Do you have a relationship with the creator of the universe?

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Dear fooks,

"What's an ark". LMAO. I did not watch the Cosby show; but, his stuff from the 60s was just too funny, not political, just really insightful and funny. My opinion, not explanation of the bible, is that God likes a laugh as much as anyone. We fart therefore God must find it amusing. People have such serious God rather than knowing one that is within us, that must be like us because it says he is; therefore, he must have the best jokes.

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The reason why you don't fall through the sidewalk or the reason why your fingers don't go through the keys on your keyboards is that electromagnetic energy is pushing the atoms of your fingers away from the atoms of the keyboard. Gravity and electromagnetic weak and electromagnetic strong force are separate from one another and do not entirely depend upon one another.

Originally posted by aerie60

Originally posted by dilly1

Like I said before ,all faiths are horrific. They are truly the only evil. Once you have faith you believe in the dark and the light, you believe in the devil or angles. It all comes from the construct of your imagination. Its all in your head buddy. And the only safety net you have is faith. The very same thing that restrains your appetite for enlightenment. The older you get the worse inside you will become. I pitty you and all people who believe in any god. You are handicapped.

Sorry but it's extremely difficult to speak truisms in language. I believe in the physics of the Creation, albeit somewhat flexible, per the constraints of Planck's Constant and such. I don't believe in a supreme being capable of interdiction.

If you want to pity me, that's your prerogative. This body does surely suffer greatly. But the (legal) name that I held and defended for many decades is cleared, vindicated, exonerated and absolved forever. That thingamabob is beyond reproach. That's the feature that allows me to "wash my hands" of the entire unsavory human experience, never to reincarnate, never to hate or want revenge, never to kowtow to images of demigods past or present. The Devil (again, for lack of better terms) wants to recall me to its stables. It tries to follow my glory into the light of day. That's what spells it's eventual downfall.

Again, language is sorrowfully inadequate. The End is truly nigh.

edit on 4-8-2011 by aerie60 because: for better clarity, changed phrase "any god" to "a supreme being"

I suggest you read on the Essenes.


Yahushua, Ya'akov(which were both called equally JESUS) and John the baptist were leaders of this jewish sect. They were the only remanence left of the true jewish people. The rest of the jews were hellenistic jews. Corrupted do to european influence. After John and Yahushua's death James(Yaakov) was the only one to lead the true word of the Essenes. Saul came to hunt down and destroy james(last standing pillar of the Essenes) and once educated by Jame's teaching ,Saul returned to Jerusalem as Paul. But Paul being a Hellenistic jew, did not understand the cryptic stories from James. Ancient hebrew scripture similar to egyptian is extremely cryptic . Hellenistic culture does not understand codes,metaphors or any text that is cryptic. They take everything at face value. So Paul professed what he saw as truth ,how he saw it fit, how roman/greeks would understand it. So when you here "turned water into wine " ,its really a metaphors. The actual miracle never happened. The cryptic meaning meant non believers were the water ,but once informed of the truth you turn into wine.


Paul and Peter(who had nothing to do with the Essesnes or nothing to do with James following) set the foundation for their own version of christianity. By the time of Constatine Christianity was meshed with Manichism and Mirthra religions. Constatine and his defendants morphed all three beliefs together to appease all europeans and created the holy trinity. Only 27 books were invited in ,by countless of councils. Even Christianity during 350a.d. Changed tremendously by the time of the first Reich(800a.d.)


Faith makes you ignorant.

meant descendants not defendants...black berry

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
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The reason why you don't fall through the sidewalk or the reason why your fingers don't go through the keys on your keyboards is that electromagnetic energy is pushing the atoms of your fingers away from the atoms of the keyboard. Gravity and electromagnetic weak and electromagnetic strong force are separate from one another and do not entirely depend upon one another.

yes, i know that but he/she didn't.

thanks for the more specific explanation.

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are you a jesuit?

just asking.

If God isn't real..I'll still talk to him. I'm crazy like that! It gives me comfort, and harms no one. I have a lot of coincidences that has happened in my life. For example, I was supposed to be in Joplin, Missouri the day of the massive tornado. My husband's store was completely destroyed, but for some reason we got a bad feeling and left town the week before. Absolutely not the first time something like that has happened to me.

