Saturn rocking back and forth?? What if CW Leonis were really Nibiru? Link inside.

Originally posted by NeoVain

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by NeoVain
So if such a renowned physicist actually believe it may be true, who are you to doubt it?

edit on 6-9-2011 by NeoVain because: (no reason given)

Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, plus it's never been established that Kaku actually wrote that.

It is his words exactly.

Appeal to authority and you have not shown that it was actually he who wrote it.

Originally posted by NeoVain
It is his words exactly.

You mean where he posted [url=http://newtonsrival.hubpages.com/hub/Gravity-is-Magnetism]here? In the post where Kaku, a prolific writer and communicator, misuses "your" in place of "you're" twice and refers to his professorship as being at "City University of New York" (a university system) when he is really a professor at City College of New York (an actual institution)?

Originally posted by NeoVain
Well this is what Dr. Michio Kaku have to say on the matter.

Dr. Michio Kaku 14 months ago

I will say that I have myself, checked and re-checked the facts here. I find your theory to be puzzling. You're right this is not what we we've always been taught. Your theory goes against the fact that we have always looked at gravity and magnetism as two separate forces. However, I have searched for and studied the Unified Theory of Everything almost my whole life, and seriously do wonder after my fact checking if your right. I heard about your concept on Youtube and entered Gravity is Magnetism into my yahoo search engine and was quite surprised to see that your theory holds second rank. Now I begin to search for math of this theory and it brings me to having to sit down with my colleagues and spinning the numbers. This may take a long time to prove or disprove. If you're right Keeker, the world will change dramatically. If magnetism really is at the heart of all creation, a lot of science books will need to be re-written. I for one want to be a part of that, so I have every intention of doing this math and doing my best to get to the bottom of your theory. If your not familiar with who I am , I am a professor at City University Of New York, and have done many spots on Sci Channel. If you look me up you will see me on Wiki-Pedia and this will prove my dedication on this subject.

Where's the URL for this one?

I ask, because there's a number of things wrong with it.

* he has heard of the "gravity is magnetism" idea before.
* there's nothing puzzling about it. In fact, it's too simplistic.
* he wouldn't have to "sit down with his colleagues and spin the numbers." He can look at the equations directly and see where they're wrong and what they haven't accounted for.
* it doesn't take that long to check.
* the writing style is VERY much different than his known, published writings and includes a number of grammatical errors that are very uncharacteristic for kaku (here's a transcription of how he speaks)

...and here's his blog

So...what's your source?

Originally posted by KSprepared
reply to post by nataylor

 

After looking through the data, I'm still inclined to believe that much what you have shown here was due to the approach of Comet Neat:
astrosa.com...

Just as I am inclined to believe this solar activity has to do with Elenin

Elenin has about as much impact on the sun as a single raindrop has on a school bus.

It's tiny. The sun is vast. The corona (gas cloud that's so thin it would appear to be a vacum if we captured it in a jar) is large but it doesn't weigh anything and doesn't impact anything. The comet has passed through the asteroid belt (where its corona covered thousands of asteroids) and nothing happened.

Also, a lot of the handling of both comets just feels similar to me on both events(and by handling, I mean ignoring).

Comets aren't seen as signs from a deity or supernatural events. They have a known orbit and appear on a regular cycle. We don't know all of them because we only got good telescopes within the past 300 years (and really good ones only within the past 50 years.)

The thing about better knowledge is that we don't get hysterical when comets show up (instead, we get interested.) We don't turn comets into headlines these days. Astronomers and astrophysicists watch them because they love them and are interested in them. But "it was on course as usual and may be breaking up" isn't headline news. It's not as significant as fires in Texas or the hunt for Qadaffi.

I'm glad you're interested in comets and astronomy and hope that you'll go to the Sky and Telescope site and start learning about the sun and things like that. As someone said, a few years of data really isn't much. We won't know more about the sun's cycles until another 500 or 800 years has passed.

According to the scientist interviewed that I gave last page or so, we've entered into that magnetic field. The one that elenin is on the outskirts of, and I'm not convinced its a comet. Its the blue kachina. There are reports of a second moon in the past, seemed cyclical to me.

www.universetoday.com...

What is behind it may be a carbon star, the shadow. The so called red Kachina. Its affected Saturn, though tilt probably has more to do with the collective polarity as does attraction the abyss. In other words, looking at the world with new eyes, taking the planks out of ours, and the weeds out of our gardens, ie. the programming. The politics, the stripes, the social darwinism, the trickle down economics, and actually seeing the majority of people on this world suffering due to corporate interests, billions starving, homelessness.

Grade 7 students (and the school is unconditional love and service to others not the worldly stuff or politics) do not get grade 1 students final exams, do they?

