College students engaging in prostitution to pay huge loans

Originally posted by hillynilly
reply to post by Suspiria

 

Call it whatever you want

*helping the sisters out* *i'm putting her through college*
but a lady that has to stoop
to that level of *EASY MONEY*
is degrading herself like it or not...

*Mommy takes her shirt off for money so men can see her boobies*

That is degradation my friends..

edit on 1-8-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)

It really would be more degrading if she were forced against her will to do it. And we really don't know the life circumstances that cause women and men to have to do this. Sometimes a person may feel there is no other recourse in their life, or they were abused as children and sometimes some women have been failed so miserably by the men in their lives that they turn to this because sexual degradation is all they have known.

If a man or a woman enjoys what they do and have come from good stable homes, then that is their own moral issue. One time I went to New York from North Carolina, being the very conservative type of person that I am I was shocked to see it so openly displayed. At the same time, I had to realize that this prostitute I saw with the customer getting out of the car with the pimp was just a comment on society.

You can't legislate morality, and we can't degrade these women further by making the issue all their fault. They have customers who buy their services. That is just as immoral.

This really isn't anything new. I know a very well paid corporate lawyer who paid her way through school doing girl / girl porn. She got a legal name change at some point and it didn't show up on the employment screening. (Though we did find out later but they feel sorry for her and have chosen to ignore it).

Just about everything you can imagine has been and will be paid for in trade....

I once knew a girl who said she thought she would like to become a stripper because the money seemed to fabulous and glamorous to have. I replied "Once you sell yourself, you can't buy yourself back." Sure, it seems great to have money like that, but what is the cost?

I am.....
......Female
......37
......not looking that great naked....

Did you know Americans have more "degrading" words for sex than any other country? I saw a special on that once, I think it was on BBC, I forget now and google failed to return a result (probably got censored, or my search terms suck).

Point being, its a bad attitude. As a consequence we have people "degrading" others for their choices. We have a higher rate of teen pregnancy because of the stigma attached to educating them. We have higher rates of STDs because men are more likely to think a woman is a "slut" if she's prepared, so they just don't prepare... the list was longer.. my memory is not. These 2 things alone should change our attitude. Its a normal, natural, biological, enjoyable thing to do... when did it become a sin? and bad? and degrading? (I have my suspicions..)



If its her choice and she's not being forced then I'm all for it. (Prepare!!!)
If she feels like she has no other option, thats a different story...

No one should be forced to do anything they don't want to do in regards to their person. (You still have to pay your taxes though, sorry )


For those who made the choice...
You go girl!!!


I would if I could, but I can't, so I won't

why should it be illegal to sell something (sex) that's perfectly legal to give away?

Umm what exactly is this thread about? Is it that education costs have risen so much that some people have to do whatever they can to afford it or is it that you can't trust a person who resorts to that kind of activity to get an education? just wondering so I know how to respond is all.

reply to post by wiandiii


If thats the only way a poor person see's to the top you can bet your a** they will take it. You sound threatened by the fact that they found a way to pay for it. I sure cant afford it and as I am a male I have even less options. So before you get on the high horse and lay judgement because they might be able to get your job or whatever you excuse is try not having anything and no way to pay for an education and then tell us what you would give for a chance at a good job. I dont care how they earned it. I will take a ex pro doctor over a born into money and did not really pay attention in school anyway dr anyday at least I'll know they studied and payied attention.

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
Who gives a crap if they prostituted themselves for a degree! It's pretty sad they have to go that route but that doesn't mean it affects their intelligence! Escort services are everywhere and many are legit and done in a business fashion, what do you care what people spend their money on or how they choose to pay for tuition. Do you have any idea how expensive it it? Some of use weren't born with a golden spoon in our mouths.

There are plenty of lazy ass people out there getting aid for school that could give a crap about that degree so some who don't have that luxury do other things to pay for it. I see no harm in it what so ever.

Don't knock it. I am exotic dancer and have paid my own tuition from doing so as have quite a few girls I work with. At least they are getting out there and doing something and not milking the system. A job is a job....whether you approve or not. If someone chooses to sell their body for sex that is their business not mine.

I don't care if my doctor was a prostitute, if she is a good doctor that all that matters. How she paid for her education is of no concern to me. She did it, that is what should matter.

As mblah says, sex workers are not sub human.

mblah... exotic dancer... ? pics or it didnt happen!

reply to post by wiandiii


You're retarded.

I would you give a # if your psychologist or doctor were ex prostitutes?

reply to post by wiandiii

The point isn't the sex, the point is they are knowingly breaking the law, risking there future and there health, to be able just to go to college. This isn't so much a personal attack on the women who are resorting to this or there intelligence, but more of an attack on a society that has put people in a position where they feel they have no other choice.

Don't kid yourself bro there doing it for two reasons only, first money, and second because they like it. It has always been that way and will always be that way, for some there will and never be anything else.

Society is made by people and there is nothing in it that people did not create, prostitution is the worlds oldest profession not because they cant do something else, but because when it comes down to it they prefer it, and as long as they come out on top with some cash they don't care. So really its not that they want to change it its that they want it to not be stigmatized no more and that they want it to be less risky so they can do it more.

