New ATS Poll: The U.S. Debt Crisis

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I'm not American but I know fully well that this will impact Canada. Harper sleeps with the U.S. government and we too are hooped as a result. The impact will affect the world I believe and already is.

I want to know why Ron Paul is not put in a greater position of power in all this mess. Oh wait, they fear him.

Suffice it to say, there was no question regarding Ron Paul's approach to solving the crisis (at least in the short term) which I wholeheartedly agree. Have the Fed destroy the treasury bonds it holds. It's a simple way to get rid of over a trillion dollars in debt without having to raise the stupid debt ceiling. Why on earth is everyone convinced that this has to be done. Cut the precious entitlement programs. Ron Paul and others who voted no to the house plan deserve credit.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Im not American so im not bothered either way.

Our national news tells us that raisng the debt celing will only delay the inevitable so good luck with that

edit on 29-7-2011 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

That's a pretty ignorant position, sir. Since the dollar is the global reserve currency, it concerns everyone.

I think the pimple finally needs to burst so the world can get back on track, which means no debt ceiling increase. Sure, it will sting a bit but it will be a lot better than letting it turn into a boil that keeps filling with pus. That's a mess no one wants to deal with, including the specialists that know how to drain it.

How about decreasing the budget by the 80% they spend on the military and war machine? That would allow everyone to purchase some zit cream and deal with their own day to day skin problems without worry. And that's what I call being "ProActiv".

Typical survey. It is like a poll, without Ron Paul.
Debt Ceiling...but no talk about the fact that we "owe" it to private bankers that actually never loaned us ANYTHING!
Typical left vs. right options. Pick your side.
Skeptic Overlord, please consider this.
If we dumb down, or TRY to dumb down the few people that are actually paying attention to the insanity that plagues our nation, what do we accomplish? How does this "survey" help anyone at all?
Stupid. No vision.
Typical.
My two cents after inflation. Post a survey about that.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Good to see the ATS Think Tank is still Rocking and a Rolling!

Cheers to you all !

More fun and games,as usual.They used this to posture and pander to their programed and blinded bases.I'm telling y'all right now this is the beginning of the march towards feudalism it's what the banksters and the others want.

In my opinion we are starting to see the beginning of the end.

In the near future countries may stop doing so much business with other countries are start to be more self sufficient.

Personally, I'm kind of glad to see the current climate as far as the people's attitude towards the government during this fiasco. I don't see much partisan bickering going on among us all, not nearly as much as usual. We the people seem to be in agreement that both parties are a joke, looks like the designed division may be starting to wear off...we see who's really screwing us all over, hiding behind their bought politicians. We'll see when they pull the nose up at the last minute, if the people forget and go back to the way things were before. I'm hoping all this brings change, but I was hopeful during the TARP thing too, and was disappointed.

I read the first question and decided not to take the poll - the questions are loaded and I object. Failure to raise the debt ceiling does not put the country in default. Default is failure to pay your bills. A higher debt ceiling means you can borrow more money. Now it may or may not be that we have to borrow to pay the bills but giving the bad accounting in DC I don't know how true that is.

reply to post by Chett


Not to mention, borrowing money, to pay your bills, isn't really paying your bills. It's paying one bill, and incurring another. A kindergartener could probably figure out that won't work for too long. It's almost like check kiting, which is actually illegal.

I think my feeling are best expressed in song. Be sure to read the last verse, most don't know the full song.

Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

Chorus (2x)

reply to post by Egyptia

It won't effect us as much as you think. Canada has already been working on creating good economic relations with China and India.This was done on purpose because we knew what was coming. Increasing trading with India and China will easily fill any void of trade with the US. Canada will not fall alongside the US, we have been preparing for this for over 8 years. Have you seen Canada collapsing at all? I am in Alberta and everything is just peachy actually. Everyone is mowing their lawns, taking out the garbage, going to work, having block parties, enjoying some BBQ, . Two nights ago all my neighbors were just chilling out in their backyards having a blast of a time. So I don't know what you are referring to exactly. I know there has been a lot of layoffs in the first few years of this crisis but there are already quite a few places looking for employees. I think one of the main factors that saved us is that we have a law that forbids the government from bailing out any Banks here.

Peace, Nova

America is going down and going down fast I feel sorry for ou guys its getting so bad that we are now hearing about it over here in Australia just yesterday they were talking about how bad it is and that even if you do raise the debt ceiling it is just postponing the inevitable... I feel for you guys

reply to post by Lightbringer38

I feel for you guys

If it does go down, all I can say is that it has been one hell of a ride. Sure we will find a way to rebound.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I took the survey, but I was looking for a couple specific questions that were not asked:

"Do you believe the debt ceiling should be raised?"

"Do you believe a Balanced Budget Amendment should be sent to the States for ratification?"

I have to say, I really like the question about who do we think is most corrupt. All of them, significantly!

reply to post by jam321

I don't mean to sound cold in my post. Actually I think the majority of people (including myself) hope things will turn around for the US. I have family members that live in California and it is not looking good for them neither. If it does go down and Americans' don't receive their monthly payments. I wonder if a revolt would begin, esp. regarding Iraq military vets. This could become even more serious, I mean if currently active troops see and hear about the real possibility that this could also happen to them. What would their response be?

reply to post by Novatrino

I don't mean to sound cold in my post.

I didn't take it that way my friend. I appreciate your concern. Just a jam we got ourselves into that we never imagine would happen to us.

Things probably have the potential to go bad but hope for the best.

Hi all, I frequent the site but don't really post at all, but wanted to share an important piece of information. I'm sure that some, if not many, of you are receiving either Social Security benefits or benefits from the VA. I receive both personally, and I know there's been much fear and trepidation about receiving these benefits next month. Well, to alleviate fears I'm pleased to let you know that I've received the "Pending Deposits" for my benefits, and this has never happened in the past unless the money was coming.

However, just to be safe I called my financial institution to see what this meant, exactly. For instance, if it was just an "expected deposit" or whatever, and they assured me that yes, they had received the deposit and no, there was no chance that it could be reversed. As far as anything else on the topic I'm not really aware, and I'm sorry if this post is off topic, but I know that many like myself were probably concerned over this, as the President personally threatened millions with not receiving benefits. Thanks for your time and I hope this helps to ease some troubled minds. God Bless.

reply to post by QuantumEcho


That is some good news! I feel as though some weight has be lifted from my shoulders It gives me hope and to read you got your check is very positive.

Just my two cents. We are taxed enough. Sure, the income tax may not be horrible, percentage wise, but when you look at everything else and all the items they simply don't call tax...it is more than enough. Plus...raising taxes on anyone can not help the economy. It is simply taking more from the people and functioning businesses and giving it away. Its not like spending this "revenue" is going to make us money in the long run. And...as broke as I am, I know that it is unfair to tax someone more, simply because they have more. A percentage (or rising percentage as we use) is the only fair way.

Saying we should raise taxes on the "wealthy" is like saying we should steal food from the grocery store...because they have it and we (or in this case, our government) wants it. It may make more sense than taxing the poor more, but it is no less unfair.

I say...don't raise the debt limit. Let it fail and force our "leaders" to cut expense from all non-essential items first. Then, cut expense from items in priority order. Any threat of "you won't get your check" is just another game and...a threat. Our government, let alone our President shouldn't be threatening the people.

We have to live within our means and this needs to be corrected ASAP. As one who went through bankruptcy once, I can tell you that borrowing more and more can ONLY get you deeper in the hole.

I'm sure I'm quoting someone else...I don't know who, but..."if not now, when?"