Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

reply to post by semperkill


Love that comment, and thanks for being a hero semper

And who said the Army and Marines can't get along

Let's STOP THIS KIND OF TALK right now ! Didn't we learn from the 'Nam exercise that the troops are not the problem? Just look at the demographic makeup of the grunts on the ground (male and female this time) holding the weapons, they are lower socio-economic and what do they know?

If you want to shout at somebody, shout at the various elements in Washington. They make the decisions.

Me? even tho I think 'Nam was a mistake then and now, I will not let down the innocent guys and girls wearing our camos in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan or wherever. You don't have to call me Patriot, I'll be satisfied being "sensible".

Originally posted by semperkill
reply to post by Paroxysm

 

That is idiotic.
1. I work for the goverment so if there is a "side" i have already chosen

Do you work for the government, or for the people of this nation (you should know by now that they are not one in the same)?

The government does indeed cut your check, but how do you think they acquired the money to pay it? What happens when they no longer can cut the check, then who do you work for (mercenary for hire :puz?

reply to post by cavscout11cav


You are correct. I may have been part of the reason why this thread has gone in that direction. Do me a favor stop thanking us. We get paid and are truly an all volunteer professional force. We dont need your thanks. Just your taxes. Keep paying them or we will come to your house burn it down cut off your penis and rape your women in the town square. All the while singing GOD BLESS AMERICA......

reply to post by muzzleflash


I can tell you have never served your country just like many others on here to be able to say this stuff! I can tell you first hand that American Soldiers think they are doing good for our country because they are lied to just like every other American! Yes there are some military personnel to blame, most of them being Generals, and higher ranked officers. If you want to blame anyone though, you should blame our government for lying to the Troops and the American People!

We should thank our Troops because if another country attacked us here at home (no matter if the U.S. is at fault) they would be the ones protecting you and I. I like that comfort so....THANK YOU TROOPS!!!

reply to post by METACOMET



No, BUT I am surprised at your plagiarism. It was quite eloquent how you took Henry David Thoreau's words, copied, then pasted them. It was rather smooth how you made it look like an intelligent thought/question.

Any other authors you would like to plagiarize? A clear violation of the T&C ..... I would assume after 4 years you would know this..

Anyone else puzzled by the fact that a soldier is applauded who refuses to serve in an unjust war by those who do not refuse to sustain the unjust government which makes the war?

Henry David Thoreau
www.constitution.org...

reply to post by muzzleflash


I believe most of our troops just do as they are ordered. The real culprits are the military industrial complex and the elite who created the war that are so mean and non thinking to the citizens of the countries and to our own troops, they crazies ordered the nuclear in the ammo. My big fear is when they turn our troops on us, the troops just follow orders. However I have seen some mean troopers who were complete idiots but not all.

reply to post by type0civ


No, I am not. Boeing makes military craft and equipment for the military. I admit that I was a bit hyperbolic when I said their business model was "entirely" dependent on a constant state of war. It is not "entirely" dependent on a constant state of war. But it is certainly dependent on war:

Boeing ...profit hurt by 787, defense cuts

Half of Boeing’s revenue is from defense and space-related work.

Drawing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and cutting defense spending as a result affects Boeing's bottom line. If war were to cease tomorrow...what do you think would happen to Boeing?

reply to post by Paroxysm


So you are going to stop paying taxes..Then we will come get you and take what is ours......

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and it is great to disagree with the current military involvement in regions around the world. I for one am very skeptical about what is going on at the present moment as well. The only people that need to have their feet held to the fire are the politicians because they are the ones allocating the the funding for the wars, and declaring the wars. In my personal opinion, that diatribe in the OP was nonsense. Again, more useless rhetoric and painting those in the military with a broad stroke. They are not all murderers, rapists, and pillagers. Are there bad apples? Of course there are! In any man made institution there will be some bad apples. Still, it is unfair to paint each and everyone in the military as a vile and detestable human being.

They have families, and feel the same way as most feel about the direction the country is going. Unlike us, they are bound by orders and the chain of command. They have to go were ordered by the President and the Congress. Only recently, our President and his brethren were using their pay and benefits as a political bargaining chip in the latest debt negotiation stage play. To put it simply, they go where the politicians tell them to go. The buck stops in the Washington, and everyone on this thread should know that!

