College students engaging in prostitution to pay huge loans

Originally posted by Backslider
reply to post by wiandiii

 

I typically don't make attacks, and I don't believe this was a personal attack. In this particular instance, my statement was very on topic by pointing out the irony in your post. You are claiming to have nothing against those that go this route, but you clearly display a bias against "stripper bars" and prostitutes. Your post is based on emotion, and me pointing out that the person who put herself through school with help from a dancing job is well written and obviously educated is relevant.

The only problem I can see with this happening is that prostitution is illegal and thus creates a shady and unsafe atmosphere for those involved. That is the worst thing about this.

edit on 1-8-2011 by Backslider because: (no reason given)

I never attacked the intelligence of the women who are doing this, I have been completely taken out of context. As stated in other posts by me in this threads, I question the ethics of the women doing this as they will be holding professional positions typically held with college degrees, and there decisions can effect peoples lives negatively. I think someone who have committed illegal activities to get where they are will be more prone to bribes and corruption. I do take your previous comments about my spelling and grammar as a personal attack. I do know how to use spell check and If you notice nothing in my posts is misspelled. My grammar isn't top notch since I couldn't afford college either but I'm sure I still get my point across.

Originally posted by mustangill
reply to post by boncho

 

You shouldn't have to pay 100,000 or more for a house either but, thanks to the big fat banker pigs we are.

Really, I thought that had to do with the real estate market and the available zone land for residential building and about 300 hundred other things that effect home price.

Originally posted by wiandiii
reply to post by hillynilly

 

I would never go to a stripper bar either. If those men put that time and resources into there own relationships they wouldn't have to resort to those bars to see a naked lady.

So men that go to strip clubs have sub-par relationships and men who don't have above average ones?

That is where your reasoning is headed. And it simply isn't true.

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by wiandiii
reply to post by hillynilly

 

I would never go to a stripper bar either. If those men put that time and resources into there own relationships they wouldn't have to resort to those bars to see a naked lady.

So men that go to strip clubs have sub-par relationships and men who don't have above average ones?

That is where your reasoning is headed. And it simply isn't true.

If you have a healthy relationship why would you want to see another woman than your wife? There's many women that would feel that is cheating. If you are a single guy your time would be better spent finding a partner than stuffing your money in odd places.

Sorry, I don't see anything wrong with this, as long as it is the women's choice. And it isn't illegal everywhere.
We had three MSU students a few years ago go out to that famous ranch in Nevada for three months. Between the 3 of them, they made over $80,000.00!!!!! In 3 months!
There was a front page write-up about them in the Lansing State Journal which I did find a bit surprising, but I say good for them, as long as it is their choice.

I wonder how many people "sell" themselves to an employer during an interview..

You see in many job centres, workshops and the like, about learning the best ways to sell yourself to an employer in order to obtain a job..

Is this not a form of prostitution? You do your best to show that you are better than the rest in order to make the employer accept you...

Is it not a fact that many animals and birds do this same thing with their mating rituals in order to further their species?

just where do you draw the line? How far are you prepared to go in order to better yourself?

Originally posted by wiandiii
reply to post by hillynilly

 

I would never go to a stripper bar either. If those men put that time and resources into there own relationships they wouldn't have to resort to those bars to see a naked lady.

Somebody gonna say it?:"Some ladies look better nekkid than others...."

Originally posted by wiandiii
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

Its not a question of intelligence, but a question of ethics. If they lack the ethics to not break the law now, than they will more than likely not have the ethics to properly and safety do there jobs later. I would be worried they would be more susceptible to bribes and payoffs that could potentially affect other peoples lives in a negative way. As far as not being born with a golden spoon in your mouth to be able to afford college, that's a problem with all the subsidization of the college industry raising prices adding to the wage/slave paradigm.

edit on 1-8-2011 by wiandiii because: for content and spelling

Ethics? I dont give a crap about ethics. Here is an ethical idea STOP charging so much damn money for college! They shove "Go to college" in your face in HS but if you don't have the money they don't even bother with you, you are tossed aside but if you have money they are so willing to help you even if you are a horrible student, it's about money not education and that is what is wrong with this country too.

You think pay offs and bribes only happen in prostitution? Sadly mistaken. It happens in ALL environments. You don't need to be labeled a prostitute to take bribes for money or do questionable things. It doesnt matter what kind of job you have these things happen all over.

If someone chooses to prostitute to pay their tuition then so be it, that is their choice. I agree they should be careful and safe and like I said escort services are all over. I actually had a friend who I found out was an escort and she was embarrassed that I found out but I didn't fault her. She has three kids to support and she is a damn good parent. She did what she had to do and I dont knock her, it's more than I can say about others. She was part of a service and they had to go to the doctor and get a clean bill of health every month....not all do this and I am not saying everyone should prostitute themselves for tuition but I get why some do it. I can't stand what i do but right now it's all I have with the job market here being so bad. Applying for a job is just as depressing here as is trying to get money for school.....

