The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

its a given that anyone who pushes communism has never lived under it.

Originally posted by neo96
its a given that anyone who pushes communism has never lived under it.

Who is 'pushing communism'?

reply to post by inforeal

If the left wingers were threatening to default the country then I would denounce them as I am denouncing the republican tea party.

Then I suggest you do some reading first like I did. I even put it up as a thread for discussion.

Shutdown of the Federal Government: Causes, Processes, and Effect by Clinton T. Brass, Analyst in Government Organization and Management.

He states:

.... If interim or full-year appropriations are not enacted into law, the time interval when agency appropriations are not enacted is referred to as a “funding gap.”5 A funding gap also may occur any time a CR expires and another CR (or regular appropriations bill) is not enacted immediately thereafter. When a funding gap occurs, the federal government begins a “shutdown” of the affected activities, including the furlough of non-emergency personnel and curtailment of agency activities and services. Programs that are funded by laws other than annual appropriations acts (e.g., entitlements like Social Security) also may be affected by a funding gap, if program execution relies on activities that receive annually appropriated funding....

The Hysteria about defaulting on the federal debt is just that, Good Theater, to scare the begeez out of old folks and others to bring them back in line.

Do you really think the Banksters wouldn't make DARN SURE THEY get the FIRST slice of tax payer money????

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Or more correctly neo, why are you supporting a communist system?

After all, free market economics is communism repacked, where by any name, the elites rule, the people don't actually get paid, and the country is bankrupt. These are the results of free market economics.

reply to post by crimvelvet


I have acknowledged many times that many democrats are in the pockets of the bankers.

Clinton did support the free trade agreement, although he did push for environmental and labor standards, which everyone forgets. Clinton also foolishly signed the banking deregulation push by repubs in congress.

I recognize this, but while liberals give in to many of these right wing proposals that have lead to our current situation, it is the republicans who eagerly push their reforms that mainly work to destroy the middle class in the U.S. and turn control of our nation over to the bankers.

You go on and on about Clinton, but don't bother so say that in these things, he was in alignment with the free market republicans. You never acknowledge that it was under Reagan that our massive slide into debt began, and corruption ran amok. The battle against elites has always existed, BUT it is in the Reagan era when our current problems began.

reply to post by inforeal
I don't want to be penalized for making a one-line response otherwise, I would simply say B S to the OP's post. I personally believe Obama is not qualified to hold the office of President to begin with but that not withstanding, he is not competent enough to be President. However, we have had plenty of incompetent Presidents in our history and so that too not withstanding, I consider the man the #1 Enemy of our Republic, that he has violated his oath of office numerous time and has caused more harm to our nation than any President in my lifetime. No Doubt, George Bush was/is a BAD GUY and stupid but Obama knows what he is doing and has shoved our country down the tubes so hard on so many counts that our worst enemies could not have done a better job of screwing us up.

So gain I say BULL S--- to the content post opening this thread but I hope you will not be weak and will stand right where you are and keep waving your flag. The scum of our country are rising up and trying to take over. I don't care what they do to their bodies our how they lie their lives, as long a it is not in my face, shoved down my throat or my families but you Obama Types, you Clinton Types.your days in the light and in our faces are drawing to an end.

And as for this "New Deal" on the Debt Ceiling...that too is not done and if they go forward on it, everyone man and woman behind it is going to be looking for new jobs come election time..although I wish they would be looking for bunk space in one of our prisons.

Wow The beauty of a post is no one has to read it! The headline says it all. The Tea Party sprung up when a half crazed lunatic, mad with power, introduced radical spending proposal after radical spending proposal his first year in office. The biggest of which was health care which is nothing more than a government out of whack seizing 1/7t of the United States economy.

The Tea Party movement is a reaction to Obama's radical grab for power. It is the most democratic expression of freedom the country has seen in one hundred years. The Tea Party patriots are a direct manifestation of citizens exercising two fundamental principles expressly guaranteed by the United States Consititution: 1) The right of a people to peaceably assemble 2) The right of a people to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

These are not invented "rights" like the "right to abortion" or "gay" rights. These rights are expressly guaranteed!

reply to post by MajorKarma


This is a strange place!

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

If you could ever pull your head out of knee-jerk partisanship, you'd realize that thinking the Tea Party has been hijacked and that the Tea Party caucus in the House are either idiots or traitors doesn't automatically mean that anyone holds Pelosi, the Dems, or Huffington in high regard. Both parties have screwed up, ignored the country's needs, etc...but what did you expect? They mostly all come from the same class, the same colleges, the sam fraternities and sororities.