Originally posted by Violetshy
If God isn't real..I'll still talk to him. I'm crazy like that! It gives me comfort, and harms no one. I have a lot of coincidences that has happened in my life. For example, I was supposed to be in Joplin, Missouri the day of the massive tornado. My husband's store was completely destroyed, but for some reason we got a bad feeling and left town the week before. Absolutely not the first time something like that has happened to me.

So God must really HATE all those people that he didn't warn, right?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Perhaps God does not speak in voices like we would assume...maybe in other ways his communication is subtly revealed...

Do you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe? You are using words like "maybe", as if you don't know how this works but just believe it anyways.

Look like someone is here to try and convert some people to religeon, well i will tell you what mate
your religous crap will never work on me.

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Originally posted by Hydroman
In my own "christian walk" of 20 years or so, I believed that I had a personal relationship with the creator of the universe. As a non-believer now, I can see that I was wrong. I can see that in my strong belief, that when I prayed I truly felt that there was a god up there listening to me who cared for me and loved me. Just thinking about that is enough to bring about special emotions. Just believing that there is somebody out there watching over you and guiding you is powerful. Yet, was it all in my head, a type of self delusion?

I have personal relationships with friends and family. I have direct communication with them. I can see their physical representation of themselves, and I can hear them audibly. At no time in my conversations with them do I ever get my voice confused with their voice. It is quite clear who is speaking and when.

In my experience, this is not the case when dealing with a relationship with a supernatural being. I have seen people who were christians of many years say that god told them something, such as an event that would occur on a specific date, only for that day to pass and nothing happened. Did this god trick them, or did the thought come from their own mind? If it came from their own mind, how do they not know the difference between their thoughts and the difference between the voice of the creator of the universe? It should be quite clear, shouldn't it? Knowing that this happens, and I've seen it happen many, many times, how can you trust anyone who says that a god told them something?

Is it really a personal relationship if you really don't have true back and forth communication with someone?

In your 'Christian' walk of 20 years, did you ever invite Jesus Christ into your heart, confess your sins and ask for forgiveness? Then did you repent of your sins?

Originally posted by martiendejong
So God must really HATE all those people that he didn't warn, right?

God is pure goodness. God is jealous. That doesn't sound like hate. God uses many things to get one's attention. Violetshy paid attention. 1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity(love), these three; but the greatest of these is charity(love). Why do you assume a message from God to one person is lack of love to those "he didn't warn"?

Yes, I have a relationship with GOD.
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Originally posted by AQuestion


Shame on you, shame on you for saying these people go to hell. You quote the bible out of context, all can be saved. You quoted earlier that the path was narrow again implying that people are denied salvation; but, you miss all of the quotes about salvation.

I didn't say they were going to hell. All I did was post was Jesus said. Not me. Read that verse again. Before it lists who will not inherit the kingdom of god, it says "Do not be deceived." After it says that, it lists who will not inherit the kingdom of god. So, when he mentions those who will not inherit the kingdom of god, who is he talking about exactly? People who don't believe in "his heart"? If so, why doesn't he just say, "Everyone who does not believe in my heart will not inherit the kingdom of god," instead of listing who specifically will not inherit it?

Why would he say that if it weren't true? To confuse people? Sure the bible talks about salvation. Jesus, who is god, came down here in the form of a man, to appease himself by sacrificing himself to himself so that we can live with him, because after he sacrificed himself to himself, he came back alive again. So now, he's in heaven at the right hand of himself.

Matthew 7: 13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." That's what your bible says. Am I taking that out of context too? This stuff is plain to understand imo. Many people go through the gate to destruction, only a few find the path to life. Right out of the bible, plain and simple.

Having said all that, I do have to admit that I like your beliefs better. It allows more people to have a chance at eternal life. If your beliefs were correct, then the bible should say, "Wide is the gate to eternal life and many are those who find it, narrow is the way to destruction and few find it." That would be much better, imo. I do admit that I could just be misinterpreting these verses.

Hydro , did you read my bit about the life of your brother , what the bible says about the young and the loved lose their life? There are natural laws and God can break their laws if he sees fit. God doesnt revolve around you , you revolve around God ... this one of the reasons the great Tribulation comes , because God is removed from most of this world and God simply ALLOWS all evil to enter this world instead of denying it. He simply removes his hand , and lets it be.