I have struggled for years for school and it is very depressing to me because I should have both my degrees right now but I don't, its taking time because of money and lack of it. I dont get the luxury of scholarships or my parents paying or anything like that. I can't even get aid or loans. I did last year and about fell over but not this year and my school is a fraction of the last one...go figure. It is very frustrating being an A student and the only thing keeping me from finishing is MONEY! Oh it pisses me off so much. I LOVE school actually. I am complete and utter dork and I love to learn but I dont have the money and I am right now looking for other job opportunities so I can get my classes paid for in January, if not I wont be going and all I need is about 3k...but that is a lot when you make less than 200 bucks a week. I'd sell my car if I could but then I'd have no way to school and back.

reply to post by wiandiii

If you have a healthy relationship why would you want to see another woman than your wife? There's many women that would feel that is cheating.

There's many of women that wouldn't.

If you are a single guy your time would be better spent finding a partner than stuffing your money in odd places.

In your opinion...

reply to post by mblahnikluver


I feel that frustration, I would love to go to college but coming from a poor family it was next to impossible. Back in 1997 when I graduated high school, tuition was high and I managed one year in college. Now with tuition even higher I have no idea how I could go back. Thankfully I am employed, it's in a job that doesn't pay much but I love what I do since my primary responsibility is caring for others instead of meeting a quota. Good luck finishing your degree.

EDIT: We should care about ethics, we would be in a better place if our politicians had some.

well......

First of all "im working to put my self through college/uni" has been a joke in mainstream comedy since like the 80's

So i dont think this is real news... it shas happened for sometime,

Secondly.. in amsterdam, and im sure some places in OZ (australia not the fantasy of a farmers daughter) it is leagal... so surley this just comes to conditioning of where you are brought up that this is a bad thing?

Thirdly (i never really get to the third point, dunno if thats correct) Who really cares if they are selling there body for sex... like people on here have said "they are willing to commit a crime"... just diffrent outlook on commiting a crime, like.. driving on the phone, or not paying for cable, jaywalking, what about keeping you child off school, or the many on here (and everywhere on earth) who partake in drugs, or maybe littering, undersgae drinking, noise pollution, all these things are crimes we can justify to ourselves at some point or another.

see... we justlfy commiting crimes that we dont really see as crimes, or we can morally decide are ok at the time, just these girls (and maybe men) have decided that selling there bodies isnt too much of a crime in comparrison to other issues and an easy way to make money!!

i am not saying they SHOULD sell there bodies to pay for Schooling, i am saying you cant judge them for it, i am also saying that i dont think its as black and white as they will commit more crimes in the future or they are bad people for doing so.

(as a side note)i dont go to Titty bars as its not my thing, however we go to them on stag do's i like seeing boobs while im drinking and having a laugh with my mates... alot of men do!




just my thoughts

Haha so I got intrigued and decided to spend 5 minutes on that site. Just read this as a part of an "easy lady's" profile:

**When a sugar daddy takes me out shopping on our first date/meeting or presents an allowance or $$ per meeting ,it shows me that you are legit and serious about an arrangement. Any man who just wants to buy me a couple drinks and trys to take me to bed i will absolutely NOT take serious and dismiss, im classy and that is not proper of a lady to do on a 1st date/ meeting. The 1st meeting will be to get to know each other and see if we will take it further.

So she's a classy lady, because classy ladies take money before a date.

Any man that might show interest in her and want to speak to her or just buy her a drink on a first date is what? Offensive?

Wow, and you may see that girl just walking down the street and you'd never know she's just a hooker.

Khar

Originally posted by hillynilly

Originally posted by mblahnikluver

Don't knock it. I am exotic dancer and have paid my own tuition from doing so as have quite a few girls I work with. At least they are getting out there and doing something and not milking the system. A job is a job....whether you approve or not. If someone chooses to sell their body for sex that is their business not mine.

How degrading can women get?

This country is going down the crap hole....

No never been to a topless bar..

I don't support degradation..

Sorry we have different opinions..

edit on 1-8-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)

Never been?
Oh well, I have...
Like to support the sisters every now and again. It's not like the female form offends me or the guys that appreciate it.

reply to post by Suspiria


Call it whatever you want

*helping the sisters out* *i'm putting her through college*
but a lady that has to stoop
to that level of *EASY MONEY*
is degrading herself like it or not...

*Mommy takes her shirt off for money so men can see her boobies*

That is degradation my friends..

de·grade
   /dɪˈgreɪd or, for 3, diˈgreɪd/ Show Spelled [dih-greyd or, for 3, dee-greyd] Show IPA verb, -grad·ed, -grad·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to lower in dignity or estimation; bring into contempt: He felt they were degrading him by making him report to the supervisor.
2.
to lower in character or quality; debase.
3.
to reduce (someone) to a lower rank, degree, etc.; deprive of office, rank, status, or title, especially as a punishment: degraded from director to assistant director.


How can something one willingly chooses to do be degrading to one's self?

You saying being a stripper, or escort, or dancer, or prostitute is degrading is more degrading than someone making a choice for themselves because by calling it "degrading" you are insinuating that these women meet the criteria in the definition given above. That is a personal attack.

Bottom line here is IT'S THEIR CHOICE. (their, possessive, because the choice belongs to them.)

