Why oh why do some many on ATS fight against logical explanation?

reply to post by WhatAliens


OMG you have just solved every single sighting and abductee’s case. They are all just attention seekers wanting to feel important.

We can tell SkepticOverlord he can close down the UFO and Alien forum now.

I'm still scratching my head of "the world is black and white" thing. There are like a million shades of grey.

How can you say there either are aliens or there aren't... OK technically that is true, but unless you have 100% proof either way it is impossible to say.

Just because a logical explanation is presented... doesn't mean it is correct.

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by WhatAliens

 

Do you believe the bible, or parts thereof to whatever you suit?

the bibble is a POS.

It was wrong, it is wrong, and it will always be wrong.

Originally posted by Whateva69
reply to post by WhatAliens

 

OMG you have just solved every single sighting and abductee’s case. They are all just attention seekers wanting to feel important.

We can tell SkepticOverlord he can close down the UFO and Alien forum now.

right....

so you're so desperate to belief that we must take you seriouly?

Get a life girl. really.

Bye

reply to post by WhatAliens


Its obvious sarcasm. He probably thought you get it

Originally posted by Universer
I'm still scratching my head of "the world is black and white" thing. There are like a million shades of grey.

How can you say there either are aliens or there aren't... OK technically that is true, but unless you have 100% proof either way it is impossible to say.

Just because a logical explanation is presented... doesn't mean it is correct.

Aliens are, or aren't. god is. or isn't. No black or white.

reply to post by WhatAliens


Wrong. Like i said nothing is really absolute. Theres a probability for Alien life. A Black And White World no longer exists.

Originally posted by WhatAliens

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by WhatAliens

 

Do you believe the bible, or parts thereof to whatever you suit?

the bibble is a POS.

It was wrong, it is wrong, and it will always be wrong.

Then how did the bible know about dust? ( logic in context) "Dust you are, and to dust you will return" perfectly true in described modern scientific terms, but otherwise has no logic.

Dust you are, and to dust you will return" perfectly true in described modern scientific terms, but otherwise has no logic.

WHAT??????lmao

Originally posted by WhatAliens

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by WhatAliens

 

Do you believe the bible, or parts thereof to whatever you suit?

the bibble is a POS.

It was wrong, it is wrong, and it will always be wrong.

Bold statements like this makes one wonder if you hold the truth to the mysteries of reality and everything there is.

I only have a fair idea of things and am inclined to give the 'benefit-of-doubt' whenever I feel it necessary. Apart from that, I'm not 100 % sure when it comes to UFO and such. So I personally don't like to be 'quick on the trigger', even if I'm tempted to say something.

It is better to observe and learn.

Peace

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Thank you!

The neutral viewpoint is ALWAYS the best!

Originally posted by WhatAliens
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The neutral viewpoint is ALWAYS the best!

And that I would agree.

Peace

Originally posted by WhatAliens

Originally posted by Universer
I'm still scratching my head of "the world is black and white" thing. There are like a million shades of grey.

How can you say there either are aliens or there aren't... OK technically that is true, but unless you have 100% proof either way it is impossible to say.

Just because a logical explanation is presented... doesn't mean it is correct.

Aliens are, or aren't. god is. or isn't. No black or white.

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What you are saying is technically correct (unless you believe everything that is possible is and isn't simultaneously. See Schrödinger's cat), HOWEVER since in some cases it is impossible to say which is correct (black or white), we are left with many, many shades of grey.

Originally posted by WhatAliens
"We all get that some people so desperately want to believe that they'll believe anything. For the most part (I'm guessing) they are the younger members."

The same could be said for other people so desperately not wanting to believe anything possible outside what they consider the norm that they jump on any possible normal explanation and automatically assume it is fact.

"We also get why some christians refuse to except anything not in the bible (I don't want a religious debate here, but we already know why. 6000 years and such - which is fine)."

If you don't want to argue it then don't post it. Don't believe in organized religion myself but many christians believe in evolution and other such scientific theories. Religion and science do not have to be mutually exclusive, no one can prove one way or another is correct yet both sides can someties adamently fight like they believe the other side is ignorant because they do not share the same beliefs.

"But why, for the most part, is common sense thrown totaly out of the window when it comes to "UFOs"? When a perfectly ordinary explanation is given, why not just except it? I have no viewpoint here - it's just a simple question."

Common sense tells us that something is going on that is unexplainable. Even throwing out all of the sightings where there is a possible conventional explanation that leaves many thousands that are completely unexplainable. Asserting that they are in no way alien life forms has nothing to do with common sense it is dictating that something must be true because you believe it so without any factual basis. That is something that I believe you likely complain about religion for doing.

"By this I mean why isn't roswell excepted as is? What about rendlesham forest? The Pheonic lights? JAL?"

Since you are all knowing why don't you post what these are. If you have no personal experience in these cases than you have nothing to form an opinion off of except for what others have said.

"Do those that believe in these have reasons to? Or are they just desperate to prove the most unlikely scenarios?"

People believe for many reasons and they are not unintelligent because they believe as you seem to think. It is becoming much more widely believed that life does exist elsewhere in the scientific community. The sheer numbers of planets and vastness of the universe almost gaurantee it. We know we are relatively young as the age of the universe is concerned so a civilization millions of years beyond us, or more, could have easily solved problems that we currently believe to be impossible such as faster than light travel.

Some have had a personal experience, and because people end up being ridiculed by close minded people not able to accept something outside the norm most of these likely are not reported. Personally I have had one and having been trained to identify objects at night based on light patters, having had to learn their manueverability and so on (while I was in the military on an Aircraft Carrier) I feel I can say with a strong degree of confidance that what I saw was far beyond anything from this earth.