If it was not for the steadfast duty and sacrifice of our military we would be speaking Japanese, German, or Russian. So soon we forget the Second World War and the Cold War? The world is not all peaches and cream, and not all black and white. Again, everyone in America is entitled to an opinion and I take no offense in anyone voicing it. Some will, but I can care less. Some feel the same way about my opinions, and more power to them. Opinions are like (insert expletive) and everyone has got them. However, I take a offense at those who wish to believe they are so high and mighty to paint people with a broad stroke. Feel free to carry on folks, and enjoy another liberty so aptly defended by those you wish to ridicule and belittle. Now without further adieu, let the attacks commence!

Originally posted by semperkill
reply to post by cavscout11cav

 

You are correct. I may have been part of the reason why this thread has gone in that direction. Do me a favor stop thanking us. We get paid and are truly an all volunteer professional force. We dont need your thanks. Just your taxes. Keep paying them or we will come to your house burn it down cut off your penis and rape your women in the town square. All the while singing GOD BLESS AMERICA......

Well I guess tht means you do know where the money for your paycheck is coming from. We are tapped out bro and have been taxed till there is nothing left...if you come to MY house, you would be wise to bring your whole f'n platoon...this is America, not China or Brittan...and mos of us ARE armed.

See you out on the soon to be battlefield amerika...

Originally posted by wcitizen

This article is written by an American about US troops.but Imo it applies to troops in pretty much all Western countries at the very least.

Like the author, I'm sure I will be flamed for posting this, but I feel I have to.

tvnewslies.org... for-doing-so.html

Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people. As a matter of fact, they are more likely to turn their weapons on you than they are to defend your Constitutional rights.

The only people on this planet Earth who can affect your freedom are members of Congress, local legislators and the members of enforcement institutions who will blindly follow the rulers who sign their paychecks. And, while your beloved troops are murdering people around the globe, yes, I said murdering, your Congress and local legislators are eliminating your freedoms, en masse, without any intervention by our so-called protectors in the armed forces.

There is no honor in volunteering to go anywhere in the world and kill anybody you are told to, without question, without historical background and without verifying the stated reasons for doing so. In this modern age of information we now know that time and time again our military have been deployed into battle, to kill and be killed, for reasons that in no way shape or form resemble the reasons for which they, or we were told at the time. This is no secret, although many Americans refuse to take off the flag that is wrapped around their eyes and see American history as it really happened. They blindly believe what was told to them by the people who have a vested interest in maintaining myths and misconceptions.

The US military, not once but twice, committed the single largest mass murders in history by dropping nuclear weapons on civilian populations, including of course, on women and children. Say what you want about how it helped end the war....the bottom line is the US could have exploded these devices over uninhabited territory with the same effect of scaring the heck out of the Japanese. But they followed orders that were lies and murdered almost 300,000 people, without question. As a human being I find it hard to honor such “patriotism.”

I realise this will upset many, but if we are to have any chance of being successful in overcoming the criminals in charge and their criminal systems, there are some paradigmatic shifts which must take place .... even if that involves the debunking of a sacred cow.

It's my impression that In the US the military tends to be revered more so than in Europe. I believe this has been encouraged and inculcated by the MSM, politicians and Hollywood, and is all part of the sham they have presented to the public as real.

My intent in posting this is not to offend, but to defend what is true. Sounds a little like brain washing by finding something wrong with our American country and then going on with it from there.

But I definitely agree, the US government can calculate but not think! You and I both know that the aliens which have been visiting Earth since ancient times won't be denied their acknowledgement as existing entities. I think that the world is headed for disaster with one sole purpose in mind. And that purpose is so alien technology can save us!
As Skunkworks worker Ben Rich has stated We already have the technology to journey to the stars but that it would take an act of God for it to ever benefit humanity. And thus I'm waiting for the day when the whole world dies. The Dissident Aggressor

edit on 9-8-2011 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)

reply to post by type0civ


Really?

