New Member With Interesting Situation

Wow, this is a pretty amazing story, I'm hooked! There are a lot of great suggestions here within this post, too bad the author isn't around each night to give us updates.

Some advice to get rid of the nay-sayers and skeptics, along with possibly getting some valuable feedback: Produce some physical evidence like snapshots of these people or vehicles that stalk you. A picture of something that has been tampered with, etc. Anything. Any evidence is better than no evidence. A disposable camera can be as cheap as like 5 bucks, and is probably a good investment to have anyway so you can capture quality family moments, everyone should have a camera.

Anyway, when this thing said "hi" to your wife, did she attempt to converse with it, or was she scared? Hopefully she wasn't because you said you believe this thing to be protecting you. I really really like the idea of just being straight forward and out when dealing with this thing. You should confront it, call it out, demand to talk to it, be firm on your stance, etc etc. As someone mentioned, stranger things really HAVE happened.

I too think the father in law is an integral part of this whole experience, and the fact that he is so elusive really bothers me. Even if he has nothing to do with this specific case, he's bound to have some other knowledge that people like me and other readers would be dying to know!!

Now does this "thing" still get stuff from the fridge and use the toilet? I would just be curious to know. This may sound disturbing, but maybe if it uses the toilet again you could get a DNA sample and have someone test it to see if anything strange is found.

Last comment: About the music and choir-like voices. Do you experience this at random times during the day, or when you first wake up? It could be part of a dream or type of sleep paralysis during which you hear this, and sounds/music is a possible symptom. This is where some artists get their musical concepts from, they claim to hear "music from the angels." Anyway, just some thoughts, I will be keeping an eye on this thread because I'm fascinated. I have a lot of other ideas/suggestions/comments AND questions, but my post is long enough already. Keep it going with the updates, that's what we crave!

Originally posted by everlastingnoitall
I know it sounds really far fetched, and we're not really scared of the entity, but are extremely curious as to WTF is going on.

Forgive me, but I've only read the initial post to this thread. Also forgive me for asking a question that might be personal, but I only ask because I think it might be relevant.

Do you and your family lead a relatively clean life, or at least have you led a life virtually free of drugs and alcohol for a long time? A life of honest work and little escapist activities, such as mind and personality altering substances? Is your free time filled with many activities in moderation, rather than one or two consuming activities such as television?

I wonder these things because I've heard many times that those whom ETs choose to make contact with, or at the very least monitor regularly, are generally of sound minds and healthy bodies.

Have you, yourself, or anyone else for that matter, noticed this pattern?

While my wife does take Zoloft for depression, in general:

We are both Christian in our heritage and beliefs
Never drugs or alcohol
No major surgeries
Pretty 'clean' overall.
I love politics
We both use the internet heavily
We both read lots of books and media
Neither one of us tend to watch much tv, except for the various Dicovery channel incarnations.

[edit on 5-10-2004 by everlastingnoitall]

[edit on 5-10-2004 by everlastingnoitall]

hello, i would like to say this is amazing, i have spent 2 hours of my life reading this, you realy should walk up to that old man (if he is still following you) and say say something like "were you in the black van to?"


God bless

Any response to the questions that I just posted? I noticed you were on at the time. Anyway, keep it up with these updates, I'm trying to do some research now and see if other occurances like this have happened much, basically any sort of thing that can help at all.

I've been reading here at ATS for quite some time, but this story compelled me to register and become a member.

My advice:

Be sure that you convey a sense of security to this being. If it thinks that you will harm it, it will be resistant to communicating with you. Here's what I think is going on, and maybe a reason for you to worry. If aliens do exist, it would be safe to say that they have offspring. It is also safe to assume that aliens have very advanced technology. The actions that you describe seem to me to be actions of a child. Maybe an alien child has run off with a cloaking device, or active camoflauge system, and just happened to run into you? It has stayed safe with you, and follows you where you move because it believes that it is safe? Maybe telling your father in law is a bad idea. Tell him that whatever has been following you is gone, and see what he says.

If the alien has stolen this technology, it is probably in danger of being killed, hence its reason to stay hidden. Maybe with the device, it is absolutely able to avoid detection.

