probability they only have a handful and it would take 20 years or more for them to get anywhere close to manufacturing them in #s.

reply to post by METACOMET


J11BH - en.wikipedia.org...

They have now or will very soon have the capability to put together a serious fighting force off someones coast. Like I said earlier, not enough to challenge US, but local asian neighbors are definately worried.

China has tied up supply of its resources from Africa,South America and other places so logically just like the US it needs to develop a carrier fleet to guarantee open trade routes and support new 'friends' give it ten years and they will probably have strategic airlift and amphibious capabilities as well.

reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


good point. But I think their target date for 3 carriers is 2014. Amphib and airlift capability will probably be ramped up to match. Or maybe not.

One thing for certain, the South China seas and Indian ocean will never be the same.

Is it just me, or does China seem to be really dominating the news with muscle-flexing over the last week or so? The comments after the S&P downgrade were the harshest rhetoric I've heard from China against the US since the Maoist days. Now they are rolling out new toys. They may look quaint to some of you, but their very existence is a symbol of a rapidly changing world. If I were the paranoid type, heh heh, I might wonder, maybe too rapidly? Why is all this unfolding suddenly and simultaneously, almost like the rollout of a masterfully crafted, multi-stage plan? Operating in tandem with the arc of descent that is the fading of US unipolarity, perhaps...a simultaneous take-down-and-rise-up?

reply to post by silent thunder
oh this is been on an off again for the past 2 years, take it or leave it , one day we will wake up and see the red flag on the west coast. here is a link of the Su33 copy, AKA J15 www.freerepublic.com...

The aircraft carrier is much like the castles of the old days, it is a symbol of power and might just like the battleship was at the turn of the century. It is a big slow juicy ship that you can bet money on we will always have a sub within 100 mi of it and have a satellite on it constantly. We will always know were this thing is in the ocean. As for the aircraft it carries they may look mean and they might kick ass on paper but they have little naval aviation ex. compared to the US and other countries like Japan and the UK. The F/A-18E/D is an amazing and capable aircraft and would have no problems dealing with any aircraft now in service. You dont always need stealth to survive, our jamming equipment the SHornet can carry is the best in the world, plus the talent the pilots have dont even get me started.

There's a little tag underneath the boat that reads:

"MADE IN CHINA"

Nuff said!

IRM

reply to post by ErEhWoN


Sweet Jebus! If these ships are as badass as they look like, China will own the US Navy's ass pretty soon!

DO these things can fly as well? Or perhaps make attack from orbit?

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by METACOMET

 

J11BH - en.wikipedia.org...

They have now or will very soon have the capability to put together a serious fighting force off someones coast. Like I said earlier, not enough to challenge US, but local asian neighbors are definately worried.

edit on 10-8-2011 by ErEhWoN because: sp

edit on 10-8-2011 by ErEhWoN because: (no reason given)

ah-ha! This sounds like that legendary confrontation between the Bismark and the Royal Navy's equivalent to the Super Stardestroyer, the HMS Hood... originally not designed for confrontation with Britain's superior fleet, but ended up smashing their flagship down to bits.

well if it is built like everything else in china, it will probably sink from
something silly like a bad weld..
Also if they use the same quality of steel they sell us like, brake rotors
it will have serious expand and contracting issues and may sink from stress cracks..
Just look at the other stuff they build,.
Three gorges dam.
This colossal thing is falling apart, and threatens many lives.
All the Bridges that are falling apart in China.. year after year.. new construction..

No worries from me about this carrier,.. it will sink or have a major failure..

There is no need to freak out about this right now. As has previously been posted this is an old russian carrier. This is a prototype effectively. They will operate this for a while and work up thier operational doctrine for blue water power projection. The following indigenous product will incorporate the lessons learned.

Its a statement of intent.

This is not for Tiawan. To take tiawan they need to deny the USA access and they intend that with submarines and missiles. This is for projecting power further afield to ensure China gets the resources it needs in the 21st century in exactly the same way that the USA has done in the latter half of the 20th.

Its all about resources and demographics in the end. All else is noise.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


hmmm.. wouldn't that be considered a WMD?

and 5 more.. wow..