Preliminary report on Alien Tissue and Fluid samples. PROOF, folks.

Originally posted by wildtimes
Guys, the "John" here with his dogs doesn't sound like the same story. This guy is a therapist, not a rancher. The only similarity is the sword bit.
Does anyone have info on the RANCHER?

Ummm, just how many Johns do you think are out there cutting aliens up with Samuri Swords?

2nd

Even if there were pics, you "BS callers" would rip them to shreds. The tendency on this forum is nearly always to start mocking and shouting "BS" and "hoax" and "liar" and "fraud", and ALWAYS there are the "pics or it didn't happen." Then people post pics, and you say "fake".

Obvi there are some folks looking at this thread who find it has at least enough merit to warrant further investigation. That's what I'm doing...trying to find more backup, more information, and learn about these people.

I'm not saying the story is true, and I am not saying it is false!

I.
Don't.
Know.

And none of you do, either.

Did you notice the paragraph saying that ex FBI and CIA people had interviewed the person quoted (which I think was Mr Levengood, but that particular quote doesn't say 'so-and-so said'. it is nevertheless sandwiched between two things Levengood said)? Where he said the reason he had not gone public was because....ah, bother....HERE: read it again, and pay attention, please:

"Robert Bigelow and his agency spent close to a month studying the ranch and the events here and my wife and I underwent extensive interviewing, videotaping,and analysis by ex FBI and CIA investigators. Everyone involved has had a consensus that the events here are real, accurate in nature, and have not been publicly released due to my desire to avoid a deluge of publicity which will neither further the investigation nor heighten the hard science approach to an unexplained phenomena that deserves the respect of remaining a discussion between professionals.

Clearly it is not getting the deserved "respect" here, with the exception of a few open-minded readers...so I can't say I blame him. He's absolutely correct in his prediction that publicity would "neither further the investigation nor heighten the hard science approach".

Thanks to those of you who have braved these sharky waters to point out that the story can not be DISPROVEN.

And btw, to those of you rolling on the floor laughing your keesters off, I'm glad you're having a good time! Oh, but as regards your efforts to hurt my feelings.....FAIL.

The truth is not determined by a show of hands, people.

reply to post by Ironclad


I have no idea. But again, any rancher worth his salt, or any person living on a ranch or in a rural environment, would be very ill-prepared not to have a variety of blades sharpened and available.

i have to believe the op i always carry two swords on my ranch
one for aliens one for the animals

exopoliticsjournal.com...

Book Review - Exempt From Disclosure: The Disturbing Case About the UFO Coverup, by
Robert M. Collins & Richard C. Doty with Tim Cooper as a contributing writer (Peregrine
Communications, 2005) ISBN 0-9766426-0-3.

The two main authors, Robert M. Collins and Richard C.
Doty, supported in part with documents provided by Tim
Cooper, have painted what impresses this reviewer as an approximately accurate history of the
handling of this topic inside the deepest confines of counterintelligence.
Collins, a retired Air Force Intelligence Officer with the Foreign Technology Division, and Doty,
a retired counterintelligence Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent, have put their
knowledge together to create an impressively coherent history of the internal and external
relationships surrounding the UFO topic in the United States. They identify specific people with seeming accuracy as to their involvement, and begin the story of their interaction in the fall of 1986.

Please look at this book review written by a Doctor, and note Collins and Doty are both ex-military. Has anyone happened to read the book?

reply to post by wildtimes


This post helped track things.

Maybe details "lost in translation", including lack of oral fulfillment limiting to masters and impeding PhD upgrade, and U of Michigan rather than National Institute of Science issuing it.

This clarifies the "thesis equivalent".

mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/Record/003918343/Description

Bioelectric currents and oxidant levels in plant systems : a dissertation submitted in partial fulfillment ... for the degree of Master of Science-Forestry ... / by William C. Levengood.

Contributors: University of Michigan. School of Natural Resources.

Note: Thesis equivalent (M.S.)--University of Michigan, 1970.

reply to post by wildtimes


it is easy to ascertain that certain happenings, would be so sensational, that people would report it to media/the government/authoroties long before one would grab the nearest katana and slice someone up. Under these cirtumstances, furthermore one would understand the urgency of documentation, as one would know this would not be believed otherwise.

That is what is strange here, and in many similar reports. If it defies this simple logic, it probably did not happen. Hoax

Hoax or not, I'm going to write a movie based on this story and make a million dollars!

Even though this particular story might be fake it doesn't really matter to me.

I have had multiple personal sightings with other people, even one up close that was a metallic disk that spun like a wheel.

Also I saw a shadow thing that was not human like at all, and it had straight edges (almost like an advanced cloaking spacesuit).

