Civil War?

Okay, I wasnt too sure where I should have posted this but anyway, do you think its possible in this day in age in America to stage a revolt against the government? Its just a thought thats been bouncing around in my head for some time. I believe that unless there would be hundreds of thousands of armed revolters they would be squashed like bugs by the military. Another thought, do you think anyone would care enough to start a civil war if our liberties are taken from us?

My only guess that it could happen again if the NWO comes into power or we have a realy horrible president that tears the whole nation apart. But I doubt something like that will happen in the near furture.

in America we would have widespread support of the public for it to really succeed

and even then, it would have to be guerrilla warfare, straight up fighting wouldn't work

If things get bad enough that people have no choice but to revolt then sure, I believe it could happen.

I just feel that too many american citizens "go with the flow" so to speak. I really dont feel that as many people as we would need would even care. A lot of peoples mentalities are "the government passed this new bill that says the FBI can arrest you for posting an anti-government/president/american statement on the net, the government knows whats good for us so I shall abide." Do you see where Im going with this?

Though I think a rebel group would form in the USA and it'll turn into Star Wars. Given the power and the will the citizens would revolt.

In todays day and age it would be pretty difficult to overthrow the government. Me personally, I like things the way they are. It's not perfect, but spend some time living in Mexico City or some other crap hole.

But I digress, excuse me. With the current surveillance technology, weapons technology, the quantity of FBI (which just added thousands), police, etc. I just don't see it happening.

Best thing to do is for you to move to Canada if you don't like it here, because basically, if you did happen to get through all that great stuff, and you still persisted to overthrow our government, I would do my best to kill you dead. And thats because I love this country and swore an oath to protect her from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

So no, I don't think it can be done in my lifetime.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Arc, Im not saying that I dislike America. In fact, I love America, just not the government.

I agree with you Jedi. It does seem like it would be like starwars ( just without the cool weapons )

i also don't think it is necessary at this time but if needed it could succeed only because it seems to me that if there was a revolt significant to be termed a civil war, then the revolting party would undoubtedly receive tons of support from various countries around the world who secretly hate us. even if it's just Russia or China, it could be trouble.

I think if you tried to overthrow the government you would have a civil war.And the government would not have to get invovled.You would be fighting against people that are pro government.And in the end there would still be a government.Even if you won,whose to say the new government wouldn't be worse.
If you really wanted to overthrow our government,hit em where it hurts,their wallets.Don't by gas,food,don't work or pay taxes etc.Get every citizen to do something like that and we might be able to get a new government.Don't get your hoes up though.Most Americans like their lives and our freedoms.

And when your freedoms are stripped away? Then what?

Originally posted by Tetsuo-51
I just feel that too many american citizens "go with the flow" so to speak. I really dont feel that as many people as we would need would even care. A lot of peoples mentalities are "the government passed this new bill that says the FBI can arrest you for posting an anti-government/president/american statement on the net, the government knows whats good for us so I shall abide." Do you see where Im going with this?

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Thomas Jefferson

OK, what's going on in here?

Go with the flow, the flow of taking our rights away, the flow that so far has given the suit wearing govies the ability to search seize and suppress anyone WITH OUT a warrent or even permission for 72hrs?!

I believe I have spoke out about this befor, if anybody puts another finger on OUR rights, so much as smudgeing them with thier greasy mongering fingers, I will be a HEADLINE.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants".
--Thomas Jefferson

Im with you ADVISOR. They shouldnt be able to take away the rights that OUR forefathers died for. Its wrong.

I find it unlikely that our freedoms will be stripped away.In order for the government to keep working,it will need money.In order to get money it needs a productive society.Taking all of our rights away would most definatly interfere with that.

If someone plans to start a revolution to try to get people to overthrow the government they better act NOW, while we still have some kind of freedoms left.

What this country needs is another MALCOLM X! Not the religious side of Malcolm, but the political side of Malcolm. Malcolm was the greatest revolutionary in the history of the United States. We knew this, they knew this and that's why they assassinated him.

Malcolm X was supposed to go to the UN a week after his death and ask charges brought up against the United States. This is the kind of man we need! Someone who is NOT afraid.

They just passed a law to use those camera things to catch "red light runners" here, boo, in time I feel it is these security devices that would lead to a civil war, but it wouldn't be an overthrow or secession, more likely a show of force to get certain legislation removed, without the government's involvement.

Direct from the people, as the plebians did in Rome oh so long ago.

ArcAngel,

And thats because I love this country and swore an oath to protect her from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Then you should consider joining ... DHS and Patriot Act II take's our constitution and piss' all over it, then use's it to wipe # off the president's ass. To sum it up ... no more right's. No more freedom. Let's think for a second ... who'd you vote for president? Oh yeah ... no one did ... Our government did for us.

Oh BTW ... where do we voice our opinion on the patriot act ... when do we get to vote on it? Right ... we don't have that right or privlage, but our government does.

I believe it's our duty, right, and obligation as US citizen's to uphold our constitution ... Our government isn't doing it's job the way it's supposed to, therefore, it's time to do OUR job and nip the problem quick!

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

But here it is anyways.

People today are so busy blaming the "Other party" for the problems of not following the constitution:

"Clinton did it"
"No Bush the idiot did"

That no one is intelligent enough to hold a Civil War anymore.

They'd lose their focus.

It's not about getting rid of Bush, or getting back at Clinton for what they did...the Democrats or Republicans, it is about doing what they AREN'T doing.

To do this, you must create a political party, that is not interested in Federal seats, but state seats, governor, state legislatures.

And from there this party focuses on reinstituting the constitution into the land, meaning the State doesn't obey laws from the central government that aren't constitutional.

This is...the patriot act, for example. This is the massive Income tax, and the fact we are off the gold standard.

Through an effort like that, you might be able to avoid Civil War all together, by simply having the states excersise the rights of the states, afterall, the central government is a regulator and a shield, not a supreme legislature, it has that ability only so it can enforce some required centrality to the all the states, that is necissary to avoid secession or economic failure.

But it really has gone too far now. To the point where even the National Gaurds are no longer "state loyal".

Remember, Rome first became an empire, by its armies losing loyalty to Rome, and putting it in their Commanding Officers.

What's happening here, is the State's Militias, and the people, are losing the idea that was America, which was that you are an "American" second, and a "Georgian" first, or a "Nevadan" first, or a "Californian" first.

Through that mentality Federalism lives, and the Central Government does not rule your life, and Empire is thwarted.

But that mentality is all but gone, picture Gladiator the movie.

"There was once a dream that was Rome"

America would never be able to become an Empire yet, no one is in that "mentality" but it's easil starting down that road.

5POF,

I don't think even that would work. I honestly think a forceful civil war against the government is what's needed. The constitution has been messed with too much by our government. Either way we do this, we're going to be put on the axis of evil list and end up getting in serious trouble. Might as well go down fighting for our freedom.

The civil war is comming, and there's no way to stop it.