They represent the same people, and those people aren't us.

Capitalism as currently practiced in the US is a major failure and needs overhaul.

Saying that doesn'r make me a commie or a socialist, it makes me a realist.

Calling me either a commie or a soc makes you just abysmally ignorant and unwilling to face realities.

This statement
"Capitalism as currently practiced in the US is a major failure and needs overhaul.' means you do not know what capitalism is or have sub-consciously absorbed the "collectivist" point of view whether you admit it or not. The hatred of capitalism is one characteristic of socialism.

Capitalism has not been practiced in the USA for a hundred years because Fractional Reserve Banking and Capitalism can not co-exist. Fiat based "investment" has an unfair advantage compared to wealth based"investment" because it is far far cheaper.

The system you call "Capitalism" is actually a sophisticated fraud that allows the theft of peoples wealth (fiat currency) to be used to fund big corporations, bankers and government.

So what is capitalism???
Capitalism, is a system based on individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. Wealth belongs to the individual who produced it and is reinvested to produce more wealth thereby making himself and others better off. Wealth is not siphoned off the public by the bankers to be given top their corporate buddies as is true in the current system.

The elite and their propaganda machine the MSM have twisted the definition so that now most people think the present neocorporatism is capitalism when nothing is further from the truth.

When I speak of neocorporatism I mean the collusion between the government and corporations. (This is not the classic definition of corporatism.) Neocorporatism kills innovation, entrepreneurs and eventually the economy.

Originally posted by poet1b
You people who have bought into this free market advertising campaign, who fail to see that the free market concept is nothing but repackaged communism, are helping those who want to destroy the government of the U.S., and turn control of our country over to International Corporations, primarily the bankers.

Wait... "communism"="fee market economics"="capitalism"=corporatism"?

I begin to see where your odd notions come from in the remainder of that post. Care to explain just how your mind makes those rather odd connections?

I'm told I "just don't understand communism". Maybe not, if that's the sort of connections you make out of it...

Enlighten me.

Taiwan presented the best analysis of the tea party yet

LINK

As long as the TP guys listen to blatantly dumb people like Palin/Bachmann, it's really really really reaaaaally hard to take them seriously

reply to post by NoHierarchy

NASA...
Oh Jesus... you serious? Get out of here with that.

Step back and think about WHERE the funding comes from, not only for NASA but any Science programs.... The Elite of course because they control all the purse strings.

For example:
My Doctor went to a doctor in Canada and had her rheumatoid arthritis arrested. NO PAIN, NO MORE DETERIORATION. She could literally beat her swollen knuckles on a podium with no problem which she did in front of a camera. She helped the doctor in Canada try to get the medicine into the USA. She even appeared on TV. NO DICE. It is fifty years later and it is all but forgotten but the Arthritis Foundation continues to collect megabucks. And the ROCKEFELLERS Big Pharma continues to collect mega-bucks from the people crippled with rheumatoid arthritis.


There is one rule: FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!

reply to post by inforeal

Globalists only pretend to be progressives as they sometimes pretend to be conservatives.

When globalists start talking about ending war and feeding the starving, and gearing resources to ending suffering for all in the earth then they will be true progressives

I can not believe you said that. Are you really that niave that you can not see the elite are LIARS!?!

Remember the IMF/World Bank SAPs and Senegal I posted a few pages earlier?

Well here is the touchy feely crap from the World Bankers who are raping Africa..

Africa's Future and the World Bank's Support to it

With Africa facing an unprecedented opportunity to transform itself and improve the lives of its people, the World Bank is responding with a new, ambitious strategy which could help African economies take off.

# Competitiveness and employment -
The plan will assist countries to diversify their economies and generate jobs, especially for the 7-10 million young people entering the labor force each year. It will help to close the gap between infrastructure needs and investments -- currently about $48 billion annually -- and support efforts to make it easier for business to operate. In addition, the plan will focus on building the skills of workers.
# Vulnerability and resilience - Africa’s poor are directly affected by shocks -- economic, health-related, natural disasters and conflict -- which keep them in poverty. By focusing on better health care, dealing preemptively with the effects of climate change through improved irrigation and water management, and strengthening public agencies to share resources more fairly and build consensus, the plan seeks to reduce the number of shocks and limit the damage from those that do occur.