ARK = Acts of Random Kindness. A war/starvation planet may have the wrong frequency despite most people being far more loving than the leaders running the corruption.

With Love there is nothing to fear.

The sun, which is the Light shining in the darkness. The mirror of the Heavenly Beyond's light shining endlessly forth into the tiny fishbowl, infinity within school, that we are all students in, is between us and that field of magnetism blocking much of it. But there is a risk.

I do hope that scientist interviewed is a paid shill at this moment, and not really relaying what he really saw.

Elenin has the name 9/11.

Its perhilion is the 10th anniversary of 9/11, give or take a few hours.

Revelations 9/11:

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

9 11 refers to: nibiru, wormwood, the shadow, the darkness, the dark star, the dragon of old, the aybss.

In a duality school, what is the opposite of the sun.

en.wikipedia.org...

Abaddon (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎, 'Ǎḇaddōn, Greek: Apollyon, Latin: Exterminans, Coptic: Abbaton, meaning "A place of destruction", "The Destroyer", "Depths of Hell") in the Revelation of St. John, is the king of tormenting locusts and the angel of the bottomless pit.[1] The exact nature of Abaddon is debated, but the Hebrew word is related to the triliteral root אבד (ABD), which in verb form means "to perish."...

In the Hebrew scriptures, Abaddon comes to mean "place of destruction," or the realm of the dead, and is associated with Sheol.[3]

The Christian scriptures contain the first known[4] depiction of Abaddon as an individual entity instead of a place. In St. John's Revelation 9:1-11, Abaddon is described as the king of the bottomless pit and of a plague of locusts that resemble war horses with crowned human faces and having women's hair, lions' teeth, locusts' wings, and the tail of a scorpion.

I don't like the particular way this fits together so well. Sort of like the tied in perfect ending for a bad guys book. I am not a revelations fan. I am a person who knows that Light/Love is Light and Love. That means I have spent many years, whenever I thought of revelations prayign and enquiring of Love that this not come to pass ever.

So.....I don't like the fit there.

Love is always the answer. There is a frequency match going on, everything is a frequency match. Love has a high frequency, unconditional kind. High frequency would not draw this event in.

reply to post by Unity_99

According to the scientist interviewed that I gave last page or so, we've entered into that magnetic field. The one that elenin is on the outskirts of, and I'm not convinced its a comet. Its the blue kachina.

Are you talking about Dr. Glenn? Please pay attention, he has renounced Terral and the Planet X nonsense:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

By the way, he is a physician, not an astronomer.

There are reports of a second moon in the past, seemed cyclical to me.

www.universetoday.com...

Do you understand the difference between a theory and a report?

What is behind it may be a carbon star, the shadow. The so called red Kachina. Its affected Saturn, though tilt probably has more to do with the collective polarity as does attraction the abyss.

What makes you think there is anything "behind" the comet? No-one has seen anything behind the comet. Saturn is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, Dr. Glenn doesn't understand how optics work. I'm afraid I have some terrifying news for you: the world is not coming to an end. If you are going to make spiritual progress, you will need to do so by exerting your own efforts.

Originally posted by DJW001
...Please pay attention...Planet X nonsense...Do you understand the difference between a theory and a report?...I have some terrifying news for you: the world is not coming to an end. If you are going to make spiritual progress, you will need to do so by exerting your own efforts.

I really think you could have made your point without the condescension, then again, maybe not. It seems to be the norm lately.

reply to post by Unity_99

we've entered into that magnetic field. The one that elenin is on the outskirts of

The comet is not part of a magnetic field. It is part of our solar system. It is matter, not a field.

Its the blue kachina.

It can't be since Elenin won't fall to Earth.

What is behind it may be a carbon star, the shadow. The so called red Kachina. Its affected Saturn, though tilt probably has more to do with the collective polarity as does attraction the abyss. In other words, looking at the world with new eyes, taking the planks out of ours, and the weeds out of our gardens, ie. the programming. The politics, the stripes, the social darwinism, the trickle down economics, and actually seeing the majority of people on this world suffering due to corporate interests, billions starving, homelessness.

1. A carbon star would be readily visible.
2. Why are you attempting to tie the Hopi prophecies into this?
3. Saturn has not been affected.
4. You might try taking off the blinders and looking at the world for what it is instead of making up obviously false tales.

Elenin has the name 9/11.

These numerological incantations are without merit. Numerlogy itself is meaningless.

Originally posted by Unity_99
According to the scientist interviewed that I gave last page or so, we've entered into that magnetic field. The one that elenin is on the outskirts of, and I'm not convinced its a comet. Its the blue kachina.

The blue kachina is a green minor comet that won't even come close to hitting earth? Funny how every comet that grabs the attention of conspiracy theorists is the blue kachina these days; comet holmes, hale-bopp, McNaught, etc, etc, etc. they've all been said to be the "blue kachina."

