A real depopulation event, right now... really

The way I see it is the deficit plays right into TPTB hands.

1)We the US defaults
2)panic begins as people do not get their checks/entitlements
3)unemployment increases
4)Crime rises sharply, especially in inner cities
5)People begin to get eviction notices from slumlords
6)Chaos ensues, President declares a astate of emergency and institutes Martial Law
7)The poor who set up tent cities(look at the Great Depression) are considered a nuisense and can not care for themselves, the government states it will take care of these peoples needs to survive and relocate them to Fusion(FEMA) Centers.
8)The government which is running on fumes financially are not able to take care of many of the residents of these Fusion centers. People begin to die, riots break out.

What happens next? I do not know but it could be very ugly.

Just look at what happened with the Hitler administration. Once the Germans began taking in 500k POW here, 2mil there, especially during the Russian front they could not take care of their prisoners. That is when they began mass exterminating them.

We can not afford to fight these wars in the Middle East, keep bases running in 120+ other countries and expect to take care of the citizens also. Resources have been spread thin. Food will already be scarce here with how the Midwest was flooded earlier this summer the farmers could not plant their crops early enough. Food prices have risen steadily the last 6 months, and will continue.

reply to post by seejanerun2


This exact reason right here,the same threat many of my respected elders face RIGHT NOW,is why Washington better think long and damn hard..

Many have take it on the chin the last several years..Hell I have lost near everything but I keep going..If I am forced to watch those I respect and look up to pass due to this incompetence and thievery, well,honestly I should probably not put that into print...

this is nothing new and has been going on for the new america to be put into place
they lose no votes because of the immigrants that get here illegally and are eligible for more help than a born citizen
why would someone who broke the laws be entitled and someone who did not be not eligible ?
add in that the middle class is gone and no jobs unemployment massive
you know to get one of them McDonalds jobs you have to speak Spanish
why do people think the only jobs available are for people willing to take scraps
the people who have been misled want too much ss was destroyed when people who did not pay in started emptying the accounts
how does an alcoholic or a drug addict qualify for ssi ??
why does a father die his wife collect forever his kids til 18 ?
yeah the people in charge have made sure the baby boomers will never get what they were told
you see we were misled to believe in STUFF and consume throw away get some more stuff
why was walmart all american at start ? more smoke and mirrors so when change to no american things in store
you did not even notice did you
just my honest opinion

reply to post by redoubt


I could be wrong but I like to think if the gooberment stole their ss checks we the people wouldn't allow this to happen. We the people pay for ss, if they refuse to give it back then thats theft. I hope people wake up and realize this and say no. Remember the gooberment is suppose to work for us not the other way around. Some people need education.

After reading several threads about the possible end of ss checks, the why's and the what for's. Whose fault and who is going to die I am wondering just what can I do as a daughter of a father who receives a monthly check? He and I already are neighbors and I help with his expenses etc etc can I go somewhere and protest? Will calling congressmen help? Is there anything proactive worth doing? Or is it all just going to be a waste of my time? These are the questions that I am hearing from my friends and neighbors... "what should we do if nobody receives their check"

Op thanks for making this thread it has been an eye opener hearing everyone's different opinion . S&F.

Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
A contagious virus would better serve depopulation purposes. While systemic collapse would certainly kill many, it would not reach the goals of people such as the adherents of the Georgia guidestones or power brokers. I believe they would attempt to keep the infrastructure intact.

edit on 28-7-2011 by SmokeandShadow because: (no reason given)

I can't believe I'm arguing for the sensibility of any of this, but---

A contagious virus would be far too risky. There's probably no way to guarantee immunity among the elite, and their ability to survive the crisis would be paramount to their plans. They would hide in bunkers, but that is far too risky for the aims and desires of any ruling group of that sort.

edit on 28-7-2011 by Solasis because: (no reason given)

Wouldnt be hard to manufacture a virus with an antidote ready for it i think? I'm pretty sure they're past the common cold stage by now if it comes down to knowledge and technology in that field.

I can't imagine the people not revolting though if this should really be the hitting the fan, if not America is really lost for good. Yet a revolt might be exactly what they want. I think once they decide it's time for the "plan"to be executed, the more mayhem, the better for them.

But let's see if payments actually get cancelled first.

TPTB would not attempt to unleashing a deadly virus for many reasons.

Even though they are power hungry and want to depop the Earth a virus is to detrimental to their own future. While unleashing a virus seems like the fastest method to an end they run the chance of killing the people they want/need to stick around.

Scientists, doctors, teachers, engineers, military personell, pilots, shipmen, train engineers, air traffic controllers, professors, religious leaders, etc... all of these people are needed to benefit what TPTB need. TPTB though they may want to depop the Earth, still want to progress on the evolutionary track for their own future generations.

And you can say give each of these people the vaccine. But then they run the risk(I'd say more like 99.99% chance) someone will spill the beans, because keeping 1/2 billion(which is their target) people in the loop and keeping their mouth shut is highly unlikely.

War is the most likely scenerio to depop the Earth. Not nuclear, but on a scale that will pale all the casualties of all wars.

a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.

Thomas Jefferson

I concur

reply to post by redoubt


Such a program doesn't exist. But it should.
We are reaching a time of overpopulation, we don't have the resources to support all these people, at least not for long.

I propose that we place a program that studies DNA and put restrictions on genetically inbred people from reproducing. And promote multiculturalism and mix all different races for optimum genetic efficiency.

Not only to genetically inbred individuals have small gene pools but it's usually accompanied by small minds, with strong religious overtones.
I do not mean to kill these people off, only stop them from having kids and allow them to live the remainder of their lives in comfort and peace. This is the humane way of lowing the population, no bloodshed.

