Riots in Tottenham, London

reply to post by Dr Expired


Ahhh what does this thread have to do with the "immigrant" problem?

ALS

Originally posted by Dr Expired
As a born in England world traveller it is sad to see my motherland so divided by race and religious tensions, all imported problems , due mainly to greed (property investors wishing to profit by immigration.
I have no problem with any race or creed but they seem to have issues with British law and order laws?
A logical and wise method to ensure harmony and peace is to not introduce disharmony on a large scale into your sphere, it is too late now for the UK it has too many divisions.
There are English born , leaving the island to get away, so they can feel at home somewhere not so heavily influenced by Eastern european thugs and Muslim fanatics.
Multiculturism is a fine and beautiful concept, but not at the expense of the host nations own culture and survival.
live and let live, just make sure you don't get killed.

Yes, for you that might be true, but what about all us refugees who call England home? Are we less than you? I was born in England, this is my home, too. May be it's good that those kind of english who have that much of an aversion to people from different cultures are leaving. Must really love their country so very much to leave at the first stroke of trouble.

This is karma for the UK. The UK and the old British Empire have been so cruel in history, very barbaric. They make the Romans look like a a convent of nuns.

I love the UK, too. My UK is one that is diverse yet appreciates a basic concept of humanity.

You just carry on thinking only the english are true human beings and I'll just carry on waiting for you guys to run from the sinking ship and go and annoy the Spanish as ex pats or something.

Originally posted by Revolution9

Originally posted by pazcat
Don't shoot at cops first then if you don't want them to shoot at you.
Just sayin'.

Where is there a mention of the guy shooting the cops? Please provide...

A police officer's radio was found to have a bullet lodged in it afterwards, suggesting they may have narrowly escaped being struck.

Officers had been attempting to carry out an arrest under the Trident operational command unit, which deals with gun crime in the black community, according to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

An IPCC spokesman said that at around 6.15pm on Thursday, officers from Trident, accompanied by officers from the Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), stopped a minicab to carry out an arrest.

"Shots were fired and a 29-year-old man, who was a passenger in the cab, died at the scene," he said.

It is believed that two shots were fired by a firearms officer, equipped with a Heckler & Koch MP5 carbine.

A non-police issue handgun was recovered at the scene as well as the police radio.

"Both the radio and the handgun are being sent for expedited forensic tests," the spokesman said.

www.guardian.co.uk...

The guy had a gun, they were trying to arrest him for gun related crime, a bullet was found lodged in a radio and a non police issue gun was found. His girlfreind had described him as paranoid.
If you even have a gun and don't drop it when told by the police you WILL be shot.
Fair call if you ask me.

reply to post by Revolution9

No killing is justified.

I have to disagree with this statement.

Where is your compassion? But from what you state, there is the possibility that the shot man may have opened fire first. Accepted as a possibility, but don't be the judge just yet until it is known for a fact.

Your right I shouldn't judge until I know the facts but from what I do know it seem the police were well within their rights.

ALS

reply to post by neonitus

You do not know who shot first! Nobody should be killed in gunfire, this is not the US and obviously these people feel the Police were not justified in shooting him down so I say good on them. We cannot just go by what the Police say in these events, the US is a prime example how those who enforce the law would not hesitate to cover themselves and give false stories.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by Revolution9

 

No killing is justified.

I have to disagree with this statement.

Where is your compassion? But from what you state, there is the possibility that the shot man may have opened fire first. Accepted as a possibility, but don't be the judge just yet until it is known for a fact.

Your right I shouldn't judge until I know the facts but from what I do know it seem the police were well within their rights.

ALS

I expect you are right, but tensions are running high right now. There is too much poverty in the UK. Some people and often whole communities are very desperate. Treat people bad and this is what happens.

Personally, I would never destroy property and have never practised violence against any human being. I hate violence very much. But I know what it is like to be an alien in this country. The UK is very nasty that way. Very alienating and bigotted.

reply to post by OwenGP185


Gotta agree with you there, I'm pretty sure there was no reaction on a scale like this when the man in Brixton got gunned down by the police for having a gun shaped lighter, so we're definitely not hearing the full story in my opinion, there's a reason why people in tottenham are going off, besides the fact that its a chance to create a bit of chaos.

Long time lurker, first time poster. This post may need a new topic, but it is relevant here I believe.

A few months back there was a discussion on New Orlean's police being replaced by a federal law enforcement agency and a link to disinfo.com. The article itself was a bit alarming, but what really set me aback was a post in the discussion thread by "Umm Duh".

What concerns me is the accuracy of what has happened in the US since I saw it posted. Mainstream media creating the saliency of a hot summer, a late summer financial collapse, riots and youth violence coinciding (as in coincidently) , and US troops coming back home. All occurring after the post which was 3 months ago. Could these riots in London signal the start of the upheaval described by Umm Duh?

Please read it and maybe the whole community organizing thing Umm Duh describes is real?

www.disinfo.com...

Police carrying around MP-5 sub machineguns?

The peasants trying to arm themselves with handguns?

Silly English. Don't you know that slaves are not allowed to own guns? Get back in line, get back to work.

Remember.

SLAVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OWN GUNS!
SLAVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OWN GUNS!
SLAVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OWN GUNS!

reply to post by Firefly_


Someone kills a cop, threatens other policemen so the policemen shoot the criminal dead. So you start to riot, not only torching police cars, but public busses and businesses too.

Yeah, that's getting back at the man!

reply to post by Revolution9


Did I say anything of any sort you suggest?
Multi culturism is fine, but a mass importation of criminally minded is not.
Or are we saying Britain has not imported organised crimed mafia recently?

10% About the Shooting.
10% About the Protest.
80% About the LOOTING & DESTRUCTION!

We in the UK never miss the chace for a good riot

We in the UK never miss the chance for a good riot

reply to post by Tachalka


Most likely it was the trigger that caused the long growing frustration to bust out.

By the way a cop who shot someone in the UK? Wasn't only a small % of you police force armed with firearms (i know they changed something about this but not exactly what)

And you have access to CCTV in London? ain't that interesting, what's your job if i may ask?

Let's just hope it doesn't turn into full blown mayhem. I love to see people protesting but rioting gets people nowhere but into more problems

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
Watching live on sky news now, cars burnt out, shops looted, one shop set on fire, Now a double decker has been set on fire. So its no feeble riot as some have out it is getting alot more serious.

So it's spreading from anger towards cops to anger towards anyone?

Hmm... seems to me they forgot why they are rioting in the first place.. it's not like the shopowner killed the guy..

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps


Why do the British need guns when we will stand up for ourselves unarmed? As this story shows, they can gun down one person but they cant gun down us all. Im glad we dont all have guns, they are not needed and only bring death. Just saying its better to riot and protest then sit and do nothing with a gun in you're pocket.

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