So when I add up my own bizarre inexplicable sightings, I can't help but conclude that people will have to just personally experience these things themselves on their own. There is absolutely no way I could prove my stories, and even if I had video tape or cameras people would have sworn they were hoaxes anyways.

But once they see that stuff themselves...they are gonna crap their pants. I am just playing the waiting game, I am waiting for people to see things themselves then they can open their minds to what might really be going on here at Earth. I wonder about it all the time but we are missing many pieces of the puzzle still, as a species.

So don't take things so seriously. Like Carl Sagan pointed out, we shouldn't fall prey to attaching our personal identities with particular ideas. We all do it, no one's perfect, but we should at least try to avoid it if we possibly can.

Rest assured the surprising reality we don't know anything about will continue to reveal it's depth as the days pass. That is the nature of the course of discovery we are all on. Everyone will figure out what they need to know soon enough.

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by Laokin

 

guess it just wasn't that alien's day!

probably wore his anti-projectile shield instead of his anti-samurai sword shield!

one would think they have pics and a skeleton at least.

I don't argue with supposition. I argue with facts. At the present time there is more evidence that the story occurred as it were, than any other story contained in this thread.

Again... the legitimacy of the evidence is indeed in question... but until it's proven to be fake or otherwise -- any other claim made against it has less weight or merit.

Also, asking for pictures and a skeleton are completely out of context... as per the story... the body simply vanished abruptly.

Also,

You suppose they have shields. Why? Because in scifi movies and books they have shields? You have no evidence to support the claim that aliens would use Armor of any kind... let alone really ever need it to begin with.

Supposition time for your entertainment... since you seem so positively thrilled by this thread, I'll quench your thirst.

They may not have shields at all, they may not need them. According to the story... they control you through a form a telepathy... and for some reason unknown he was able to withstand this form of control...

His resistance to control may be linked to a hospital visit that allegedly diagnosed him with a fatty cyst on his brain that had ruptured in his sleep which allegedly took place before the sword cutting action.

Why would you need armor when you are for all intents and purposes -- functionally invisible? All the while maintaining the ability to telepathically control anyone whom you MIGHT be revealed to...

Or do you also suppose with no experience or evidence that E.T. are immune to unforeseen consequences?



The only correct answer to this question is this:

"I don't know."

Oh and to clarify... since you don't seem to have any reading comprehension either...

I don't believe it nor disbelieve it. I haven't made a judgement because there is a clear lack of information at this current time. However... if this were a scientific debate... Mr. Cowboy Samurai's story would actually have more credibility and weight than any counter claim so far... since he has the "Blood" for evidence.

This lies as a point of contention for now because until the evidence can be verified to be fake or otherwise no claim can be proven.

It's really that simple.

edit on 31-7-2011 by Laokin because: (no reason given)

there ya go,

this guy has something explode in his brain and the fights off a grey's mind control and invisibility with his newly oozing brains and almost chops this thing in half WITH a katana, no, a "samurai sword" and the the body disappears?
probably was this guys neighbor.

by the way, any grey who is worth his salt should have some protection. they know how deadly we are.


also, i was sorta joking.

No one will ever believe in UFOs untill one lands in the middle of the most popular place on earth with a flashing neon sign on top with the blinking words "UFO" whilst being shown on every T.V channel on the world. Even then it will be GOD arriving in a taxi to get his beard trimmed.

The story is outrageous and the comments are very interesting. I don't believe it happened either. If this guy is planning on capturing another alien in a cage that prevents teleportation, he should consider installing video cameras to tape the event & maybe wearing one on his head. No body, no video, no photos....except of some alleged strange tissue.

If someone looks at the photos that are supposed to be alien tissue under a microscope and verifies that it is, indeed 'alien', it would prove nothing. That's like seeing a photo of a sandal in the ocean and saying it proves Bin Laden was buried at sea. (same situation....lack of photos, videos and a body)

Greys and reptilians are interdimensional beings whom can enter dreams and manipulate people in dream space. No one on this thread seems to know squat about the alien he's claiming to have slayed with his sword. There are plenty of threads here on ATS to learn about that. I've had experiences with them since I was born, so it's hard for me to 'forget' this little detail. LOL.

reply to post by fatpastyhead


i never said i don't believe in ufo's or aliens or god.

just this story.

Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by wildtimes

 

it is easy to ascertain that certain happenings, would be so sensational, that people would report it to media/the government/authoroties long before one would grab the nearest katana and slice someone up. Under these cirtumstances, furthermore one would understand the urgency of documentation, as one would know this would not be believed otherwise.