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I remember seeing a UFO picture in a book and I thought it looked oddly familurer .
Then I looked at my ceiling fan and there it was except there were no blades in the UFO picture ..HOAX

There are so many fakes out there blurrey pictures..and the fakes just keep getting better.
No small wonder people are jaded when it comes to UFO pictures and videos !!

Possibillianism is a good explanation of about where my thinking rests on this subject, and it involves religion and theology but is not religious in context. It applies to just about everything. If you have time take a peek at the 20 min video at the link for an explanation from Eagleman. Here is an excerpt from David Eaglemans site:

What is possibilianism? Possibilianism is a philosophy which rejects both the idiosyncratic claims of traditional theism and the positions of certainty in atheism in favor of a middle, exploratory ground. The term was first defined by neuroscientist David Eagleman in relation to his book of fiction Sum. Asked whether he was an atheist or a religious person on a National Public Radio interview in February, 2009, he replied "I call myself a Possibilian: I'm open to ideas that we don't have any way of testing right now." In a subsequent interview with the New York Times, Eagleman expanded on the definition: "Our ignorance of the cosmos is too vast to commit to atheism, and yet we know too much to commit to a particular religion. A third position, agnosticism, is often an uninteresting stance in which a person simply questions whether his traditional religious story (say, a man with a beard on a cloud) is true or not true. But with Possibilianism I'm hoping to define a new position -- one that emphasizes the exploration of new, unconsidered possibilities. Possibilianism is comfortable holding multiple ideas in mind; it is not interested in committing to any particular story."

SOURCE

A short bio on David Eagleman:

David Eagleman is a neuroscientist and a New York Times bestselling author. He directs the Laboratory for Perception and Action and the Initiative on Neuroscience and Law at Baylor College of Medicine. He is best known for his work on time perception, synesthesia, and neurolaw. At night he writes. His work of fiction, SUM, is an international bestseller published in 23 languages. His book on the internet and civilization, Why the Net Matters, is available as an app for the iPad and as an eBook. His latest book, Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain, explores the neuroscience "under the hood" of the conscious mind--that is, all the aspects of neural function to which we have no awareness or access. Eagleman is a Guggenheim Fellow.

SOURCE

Its basically a revamping of how reasonable skepticism works with open minded thinking...A true skeptic will always be an open minded person, within reason and common sense.

reply to post by WhatAliens


The problem is not with people who believe UFOs and aliens exist. The "problem" is with those who will go to any length to explain away an unusual event. These people will desperately try to claim, for example, that when 100s of people see a large UFO, perhaps a mile or two wide, gliding over their town, they are in fact seeing an airplane. It THAT logical to you? Simply because these events do not fit into your science, which in and of itself is a huge joke, you cannot conceive of any other explanation. Therefore, you force yourself into creating an absolutely ridiculous, and I might add incredibly embarassing, explanation for an event that falls outside of our mundane experiences. Don't you realize how foolish you look? Bill Nye is the biggest dumb@!~ on earth, for example, because he is so pompous in his ignorance. He cannot admit that he just doesn't know the answer sometimes. Your "logical" explanations are laughable and fail to account for the unknown. Science deals with the unknown all the time, yet those who purport to be scientific in their thinking ignore the great expanse of unknown experiences. There is nothing more ignorant than that -- witnessing a pseudointellectual trying hard to look intelligent by coming up with answers that fit ONLY into our current knowledge of science. So, the next time you try to explain what you think a UFO witness "really" saw, think about the very distinct possibility that you just don't know everything, and that humans are pathetically primitive when it comes to science.

reply to post by WhatAliens


sometimes there is more than one possibility even though the first answer may seem logical. sometimes more than one thing seems to fit what is observed. i tend not to just jump straight on the first answer as being the correct one just because it sounds logical, i check it to see if it fits everything that is observed if not then i think of other possibilities that could fit.

if there are other possibilities that fit then they must be considered to or added to the list inorder to get the correct answer. i suppose it depends on what your looking for. the correct answer or just anything that sounds logical to disprove it being a u.f.o. but may not be the correct answer.

i do not lean toward the 'more likely crowd'. i lean more toward the 'knowing for certain what it is' crowd. sometimes that conflicts with what other people think it is, but they are all just opinions and nobody is right all of the time no matter how much they think they are or how logical they think their answers are, myself included.

Originally posted by WhatAliens
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Interesting response.

To me, there are no shades of grey. God does, or doesn not exist. Aliens do, or do not exist. Our hopes and desires introduce they grey areas. My own feelings suggest that there is no god, but a chance of aliens.

I thank you for your straight forward reply!

It's so weird hearing people say the possibility of Aliens being real is higher than God...

I mean, what if he is a higher being? Alien even? Who knows...but I'm not going to disbelieve one and not the other...I believe in both (Although it helps to have texts on the subject, which I do...pm me for links if interested)

As for logical explanation...history has proven that the logical explanation isn't always the actual explanation...but it is the majority. People need to be able to provide a different perspective. It improves us all.

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I concur with your thoughts. A u.f.o. is just that, and has nothing to do with alien visitations.
( I'm not suggesting that there is not life in other parts of the cosmos.) Seeing a u.f.o. that " must be extraterrestrial " feeds our self importance, our standing amongst our friends / family and peers. ( Attention seeking.)

Logical thinking goes out of the window, and normally intelligent people allow speculation to dominate their thought processes to a mind boggling level, in a way that they would not allow in other aspects of their lives...
( I hope ! ) ....Or maybe they do, and that's another subject...

There are usually boring, mundane explanations for things we see and hear, but can't explain,
but we skip logic, and let the creative part of our minds fill in the gaps. Only my opinion, respect to all posters.