# Governance and public sector capacity -
Critical services, in education, health and basic infrastructure, are too often either not delivered or delivered badly because of weak management of public funds. The Bank’s program of support aims to give citizens better information on what they should expect from their governments, as well as the capacity to report on instances when services are not delivered properly. The Bank will also work directly with governments to help them improve their systems and capacity to deliver basic services and manage accounts. web.worldbank.org...:22846778~pagePK:146736~piPK:226340~theSitePK:258644,00.html

Now contrast that with reality:

.....as the North congratulates itself and celebrates, the South and its three billion poor will tear out their hair in rage. For the operations of these agencies there have been catastrophic. Instead of development and favorable adjustment, the Third World today is in an accelerated spiral of economic and social decline. That decline is linked directly to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

IMF-World Bank structural adjustment programs (SAPs) are designed to reduce consumption in developing countries and to redirect resources to manufacturing exports for the repayment of debt. This has caused overproduction of primary products and a precipitous fall in their prices. It has also led to the devastation of traditional agriculture and to the emergence of hordes of landless farmers in virtually every country in which the World Bank and IMF operate. Food security has declined dramatically in all Third World regions, but in Africa in particular... www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by Jezus

 

If you do some research you will find the "grass roots" claims are completely fabricated.

ERRRRrrrr,

I was part of the base group before the word "Tea Party" was ever even coined! That was several years ago.

Is TPTB trying to grab control or sideline them? OF COURSE! What the heck did you expect? For them to say "OH, sorry, will give back all the money and power we stole"???

But the grass roots groups have been around since before the 2008 election, here are some I have had "dealings with"
nonais.org...
naissucks.com...
Naisinfocentral
Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund
farmwars.info...
www.grannywarriors.com...
stopanimalid.org...
www.r-calfusa.com...

I appreciate the fact that grass roots groups do exist...

However, the tea party actions and the corporate agenda on the federal level are completely linked.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

No one?

It's absurd to pretend that the only people critical of the GOP are Democrats.

GOOD, glad to hear it.

I am just getting sick of the Bush bashing. The day Bush took office the "recession" (what recession ) was blamed on him. I remember because Hubby and I stood open mouthed listening to the radio talk show Bush Bashing. Obama has been in office 2 and 1/2 years and Bush is STILL getting the blame. ENOUGH!

Obama wanted the President's Office HE now OWNS the problems!

I would very much like to toss Bush in jail, but only for HIS crimes... Actually I would like to toss most of D.C. in jail

reply to post by RevRay


This post moved me. Especially since I came to the US in the mid-eighties and I knew a few veterans.

Let me post a VIRAL JOKE for you - maybe it shows a lighter side of life:

- 20 years ago, my dream was
to have 600 dollars a month, and
to be able to drive an '86 Volkswagen convertible.
By now I achieved both.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Spare me the lecture...I know the theoretical differences.

Whatever it is, it's being passed off as capitalism, and whatever you call it it is a failure.

reply to post by Jezus

I appreciate the fact that grass roots groups do exist...

However, the tea party actions and the corporate agenda on the federal level are completely linked.

I hope you realize that the Cartels are very much FOR lots of Federal Regulation. This is a point a lot of people miss. I did until I was active in the "Farm Wars"

The USDA and FDA act as arms of the Corporate Ag Cartel and not as arms of the Federal government. THAT is one of the best reasons I can think of to cut their funding. "FOOD SAFETY" went out the door in 1996 with the FDA implementing HACCP (Corporate self policing) and the closing of government testing labs.

I have pages and pages of references but this one does the best job without lots of reading. SHIELDING THE GIANTS I am sure this type of nasty corruption is seen throughout the US government. I know a retired EPA scientist who has some real horror stories and here is Sancho's EPA comment


More info:
smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...

Given the Government-industry revolving door I do not see how cutting the Federal Government is helping the corporations. Put inspection at the STATE level where we citizens can kick butt if stuff like that in Shielding The Giants happens.

Midway down in this post I address the optimum size of a business and why Regs are needed to even the playing field so Big business can compete with the more agile small firms.

I have given seven years of thought and research to this and we really need to rein in the fools in Washington DC if we want a country in 2025

reply to post by apacheman

Spare me the lecture...I know the theoretical differences.

Whatever it is, it's being passed off as capitalism, and whatever you call it it is a failure.

Good I am glad you know the difference so call it by the correct name and quit blackening the name of Capitalism.

reply to post by nenothtu


What is the difference from the government running everything [ communism] than a small group of oligarchs
[ capitalism] running everything.