3 : Boeing Co. Latest news on Boeing Top 100 Revenue:
$10,462,626,196 Current Revenue
Defense revenue: $8,188,884,907
Civilian revenue: $2,273,741,289

2010 Top 100 Contractors

i'm a veteran and i actually whole heartedly agree

whenever someone thanked me for my service i was almost dumbfounded

i wasn't brainwashed in boot camp

i have zero 'moto-tats'

i knew the entire time i was only going to be in for my contracted time:

five years active duty, three inactive reserve

when i was overseas, as a boot all i thought about was coming home

as a squad leader, all i cared about was getting my guys home

even as a teen i made up my mind pretty much about the bull# being fed to us

if people only knew how far off the mark they are...about everything

don't support the troops, support freedom itself, the idea

most of the military doesn't share my beliefs, which have taken me my whole 24 years to cultivate and shape

reply to post by semperkill


Looks like the IRS has a new employee. Stuff your taxes where the sun don't shine. Our government is a pos and does not deserve tax money OR any money.

I just have one question . The OP said that we are not protecting Americas freedom and we should not be thanked.

1. Dont thank us. Do you see trops moping around asking for thank. I dont expect special treatement.
2. Right now in this intant. If America were to be invaded . Like a no crap they are on their way invasion. Do you believe that we (the troops you dont want to thank) would stop them.
I think that is what this come down to please answer the question. I would love to hear your answer

reply to post by k21968

My husband served 22 yrs as a military police narcotics/explosives dog handler in the US ARmy. He retired last April.

Not only did your husband not defend anyone's rights, he took a giant crap on them, by willingly signing up to harass people for exercising their rights?

Logic. It wins.

I, of course, disagree with you. I thank him everyday for his selfless service.

selfless [ˈsɛlflɪs]
adj
having little concern for one's own interests
selflessly adv
selflessness n

>He did it to earn his money
>did it to earn his money
>it to earn his money
>to earn his money
>earn his money
>his money
>money

Lol. Selfless.

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For our family, it was join the military or be a drain on society and draw welfare because there are no jobs in our little appalachian hometown. He did it to earn his money.

No universities either?

You are entitled to your opinion, because the blood of many soldiers gave you that right.

That is absolutely ignorant.

The military does not give us our rights.

Let me educate you, because you're obviously incapable.

LINK

Excerpt from The Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

en·dow (n-dou)
tr.v. en·dowed, en·dow·ing, en·dows
1. To provide with property, income, or a source of income.

2.
a. To equip or supply with a talent or quality: Nature endowed you with a beautiful singing voice.

b. To imagine as having a usually favorable trait or quality: endowed the family pet with human intelligence.

3. Obsolete To provide with a dower.

So it would seem that our Founding Fathers felt that we were endowed with our rights by a higher power. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the military "gives" me my rights. Especially not the military we have had since the civil war.

Am I missing something??

Originally posted by minesweeper

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by milkyway12
Yeah im unwilling to exert energy , because until you stand up and change the people giving the orders then you must approve of it. So we follow them. If you dont like it , do something about it , not my job.

I agree with the op in many ways.

But you point is extremely valid.

We (the masses) allow our politicians to use our military for the corporate agenda.

Our tax money pays for the weapons.

We are just as responsible as those that join the military.

They really are just trying to do the right thing (most of them).

as i stated in one of my earlier post, mine and everyone's taxes are stolen from us. most are taking automaticly before we get our paycheck, even if they were'nt we would be jailed for not paying on our own. simpliy put, we have no choice but to pay and only a vote to make the choice as to how they are spent, and voting is a joke in of it's self and a whole nother topic.

We choose to participate.

Out of fear of going to prison? Maybe.

But we still allow it to happen...

reply to post by dalan.


Nice breakdown you are obviously a product of an AMERICAN education. Not a german or japanese one.

I think rather than not thanking them we just need to start with automatic deprograming. Those brainwashed soldiers are told every possible thing that they would want to hear to justify their actions. I just got finished with my speech class and it is made perfectly clear that politicians (congress and the senate included) smile through their teeth. They are taught to speak a certain way with everyone they come in contact with. They know exactly what they are doing and do it because the jarhead military is like the politicians' massive crazy dog on a leash. They also use racism to fuel the hate for wanting to go to war with other nations. As long as there are people out there wanting death, war and dictatorous rule these things won't stop. I believe there are good souls misguided by the world, and the military powers have taken some of those souls, without question. I know until the actual peace keepers turn their weapons on those OBVIOUSLY responsible (World Leaders and Banksters) and recycle the ENTIRE system out, the pain and suffering will continue...