You said that you have recently moved. Have you ever been back to your old house? It might be interesting to go back and visit and see if their is any odd surveilance going on?

I don't know, just keep us posted because it is absolutely thrilling and intriguing!!

Very interesting story.I also believe the father-in-law is the key.He is most likely hiding something.I think military officials use their own children as experiments.If you think about it alot of children of military personnel are always involved in some type of conspiracy or whatnot.For example one of the columbine shooter's father was in the army.

Be patient with the visitor.Things will pick up.Don't try to force nothing on it.In time it might even show itself.I suggest you take up meditation it might help you out with the communication part.oh yea,when you finally see it then worry about getting some proof until then breathe easy.

This thread is brilliant!!!!

Like people have said the father may be the key to some missing pieces of the jigsaw.

The drawings on the bathroom mirror are very interesting i would really like to see some photos of the mirror with writing if it happens again.

I have had some strange experiences three or four months ago i started noticing something in the corner of my eye i would turn to see what it was but no one would be there but i could sense there was. I also woke one night to see a figure stood by the side of the bed i couldnt see what it was as my vision was very blurry i tried to correct my vision but still it was blurry i could just see an outline.
Since then i have been very open to the theorys on the greys etc. where as before i didnt really have an interest in anything now im doing a science course at my college and have been very eager to work with research on UFO's, ET's etc.

And you take your time i myself do not mind if you cannot post here all the time


[edit on 7-10-2004 by devil9t9uk]

I get the same thing with my eyes.I always catch something outta the corner of my eye.I discussed it with my friends one time and one of my friends say he knew what i was talking about and he had really gotten scared one time when it happened.Alot of people say it's just your eyes and it's nothing but i believe it is something more.

Yes, its something more, its you brain trying to make sense of the information it gets.

Do not forget that our peripheric vision is made for detecting movement, while the central vision is the one with more definition, so any little thing moving makes us turn the head.

I have a couple of questions:
1. The dark van you mentioned... Do you still see it when the thing is around? Did you ever see what kind it is: make, model, license?
2. Do you ever hear noises from it? Floors creak as it moves about?
3. Does it follow you when you are not at home, like on vacation? If it does, I'd suggest taking a vacation and not telling your father-in-law where you're going. It might confirm if he has anything directly to do with the entity.

This is hands down the best thread I've ever read on ATS! I'm not totally convinced this is real, nor am I convinced it's fake.

I agree. I have a lot more questions for the original poster but he seems to have left.

Jupiter, I haven't left, but as I've mentioned many times on this thread, I cannot post at regular intervals.

I am thinking of starting an ATS blog, if still available, where I can update and other things. We'll see.

In answer to your questions:

1) The van no longer is around. However, we have been noticing a dark colored pickup truck (like a full size GM model maybe), only at night, and only since I had the conversation a few weeks ago with my father-in-law (on page 5).

2)Yes, we hear it alot. It is especially fond of our bedroom, and playing in the upstairs. It has moved objects in the room, folded articles of dirty laundy I have left on the floor, and seems to 'jump and wrestle' on our bed while we are downstairs (I can't really describe that further, since we are downstairs when we hear the noises). In fact, I had a neighbor I share a wall with come over and tell me to stop making so much noise upstairs recently while only myself and my wife were home, and both downstairs at the time. It can be heard saying things now once in awhile, although we have yet to be able to understand the speech (read the post about the chorid like noises above).

3) We haven't been able to determine for sure if it follows us on vacation or not, although I lean toward not because of an incident about a year and a half ago.

We had come up to the area on vacation visiting relatives. We were living in Southern IL at the time. My mother called me one afternoon telling me she was watching my house because she had gone into it (we left her the keys) to deliver our mail and heard a man's voice in the back bedroom, accompanied by what she said sounded like someone rummaging through empty hangers in our closet. She tip toed towards the bedroom, and swears to this day she heard 'it/him' dial a number on the phone (my phone at the time had a very audible keypad) and begin talking to someone, although she could not understand what was being said. She left the house, but stayed near, where she could watch for someone coming out (we were having problems with a nephew at the time who had been seen breaking into other family member's homes, so she didn't call the police), but after an hour or so, she went back into the house and found nothing. The only thing she said she found was the phone lying in the floor in the back bedroom, when my wife and I had left it in the cradel in the livingroom so the battery would be charged when we got back.