That is what is strange here, and in many similar reports. If it defies this simple logic, it probably did not happen. Hoax

edit on 31-7-2011 by NeoVain because: (no reason given)

Poor logic. never assume people will do what you personally think you would do.
a million people, a million different outcomes...hell, he was a rancher, I am suprised he didn't try to barbecue and eat it afterwards.

reply to post by wildtimes

I would like to know how the farmer was able to over come the way the aliens seem to freee people in place?When they do the alien abductions people always say they are frozen in place and cant move.
Maybe the farmer has the ability to stop the aliens from being able to manipulate there brain.This to me is more of a puzzle,a way to stop the aliens from being able to take us without our ability to stop them.As a child i had these kinda night terrors.From those situations i became so claustrophobic.I have lived my nightmares while being awake and unable to move.So if i could learn how to stop there ability to freeze me and others who have been threw these situations would be the best thing possible.
Would wonder what the aliens would do if all people could stop the brain manipulation?Would they then rethink the abductions they are doing to us now?
The aliens do believe we the humans are just lab rats.They have no compassion for our feelings or our future brain issues after a life time of abductions.
So to be able to fight back in anyway would be better than nothing.I wonder if anyone else has thought about the fact that maybe this farmer has some hidden ability to stop the aliens from being able to control him?
Ok hope to hear back on this idea,haven't never seen anything coming from this point of view.

reply to post by Dwflatbroke

Isn't the paralysis only in the dream state (where most people encounter them?)

I need no more proof than a night in Michigan in 1964. Four friends and I were standing on a hill out in the woods, trying to make some night moves. (as Bob Seger would write in a song) Realizing that my moves weren't quite working out, my eyes wandered into the night sky. Moving from North to South I spotted three points of light in the formation (very clear and no moon) of a triangle. As I watched these points of light they seemed to be moving in relationship to the background of stars around them. As they moved closer, and seemed to be moving rather fast, I decided to gain everyone's attention. I pointed, and they finally spotted the movement. There was disbelief among us. They were so high, and moveing so fast it was seconds before they would pass from our site . Our last view, was that they moved from a point A to B in less than the blink of the eye and were gone.
I still look, wonder, hope and wait.

Saturn you killing me, the humor on ATS lately is great.

Anyhow, FYI for people here on ATS, what better way to discredit stories then weave hype into them.

Easy ways to discredit a story is to sensationalize it 10 fold, then add conflicting rumors. People are easily diverted by ways of distraction and misinformation.

Whether this one is true of not, ATS is still about denying ignorance.

Time to peel away the layers, then find out what is left. If it's nothing, then it was BS, but maybe there is a layer of truth?

The sword bit was over the top though, lol

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Poor logic. never assume people will do what you personally think you would do.
a million people, a million different outcomes...hell, he was a rancher, I am suprised he didn't try to barbecue and eat it afterwards.

I entered this thread because of the word 'proof'. Once again, for the millionth time, I've been undoubtedly let down. I am so tired of threads like these. Threads like this one, are becoming humorous to me now. Enough of my ranting and back to the thread. Seriously, a samurai sword? The person just happened to carry a samurai sword with them and kill a grey? I'm really supposed to believe that? And proof? Proof compared to what? Another disappointing thread that belittles the 'mother of all conspiracy theories': Aliens and UFO'S

Originally posted by wildtimes

The witness wiped up the blood/fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two parts with an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword after hand to hand combat with these little parasites.We have plenty of evidence to prove it, gathered over many years." These samples were analyzed bya Dr Levengood and Amanda N. Nimke in 2009.

Flaw #1: Where is the body? According to the information within this article, Dr. Levengod only tested tissue samples for DNA. If the witness split the Gray into two parts, he should have two sections of an alien body. Where is the alien body? Pictures?

Originally posted by wildtimes

Blood found? Dr Levengood: "It's pure hemoglobin like that found at the Cattle Mutilation sites with what appears to be segment rods in the blood, never seen anything like it."

Flaw #2: Even though he compared the samples to tissue found at cattle mutilations, what 'other' uncontaminated alien DNA did he compare it to?

Originally posted by wildtimes

The witness wiped up the blood/fluid and tissue of the Gray...

Originally posted by wildtimes

Skin looks like segmented grass except it's not grass Levengood said...

Originally posted by wildtimes

"You have the smoking gun," "this is proof of alien life visiting Earth and links the phenomenon together positively!" These were Dr. Levengood's words!

Flaw #3: Wrong. Since the witness had contaminated the site and samples, the evidence Dr. Levengood had tested should be tainted with other materials. If the witness wiped the blood up with a towel, tissue, or piece of clothing, the grass segments he is looking at comes from those materials.

This is a major hoax.