Really what your talking about is simple the two things they like and everybody likes... money and sex. And the two go hand in hand in this world. So it is what it is, there is no point in arguing against it so find you side and stick to it because this will not change, because truly really they do not want it to change.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I don't care what these women do, but I think it is hilarious how much the distort definitions so they don't have to call themselves prostitutes.

At the end of the day, these men are paying them for sex and nothing else...the women are prostitutes.


I just find it very amusing.

Not necessarily, it is all about money and sex when it comes to all relationships, prostitution is merely the most basic form of relationship between males and females and hence about the most basic thing in exchange between the energy's between them ie money.

In reality any and all relationships of any kind are based on that and everything else is just created constructs of changing the definition of it. Trough out the centuries basically the game of mating has adapted and added to itself different names and constructs to believe in and accept, but at its core it came from prostitution and really when it comes down to it, money is still the center of which all relationships turn. As those who run out of money eventually find out.

If you were to search I do not believe you would be able to find any male female relationship that does not involve money in one way or another, all love is bought thought not always by money. But money is the number one way love is bought. Though the details of how that is done and the reasons and justifications change from person to person the premise and core stays the same.

So point being prostitution is normal, and is the norm. The nature of the female is just that, the names and constructs of it though are changed from time to time. All to delude and deceive themselves and lose themselves in the created games they play, because in the end its just that a game.

I only have to say two words: Not surprising.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by wiandiii

 

The point isn't the sex, the point is they are knowingly breaking the law, risking there future and there health, to be able just to go to college. This isn't so much a personal attack on the women who are resorting to this or there intelligence, but more of an attack on a society that has put people in a position where they feel they have no other choice.

Don't kid yourself bro there doing it for two reasons only, first money, and second because they like it. It has always been that way and will always be that way, for some there will and never be anything else.

Society is made by people and there is nothing in it that people did not create, prostitution is the worlds oldest profession not because they cant do something else, but because when it comes down to it they prefer it, and as long as they come out on top with some cash they don't care. So really its not that they want to change it its that they want it to not be stigmatized no more and that they want it to be less risky so they can do it more.

Really what your talking about is simple the two things they like and everybody likes... money and sex. And the two go hand in hand in this world. So it is what it is, there is no point in arguing against it so find you side and stick to it because this will not change, because truly really they do not want it to change.

The problem is...not every prostitute likes it. Would you be inclined to ask a prostitute when you buy her services if she likes it or not? And if she says no, then will you stop the transaction and move on your merry way?

But I just thought....when you buy an act such as sex, you are buying a person to perform the sex act. So in essence you are buying a person and the ownership of a person means slavery. I guess there are some who do not mind being bought because to them it is merely the act of sex they are selling and not themselves. But every act of sex is personal. It cannot be separated from the humanity of the person.

People who buy prostitutes (male and female) do not consider them to be human, at least to have any degree of respect towards. This is where the moral questions come in, and these are things that people who are inclined to become prostitutes should think about before engaging. They simply are no longer considered human beings by the person who buys the sex. Because the act of sex is simply more valuable than the human.

Originally posted by hillynilly

Originally posted by mblahnikluver

Don't knock it. I am exotic dancer and have paid my own tuition from doing so as have quite a few girls I work with. At least they are getting out there and doing something and not milking the system. A job is a job....whether you approve or not. If someone chooses to sell their body for sex that is their business not mine.

How degrading can women get?

This country is going down the crap hole....

No never been to a topless bar..

I don't support degradation..

Sorry we have different opinions..

edit on 1-8-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)

Who are YOU to tell me what is considered degrading? You are a MAN how the heck would you know!

It isn't degrading, it's entertainment. If you choose not to go to a topless bar that is your choice but I think you lose the chance to have an opinion on it since you don't go to them and know nothing of the women who do the job or the people that go into them.

How is this country going down the crap bar because I choose to support myself ON MY OWN without mooching off the govt?

Yea save it for someone who cares....

Originally posted by wiandiii
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

I feel that frustration, I would love to go to college but coming from a poor family it was next to impossible. Back in 1997 when I graduated high school, tuition was high and I managed one year in college. Now with tuition even higher I have no idea how I could go back. Thankfully I am employed, it's in a job that doesn't pay much but I love what I do since my primary responsibility is caring for others instead of meeting a quota. Good luck finishing your degree.

EDIT: We should care about ethics, we would be in a better place if our politicians had some.

edit on 1-8-2011 by wiandiii because: added content

Thanks yeah I graduated the same year! It sucks not having money for school. I get really down when I can't go and it is noticeable in my personality. I know exactly what I want to do and the only thing keeping me from it is the god old $$$$$ dollar...

As for ethics, its a matter of opinion.

I dont see anything wrong with supporting yourself as a dancer, or prostitute and for the record they are COMPLETELY different jobs....one dances and the other has sex for money. I just had to get that out there since people automatically label me a "whore" because I dance....which is FAR from the truth. I am nothing like that, kind of a nerdy dancer which works for me with the location I am in and the space and govt geeks i get as customers.