Remember , God does not CONFORM to your desire , he has the ability to give you , your desire .... and take it away , when you pray it ALLOWS him to intercede , but he doesnt have too. Remember his plan , may not be your plan , and theres a good chance he is trying to get you to see this so you can better serve him.

Originally posted by addygrace

God is pure goodness. God is jealous. That doesn't sound like hate. God uses many things to get one's attention. Violetshy paid attention. 1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity(love), these three; but the greatest of these is charity(love). Why do you assume a message from God to one person is lack of love to those "he didn't warn"?

Psalm 5:5 "5 The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity."

Pretty clear to me what that means. But, I could be taking it out of context.

Originally posted by milkyway12
Hydro , did you read my bit about the life of your brother , what the bible says about the young and the loved lose their life? There are natural laws and God can break their laws if he sees fit. God doesnt revolve around you , you revolve around God ... this one of the reasons the great Tribulation comes , because God is removed from most of this world and God simply ALLOWS all evil to enter this world instead of denying it. He simply removes his hand , and lets it be.

Remember , God does not CONFORM to your desire , he has the ability to give you , your desire .... and take it away , when you pray it ALLOWS him to intercede , but he doesnt have too. Remember his plan , may not be your plan , and theres a good chance he is trying to get you to see this so you can better serve him

Yes I read it. Read Matthew 18:19 one more time please. Show me in that verse where it says that he may or may not do what you ask. It says he WILL do it. Why didn't the holy spirit add that stipulation in there if it were the case? It seems to me that it should have said, "Where two or more are in agreement, anything they touch will be done by my father, unless he just doesn't want to do it," according to what you're saying.

But, looking at things from a new view point, I understand that life is not guaranteed to last the same for everyone. That is nature. I could die in an automobile accident today, or drop dead of a heart attack due to heart failure at any time. That's just life.

If hundreds had not prayed for my brother the result would have turned out the same. It doesn't matter if you pray, according to what you say, because god will do what he wants. Why pray?

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Heaven erupts in Joy when a Christian comes home. The bible does us many times , this planet is not our HOME. God does not feel sad when one of his people die , nor does he mourn. He rejoices for his Child has come home! However God is ANGERED , when his people are persecuted , not saddened. However , your brother died of Natural causes , God wanted him Home! God doesnt feel sorry for you that your brother died , when you get to heaven God is going to say DID YOU NOT READ MY WORD? Did you not believe what i have promised you? I have told you , you would see your brother again!

And ... he could very easily say depart from me ... for i know you not. Please dont do that. Dont you see God is working with you right now? This is your trial your test! God wants you to serve him and rejoice .... not question your faith over when a loved one Dies! Of crouse you will feel sad it is normal , however you should rejoice in the spirit that your brother is with the farther! I promise you , your brother isnt sad for you right now , he doesnt feel bad for you .... he is looking at you and thinking .... you have so little faith .... he is with the farther. i promise you.

Originally posted by milkyway12

Heaven erupts in Joy when a Christian comes home. The bible does us many times , this planet is not our HOME.

Really? Well then I have a great question. Why does he put us on earth? Why doesn't he let us live in heaven with him at the get go if he wants us there so badly? Then, if while living there we decide we don't want to be there, he can let us go.

Anyways, I've heard many times that if you don't receive what you ask it is god saying "no". The problem is that he doesn't have the decency to just tell you "no". You have to wait and wait and wait then finally decide, "Well, I guess he said 'no'." It makes more sense to me that no one is there listening to you, and that if something happens that you prayed for, it is either coincidence or it happened because YOU made it happen.

You are mixing many different ideas into one incorrect perspective. Ancient Hebrew is the key to understanding the Bible, as you say, but you are missing the point of what Ancient Hebrew is telling us. I would suggest that you purchase an Ancient Hebrew Lexicon written by Jeff A. Benner. At minimum, visit the Ancient Hebrew website. LINK Use this information to reevaluate your ideas here. If you examine the Hebrew root morphology, you will gain an understanding of how exoteric and esoteric belief tie into the narrow way of Jesus teachings. The error you make below will then become evident.

Remember, bias blinds. If you take your theology as pride, then it amounts to blindness from the flaming sword that protects the tree of life. This is the consuming fire that refines our faith. Apart from humility before belief, we are lost in our own pride. Pride is evil, nothing more. We are all in this fallen world together. The narrow path for all of us is living by the faith within and the word written on our hearts.