What is behind it may be a carbon star, the shadow.

A carbon star at intrasolar system distances would be incredibly bright and induce massive perturbations on the positions of the planets. And no, Saturn wasn't affected.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its perhilion is the 10th anniversary of 9/11, give or take a few hours.

Its perihelion is on September 10th. I guess that's close enough (hence the "give or take a few hours" statement) for people who want to play confirmation bias games. Oh well, it's only 3 days until perihelion. It will come and go and the world will go on unaffected by it.

reply to post by DJW001


Have you ever performed a parallax calculation? Parallax uses the angle the object appears to make while moving across the sky. It's movement is compared to very distant background stars which are considered stationary. The measurements are taken 6 months apart so that the maximum distance between points (earths location) is used. The problem is solved using right triangle trig. The distance on the short side is 2 AUs or 2 x earth's orbital radius. This gives a measurement that is off by a factor of nearly 50,000; and here is why.

The earth travels at a speed of 568,000 mph around the milkyway. So, in FACT, the earth travels a distance of 47,600 AUs plus or minus 2 AUs depending on which direction of motion is used. Either the earth moves in the direction of solar system orbit around the milkyway or the earth moves opposite the solar system.

The FACT that the solar system is moving at great speed puts the parallax method off by 45,600 to 49,600 TIMES. Astronomers are better off pulling a number from a hat for the parallax calculated distance than using a flawed calculation that considers the solar system as stationary. Since the distance was calculated using the parallax method that can be off by nearly 50,000 times, it is possible that CW Leonis is now closer than any other star. (600LY/50,000 = 338 AUs). And this can only be valid if we ASSUME background stars are actually stationary; which they are not. Nothing is stationary.

So all this astronomy mumbo jumbo is just that, mumbo jumbo.. A bunch of guess work that is turning out to be wrong.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Unity_99

 

What makes you think there is anything "behind" the comet? No-one has seen anything behind the comet. Saturn is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, Dr. Glenn doesn't understand how optics work. I'm afraid I have some terrifying news for you: the world is not coming to an end. If you are going to make spiritual progress, you will need to do so by exerting your own efforts.

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What are you?

Elenin has traveling companions. These companions are visible following Elenin and are a million or so miles behind. One is moving faster than the other indicating they may be orbitals. I'm not going to show you. Its all over the web and its hard to believe with all the research you claim to do and admonish others for not doing, that you do not know this.

reply to post by DJW001


He has given statements and retracted. He can renounce planet X all he wants, but then says this is hiding behind elenin: a huge magnetic field with orbitting bodies in it.

DO THE MATH. If you can't see the opposite the sun, its a carbon star or something equally as exotic.

And 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 revelations 9/11.

Pretty much alarming I'd say.

It seems there is a rash of magnet-illiteracy moving about these days. Magnetism is not one thing, it is not one definition, and has a myriad of relationships with all materials. There is magnetism coupled with electricity that actually has a field that can allow someone to see within the Human body, called MRI, or Magnetic Resonance Imaging. Think about that, a magnetic force that lets us see through physical bodies! Amazing!

So for those that love thinking that a magnet is a magnet is a magnet, here is a link to help you adjust yourselves from south to north or vice-versa! It is all about positive and negative, what attracts and what detracts; sort of like ATS members! Let's hope we can remain cohesive over the next Paradigm Shift.

Magnet Madness

This page was very helpful: Types of Magnetism

As for Saturn, I am quite certain at this point that someone is about ready to give birth! Revelation 12 is at hand and may be quite the show!

Revelation 12--A Woman Cloaked in the Stars, KJV

reply to post by consciousgod

This gives a measurement that is off by a factor of nearly 50,000; and here is why.

Are you trying to make numerology look legit? That has to be the WORST math I have seen in a while.

You have not shown anything other than the Earth is in motion. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the parallax measurements.

If you want to show error you need to introduce the formulas and the error introduced. Can you do that? Astronomers have for decades and that is why they know that your math here is rubbish.

So all this astronomy mumbo jumbo is just that, mumbo jumbo.. A bunch of guess work that is turning out to be wrong.

It is most evident that you have no idea what parallax requires. For example you claim that distant stars are not stationary. Can you tell us that the apparent movement is of distant stars over the course of 6 months?

Let's suppose that a star is 1000 light years away and it is moving at 1,000,000mph at right angles to our viewpoint. That way we get a maximum displacement from the motion. That's about .0015 the speed of light. Since light goes 0.5 light years in 6 months this star moves 0.00075 light years. At a distance of 1000 light years we can calculate the angle.

tan(angle) = .00075/1000 = 7.5e-7
arctan(7.5e-7) is very close to 7.5e-7

angle = 7.5e-7 = 0.0027 seconds of arc

That's the observed motion for a star 1000 light years away moving at a million mph perpendicular to our viewpoint.