Have you stopped to think that while it may be primarily for money, some people just aren't all up tight about nudity, sex, etc? It could be that they enjoy the work too? I used to go to a local club with friends, we'd all bring our girlfriends, we got to know everyone at the place and most if not all of the girls would happily tell you that they loved their jobs. Even if they could have made the same money working somewhere else they wouldn't have left! Please explain to me how your morals come into play when deciding if someone else's profession is degrading?? Who doesn't like to get naked, dance around a bit and have money thrown at them?? Seriously, it's not 100% sleezy, dirty, degrading, whatever.. There can still be a lot of respect in these relationships - anyone who is being degraded has the ability to get out of the situation.




ETA: Playing darts with strippers is ALOT of fun, you should try it.

Students in Western Europe have been doing that for years, especially Germany. Not that I endorse the practice but its not exactly a new thing anywhere but here.

reply to post by Backslider

How can something one willingly chooses to do be degrading to one's self?

You bring up a valid point. It isn't the actual act that is degrading, it is how they are treated by Western society afterward. Which is basically saying "This is degrading, because if you do it, we will treat you in contempt."

Originally posted by Backslider
de·grade
   /dɪˈgreɪd or, for 3, diˈgreɪd/ Show Spelled [dih-greyd or, for 3, dee-greyd] Show IPA verb, -grad·ed, -grad·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to lower in dignity or estimation; bring into contempt: He felt they were degrading him by making him report to the supervisor.
2.
to lower in character or quality; debase.
3.
to reduce (someone) to a lower rank, degree, etc.; deprive of office, rank, status, or title, especially as a punishment: degraded from director to assistant director.


How can something one willingly chooses to do be degrading to one's self?

You saying being a stripper, or escort, or dancer, or prostitute is degrading is more degrading than someone making a choice for themselves because by calling it "degrading" you are insinuating that these women meet the criteria in the definition given above. That is a personal attack.

Bottom line here is IT'S THEIR CHOICE. (their, possessive, because the choice belongs to them.)

Have you stopped to think that while it may be primarily for money, some people just aren't all up tight about nudity, sex, etc? It could be that they enjoy the work too? I used to go to a local club with friends, we'd all bring our girlfriends, we got to know everyone at the place and most if not all of the girls would happily tell you that they loved their jobs. Even if they could have made the same money working somewhere else they wouldn't have left! Please explain to me how your morals come into play when deciding if someone else's profession is degrading?? Who doesn't like to get naked, dance around a bit and have money thrown at them?? Seriously, it's not 100% sleezy, dirty, degrading, whatever.. There can still be a lot of respect in these relationships - anyone who is being degraded has the ability to get out of the situation.




ETA: Playing darts with strippers is ALOT of fun, you should try it.

edit on 1-8-2011 by Backslider because: (no reason given)

Degrading someone costs extra. Why don't they just do like all the others get a webcam and hit the net.

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
Who gives a crap if they prostituted themselves for a degree! It's pretty sad they have to go that route but that doesn't mean it affects their intelligence! Escort services are everywhere and many are legit and done in a business fashion, what do you care what people spend their money on or how they choose to pay for tuition. Do you have any idea how expensive it it? Some of use weren't born with a golden spoon in our mouths.

There are plenty of lazy ass people out there getting aid for school that could give a crap about that degree so some who don't have that luxury do other things to pay for it. I see no harm in it what so ever.

Don't knock it. I am exotic dancer and have paid my own tuition from doing so as have quite a few girls I work with. At least they are getting out there and doing something and not milking the system. A job is a job....whether you approve or not. If someone chooses to sell their body for sex that is their business not mine.

I don't care if my doctor was a prostitute, if she is a good doctor that all that matters. How she paid for her education is of no concern to me. She did it, that is what should matter.

I once read something about a porn star going to medical school. I would prefer not to know these things about my doctor because prostitution, while it is illegal, is so common. I don't agree with abortion either, but the only thing it has provided was no more back alley abortions.You can't legislate morality because people are going to do what people are going to do.

Prostitution is no different, but think about this...prostitutes and drug dealers can only thrive if they have customers. That is a fundamental law of business of supply and demand. No customers mean no demand. And I never hear people making an issue of the people who buy the services of the prostitutes. They are just as guilty if not more, because they not only went out looking for it, they bought it.

People's private lives should remain private, but when they start hurting innocent children then they should be made to stop and have legal action taken against them. Prostitution is not something I agree with, but it is one of those moral issues that we have to think about. If a man sees a prostitute on the street and buys her services, then it is his money he gives away. If he has a wife and children that he could have been feeding with that money, then let him be accountable to them. I don't agree with prostitution, but legalizing really does not change anything. I say legalize it, because people are not going to stop.

We have an age limit on alcohol and tobacco sales, why not prostitution?

Originally posted by Backslider

ETA: Playing darts with strippers is ALOT of fun, you should try it.

edit on 1-8-2011 by Backslider because: (no reason given)

It is not a victim-less crime when you have kid's..
Let the kid's at school find out what mommy does
and see how victim-less it is...

Or when that prostitute ends up in a gutter...

Degradation...