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by aerie60

Originally posted by dilly1

I suggest you read on the Essenes.


Yahushua, Ya'akov(which were both called equally JESUS) and John the baptist were leaders of this jewish sect. They were the only remanence left of the true jewish people. The rest of the jews were hellenistic jews. Corrupted do to european influence. After John and Yahushua's death James(Yaakov) was the only one to lead the true word of the Essenes. Saul came to hunt down and destroy james(last standing pillar of the Essenes) and once educated by Jame's teaching ,Saul returned to Jerusalem as Paul. But Paul being a Hellenistic jew, did not understand the cryptic stories from James. Ancient hebrew scripture similar to egyptian is extremely cryptic . Hellenistic culture does not understand codes,metaphors or any text that is cryptic. They take everything at face value. So Paul professed what he saw as truth ,how he saw it fit, how roman/greeks would understand it. So when you here "turned water into wine " ,its really a metaphors. The actual miracle never happened. The cryptic meaning meant non believers were the water ,but once informed of the truth you turn into wine.


Paul and Peter(who had nothing to do with the Essesnes or nothing to do with James following) set the foundation for their own version of christianity. By the time of Constatine Christianity was meshed with Manichism and Mirthra religions. Constatine and his defendants morphed all three beliefs together to appease all europeans and created the holy trinity. Only 27 books were invited in ,by countless of councils. Even Christianity during 350a.d. Changed tremendously by the time of the first Reich(800a.d.)


Faith makes you ignorant.

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God created Adam and Eve and placed them in a garden of numerous fruit trees that He had designed, from which they could eat anything, except the fruit from one tree.Although Adam and Eve had no concept of good and evil, they obviously did know about disobedience, since Eve told the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" (Genesis 3:3) From her statement, it is clear that Eve knew that she shouldn't eat the fruit. In fact she even added to God's command with the words "or touch it," which was not in God's original command. So, the original sin was disobedience, mistrust, and disloyalty against God.

1.So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. (Romans 5:18)

2.The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. (Genesis 2:8)

3.Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9)

4.The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." (Genesis 2:16-17)

5.For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant; There they have dealt treacherously against Me. (Hosea 6:6-7)

In chapter 5 of Romans, Paul describes how We are justified before God on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ,who came to earth to die for the sins of mankind.The chapter takes us back to how we got into the current mess we are in - back to our original parents, who committed the first sins. Paul's point in doing this is to compare the transgression by the transgressor to the redemption offered through the Redeemer. In this chapter, Paul makes it clear that, although Adam and Eve committed the first sin, we are guilty on the basis of our own sin:

6.Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (Romans 5:1)

7.For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5:10)

8.Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (Romans 5:12)

What the original sin did was to cause the human race to fall into the practice of sin. We are born to imperfect parents, whose sin negatively influences us. We become accustomed to committing "minor" sins without regard to their negative impact on our lives and the lives of others. However, God, in His love,provided the means by which all people could become completely righteous before Him, thus inheriting eternal life.

8.But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)

9.So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. (Romans 5:18)

10.So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. (Romans 5:18)

11.so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 5:21)

For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:21-22)


The Bible says that God has created people to be upright, but they have chosen to do evil. We are not condemned on the basis of Adam and Eve's original sin, but our own. Our condemnation is rightly deserved due to our rebellion and disobedience of God's laws. God is not responsible for our sin, but we are, because of our own lusts. However, God, in His love, has provided a way of escape for those who recognize their own inability to live up to God's holy standards. Jesus Christ died for our sins to reconcile us to God. Trust Jesus to change you into the person you really want to be!


Do you not understand the Wages of Sin are Death? God put us here to serve him and be righteous! We were not intended to sin! God gave us a Choice. We failed on that choice! God KNEW we would fail he knew! However , GOD gave us the option to succeed or fail! Even though he knew we would sin! But you had that option to choose for yourself! God didnt say ... o they will just sin , lets not create them! No he knew part of his creation would love him and follow him! Why would he punish those that would love him and choose him for those that would not!?

We all have the will to follow him or not! Its that simple.... God is a just God and a jealous God. He created you. He gave you life , does he not have the right to desire you not to worship any other God when he did all the work and loves you?? I would be jealous too..