Needless to say, she did not go back in the house until we got back, although she did go by to check fromt he outside from time to time.

when you check your phone bill are there any strange numbers on them??


definately the best thread here.


why don't you ask some more questions of your father inlaw? poke him some more and see what he does. sounds like he made some deal or something involving his daughter/your wife.

To be real honest, i read thru the first about 3 pages...then i skipped here to the last page [#8]

would you be at all familiar with Hermetics and Majick ?
then down that path to 'elementals'...

well, you know some majicians and such actually do create
special, unique, elementals ...essentially spirit entities...but the
specific elementals that are created or conjured up Are for special
purposes, sometimes for long extended times - like years, decades,
even human lifetimes.

google up: Hermetics elementals Doppelganger
................. these are 3 seperate searches !

scan thru Bardons' Hermetics & the advanced stuff about creating
your own elemental for some purpose or need or just about anything

Maybe this got tossed around on the many pages & posts i went by without scanning...i donno

Also, you or some family member is possibly conjuring up this spirit
slave entity...thats' not so far fetched as it may seem.

consider your reply to the query about mind altering substances etc.
and your 'really pretty clean' self-judgement critique.

without addressing all the many twists & psychological turns...one
potential model could be that behind the outward self which is moderate
and controlled and forthright etc,,,,there is a alter-ego which manifests
as a mischevious and beligerent elemental which brings a [welcomed]
excitement & energy into the extended family circle you all have.

additionally...this entity could be created from the pent up energies of more than one member of the house/family/clan/...

A complete investigation is required, as suggested earlier...

If I havn't been helpful...i hope this was entertaining at least

PS: the Hyde and Dr Jeckyl syndrome is quite real and can go far
beyond the schizophrenic model ie a single soul with 2 opposite 'faces'
--> In the rare circumstance, of a wizard caliber person, either accidently or
deliberatly creates their own 'opposite polar' Doppelganger !!

Very interesting! A doppleganger? Hadn't thought of that.

You all have given me lots to think about, and this is a long, slow process for me trying to digest this all and figure out where and how to proceed. The Majick side of this is an interesting and thought provoking side, especially for me, being a christian and being raised christian. Brings up a point, in fact.

I have always believed in being able to 'cast out' spirits at will, through the power embued from God to the believer. I have seen this in action and have performed it myself in fact. That is one of the reasons I do not believe this to be a 'demon' or the like, as some have suggested to me. I can't get rid of it by prayer or any methods generally effective against such entities. Therefore, in my twisted mind, at least, it is not an 'evil' spirit.

I'm going to have to check out the Majick twist, along with several other possibilities I have been working on. Until I have a definite theory and experiment, I'll just keep giving updates and relating relevant information as it becomes necessary, warranted, asked for or otherwise prudent. Again, thank you all for your tremendous help.

everlasting

I just started reading this post, and didn't bother to read all the way through the eight or so pages.

Perhaps (if it is a being) it does not want to be seen. For something that is already hard to see, it might be impossible to see if not wanting to be seen, catch my drift?

Why not try asking it some questions? If you see something out of the corner of your eye, just start speaking to it like it were your friend. If your not up to that yet (or simply don't want to be seen talking to air) Leave a sheet of paper and marker or crayon on a desk. Just leave it there, perhaps write a question on it, or leave it blank.

My point is to some day ask it to be photographed, since I am to assume that all attempts at capturing it on film have failed thus far.

Dude, this has certainly brightened up my (rather dull) sunday morning at work! I am very intrigued and will be watching this with interest.. I wont offer any thoughts at present, as many questions have been asked already so far, but I will be watching and will offer any help needed.

(although, on the ATS game thing....intriguing thought, also interesting to note no mods have so far posted on this thread, unlike many others..... jury is out on wether this is a hoax or not, but makes a good read anyhow!)