Another thing if it wasn't for these people who come to see me at work I wouldn't be enrolled in the Aerospace program. They helped me get in and have guided me to make sure I reach my goals. I am very thankful to these people and when I am finally finished I will thank every one of them!

Originally posted by hillynilly
reply to post by Suspiria

 

Call it whatever you want

*helping the sisters out* *i'm putting her through college*
but a lady that has to stoop
to that level of *EASY MONEY*
is degrading herself like it or not...

*Mommy takes her shirt off for money so men can see her boobies*

That is degradation my friends..

edit on 1-8-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)

Easy money?? HAHA you haven't a clue!

My god people like you piss me off.

You have no idea how NOT easy the money is. Do you have ANY idea what we deal with? Oh wait no you don't because you have never been to one. What do you think we are sub humans?

I work to support myself and I am proud that I am independent and driven. I have no habits like drugs or alcohol and I don't have a bf I support (much like the stereotype you probably think of when it comes to dancers). I work my days and I go home at night like everyone else and read online or cook dinner or just relax with my bf or friends.

I am one person at work and another at home. It's like acting basically. I am a persona at work and my persona makes me money, not much but it is something. It's better than nothing and it's better than starving. I don't KNOCK anyone who makes a living and supports themselves. I have never in my life ever received public assistance. I have always found a job because I know other people need it. I could have gone and received unemployment when I lost my job years ago but I knew I could go back to dancing (did it when I was younger, now 32) and make money and someone else who can't can get that money from unemployment....

Yeah I take my clothes off for men to see my boobies, so what! At least I get paid in money and not beads! Think about that one!

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by wiandiii

 

You're retarded.

I would you give a # if your psychologist or doctor were ex prostitutes?

Name calling adds nothing to the thread, I suggest to you like I did another poster to look over the ATS threads on manners and what is expected of members. If you would have taken the time to read thru the thread you would have realized it's an ethics issue. If someone is willing to take money for there body, then they would be more willing to take money from big pharma to prescribe you drugs they are getting kick backs for. I'm not saying it doesn't happen all the time anyway, but why increase the chance of having to deal with an unethical professional.

Originally posted by jonco6
reply to post by wiandiii

 

If thats the only way a poor person see's to the top you can bet your a** they will take it. You sound threatened by the fact that they found a way to pay for it. I sure cant afford it and as I am a male I have even less options. So before you get on the high horse and lay judgement because they might be able to get your job or whatever you excuse is try not having anything and no way to pay for an education and then tell us what you would give for a chance at a good job. I dont care how they earned it. I will take a ex pro doctor over a born into money and did not really pay attention in school anyway dr anyday at least I'll know they studied and payied attention.

I couldn't afford to finish college either, and guess what, I didn't. I didn't compromise my own ethics to either get it paid for or to get ahead in any jobs I've had. I have come from nothing, a very poor inner city family, and because of this I appreciate the little I do have. I haven't been fooled by the american dream and our consumerists culture to think I need to step on people just to own material things. Though I don't get paid much, I would consider the job i have as "good" because I enjoy it very much. I get to help people for a living and not have to break my back meeting a quota just to make someone else rich.

Originally posted by wiandiii

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by wiandiii

 

You're retarded.

I would you give a # if your psychologist or doctor were ex prostitutes?

Name calling adds nothing to the thread, I suggest to you like I did another poster to look over the ATS threads on manners and what is expected of members. If you would have taken the time to read thru the thread you would have realized it's an ethics issue. If someone is willing to take money for there body, then they would be more willing to take money from big pharma to prescribe you drugs they are getting kick backs for. I'm not saying it doesn't happen all the time anyway, but why increase the chance of having to deal with an unethical professional.

That is complete crap!

That is like saying someone with bad credit is more likely to steal. Just because someone does one thing doesn't mean they would do another....

You people are way too judgemental.

This is why I dont tell people what i do in person....you automatically assume things.

It is always funny when people find out what i do and are completely shocked.

Stereotypes are a bad thing...

Originally posted by wiandiii

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by wiandiii

 

You're retarded.

I would you give a # if your psychologist or doctor were ex prostitutes?

Name calling adds nothing to the thread, I suggest to you like I did another poster to look over the ATS threads on manners and what is expected of members. If you would have taken the time to read thru the thread you would have realized it's an ethics issue. If someone is willing to take money for there body, then they would be more willing to take money from big pharma to prescribe you drugs they are getting kick backs for. I'm not saying it doesn't happen all the time anyway, but why increase the chance of having to deal with an unethical professional.

That is quite the jump in logic you are making.

Prostitution is selling your body, it is not a corrupt act, and it is a legit form of business. Prostitution is not a crime in a truly "free" society." There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make the assumption that, just because someone was a prostitute, then they're more likely to accept bribes and kick-backs later on.

That sort of thinking is completely ridiculous.

And I really don't care about the T&C's call for manners.