Anyone with average or higher gene pools can procreate. It would be foolish and a waste of billions of years of evolution to kill off the poor and allow the rich to live. Rich are usually depended on the poor and are physically and mentally weak, thus not the best candidates to continue the species, like cattle they will be sorted with the rest of the species.

Money doesn't buy you out of this one. If you have a large gene pool, consider yourself lucky to be born as such.

No bloodshed, lowered population. This is the logical way.

reply to post by Anthony1138


Adolph, is that you?!?

I think taking away the elderly's SS benefits away is a bad idea. After all, they did pay into the system their entire lives.
I like to think that instead, if Congress doesn't wanna pass the budget, we take away their pay and benefits until they pass a budget we all can live with. That indeed would light a fire under some of em.

Great topic OP, S n F for you!!

I think that in many cases, we will once again see extended families, living with each other and sharing the expenses so everyone can have a decent home. I think the bad times will be seen by those elderly and disabled who don't have extended family that can afford to help or those that are already helping, and those that will be strapped for cash without the SS benefits.

I think that the screening could be alot more efficient for SSI applicants, to determine their level of benefits, if any, and remove the folks who aren't truly disabled. I've seen my share of SSI recipients who do just fine, can get around fine, aren't mentally disabled, and cheat the system. I've also seen too many who deserve the benefits but end up waiting through years and years of appeals, finally ending up in court, which takes even MORE time and money.

If this is indeed the way they plan on depopulating the earth, it's pretty lame, in my opinion. I would definitely prefer the idea of somehow parents having to obtain a license to procreate, and limiting the number of children born each year. It isn't fair, no, but I'd much rather see something like that than killing off the elderly. The elderly have paid their dues to our country, they deserve the time left to enjoy life.

Peace!

reply to post by Solasis


and the other problem is it's wayyy too close to an election to do this right now...And I would be marching to Washington for sure if this happened and I am disabled! And I would take LOTSA people with me! I know your theory is thought out, but keep thinking...I just don't see them defaulting...Not this time...but maybe after the election...Who knows....Just be prepared for anything I guess!

OH and another thing...The house just passed the bill! news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by secretagentwomyn
reply to post by Solasis

 

OH and another thing...The house just passed the bill! news.yahoo.com...

edit on 29-7-2011 by secretagentwomyn because: added link

Which doesn't do much...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives approved a Republican deficit plan on Friday that has no chance of becoming law but could pave the way for a last-ditch bid for bipartisan compromise to avert a crippling national default.

God, this is depressing.

reply to post by boncho

If you don't understand the goals, there is no way you can understand the actions leading up to them. Hence why I think this thread is nonsense. It is just a popular idea now (Among AJ listeners and CTS folk) that someone is trying to do away with them....

My bad.

Next time I will remember to limit what I think and say... and ask you first if it's okay.

I was right all along. You're just way too smart for me.

Good post!
No one could ever trust the government again.
you get to sick? you die!
you get to old? you die!
you dont work for them? you die!
as for all the bodies?
dump them out to sea.
it feeds the fish!!
UM! oh! solent green....
you make tin food from the bodies.
and just put dead meat!
on the tin. or dead sheep! LOL.

the best thing the people can do.
is go self sufficient.
crow your own food.
and trade with others.
and run and hide when the tax collectors come to rob you.
grow and fight for freedom.

reply to post by SweetKarma

I think that in many cases, we will once again see extended families, living with each other and sharing the expenses so everyone can have a decent home. I think the bad times will be seen by those elderly and disabled who don't have extended family that can afford to help or those that are already helping, and those that will be strapped for cash without the SS benefits.

That part could actually be a good thing. I think we tend to be too much of a throw-away society anyway... even to the point where we deposit our elderly in nursing homes where they are out of sight and out of mind.

Our elders possess a lot of knowledge and wisdom... and experience. And if there was any group of items our culture could stand more of, knowledge, wisdom and experience would fit the bill.

Thanks

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by boncho

 

If you don't understand the goals, there is no way you can understand the actions leading up to them. Hence why I think this thread is nonsense. It is just a popular idea now (Among AJ listeners and CTS folk) that someone is trying to do away with them....

My bad.

Next time I will remember to limit what I think and say... and ask you first if it's okay.

I was right all along. You're just way too smart for me.

edit on 29-7-2011 by redoubt because: (no reason given)

This has nothing to do with ego. But if you want to posit a stance on some subject, you should be able to justify your position. You have raised a bunch of ideas with no reasoning to back them. Without understanding into what is driving the people that you choose to speak about, you cannot begin to breakdown their actions.

So in other words, it's all pointless.

reply to post by boncho

This has nothing to do with ego. But if you want to posit a stance on some subject, you should be able to justify your position. You have raised a bunch of ideas with no reasoning to back them. Without understanding into what is driving the people that you choose to speak about, you cannot begin to breakdown their actions.

Oh, come on. You know this is about you and turning discussions into flaming shambles... there's no purpose to your rants except to create havoc.

See, you outsmarted me again, you little turd monger!

You're just too much. I surrender.

reply to post by Solasis


You are right the House and Congress don't agree but go ahead and let them play their stupid down to the wire games...they are all sitting around laughing at us right now....

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by boncho

 

This has nothing to do with ego. But if you want to posit a stance on some subject, you should be able to justify your position. You have raised a bunch of ideas with no reasoning to back them. Without understanding into what is driving the people that you choose to speak about, you cannot begin to breakdown their actions.

Oh, come on. You know this is about you and turning discussions into flaming shambles... there's no purpose to your rants except to create havoc.

See, you outsmarted me again, you little turd monger!

You're just too much. I surrender.

You can't expect everyone to just accept this for true and go with it.

this is ATS not GLP