This can be drastically reduced by using stars that are further away. Consider using Deneb, Alnilam, Wezen, Naos, Sadr, Aludra, etc. These are all stars over 1000 light years away. Over the course of a year they appear to be stationary.

reply to post by consciousgod

Elenin has traveling companions. These companions are visible following Elenin and are a million or so miles behind. One is moving faster than the other indicating they may be orbitals. I'm not going to show you. Its all over the web and its hard to believe with all the research you claim to do and admonish others for not doing, that you do not know this.

Wow. You are really falling for hoaxes left and right. There are no companions except imaginary ones.

reply to post by Unity_99

He has given statements and retracted. He can renounce planet X all he wants, but then says this is hiding behind elenin: a huge magnetic field with orbitting bodies in it.

DO THE MATH. If you can't see the opposite the sun, its a carbon star or something equally as exotic.

And 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 revelations 9/11.

Pretty much alarming I'd say.

So a kook has shifted gears and now proclaims a magnetic field with orbiting bodies. So how does this kook know that there is a magnetic field there without sending a probe to determine the existence of the field?

Do the math? What math? Why appeal to something exotic when it is evident that there is no missing mass in the solar system out to 70AU? Nothing as large as Mars could be within 70AU. Measurements of the positions of the planets make that a fact.

That makes no sense to connect something in the bible with a date from a calendar that had not been invented. The predecessor of the Gregorian calendar had not been invented. I guess that goes with numerology making no sense at all.

reply to post by Greensage


There is only one magnetic force. It is a part of the electromagnetic force. How that force is observed can be broken down into finer parts due to the interactions of the materials involved.

Think about that, a magnetic force that lets us see through physical bodies!

An MRI uses a magnetic field and radio waves to detect the presence of some atoms in an object. This device was built based on known behavior of the EM force.

reply to post by stereologist


You are making the assumption that the distance stars are stationary. Tell me how did you determine this? Did you use the flawed redshift method to determine they are far away? Probably. Everything in our universe is moving relative to other objects down to the quantum level. Since everything is moving, it is not stationary.

You assume it is stationary for the purpose of the parallax calculation. Maybe the assumption is correct in some cases and incorrect in others because you can't use the same reference star each time. Just because a star appears to be in the same location in the sky over a six month period, does not mean it is stationary. The star can be matching our speed and direction giving the appearance as stationary.

Now, I will show you the error that results from not considering that everything is moving and I don't take into account that the distant reference star may be moving as well.

Recently reported speed of the solar system = 568.000 mph

Distance traveled in 6 months = 568,000 mph x 24h x 182.5d = 2,487,840,000 miles

2,487,840,000 miles/93,000,000 mi/AU= 26.75 AU

So if the angle an object's movement makes against a background star is for example, 10 arcminutes. And according to the parallax method, the distance to the star = 2AUs x sin 10 arcminutes (I chose a large object to reduce math).

= 2AU x sin 0.1666 = 0.005845 AU
.005845 x 93,000,000 = 543,585 miles = the calculated distance to this object using parallax method without considering solar system motion.

Now what is the actual distance to the object taking into account the movement of the solar system?

(2AU + 26.75 AU) x sin 0.1666 = 0.08359 AU = 7,773,870 miles.

7.7 million isn't 543,000.

Since its recent news that the solar system is traveling at 568,000 mph, doesn't it make logical sense that all the parallax calculations not based on the solar systems movement are substantially flawed?

Redshift calculations are just as flawed if not worse.

reply to post by OccamAssassin
obviously you did not read the explanations at all if u ask why stuff doesnt float.

Here "On Earth, much of the so-called gravity is simply atmospheric pressure that gives weight to small (relative to the planet) objects and alongside its magnetic field keeps them on its surface - much like underwater pressure in the ocean depth, which is the force of the sheer weight of the sea exerted on deep underwater objects such as submarines, atmospheric pressure is the weight of the volume of air above exerted on us here on the surface of the planet. As for the atmosphere itself, it is 'weighed down' and kept in place by the Earth's far more expansive and all-encompassing magnetosphere''

And here is the density and composition,why it is absent in this file,dont know, guess an unfinished draft.

Density: 1.965 g/cm3 (solid) or 2.112 g/cm3, with a maximum of 5.242 g/cm3 if it is composed purely of iron oxide. Mean density: 3.1 g/cm3

Composition: possibly cesium, sulphur, bromine, carbon, iron, diamond, graphite, oxygen, ozone, iron oxide, sulphur dioxide and carbon dioxide

here's the full file. not the unfinished one in the OP,but finished one.

ftp...@down.shopye.net/nibiru_elenin.zip