How they got the explosives in the buildings; the easiest part of the puzzle

reply to post by kro32
Dude you have posted that exact same thing, word for word, in another 9/11 thread, and just like with this one, you were the first one to respond.

Get some new material you scrub, or at least reword points that you are going to make, copying and pasting entire posts full of text is pretty lame.

To the OP, don't forget that the company that managed security in the World Trade Centers was filled with people who had ties to the government and George Bush:

Securacom had a small board of directors that included James Abrahamson, of the White House Commission on Aviation Security as mentioned above, Marvin Bush, the brother of George W. Bush, and Wirt Walker III, a cousin of the Bush brothers. Other directors included Charles Archer (since 1998), former Assistant Director in charge of the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division, who had been recently been promoted by FBI Director Louis Freeh. Another Securacom director was Yousef Saud Al Sabah, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family. [102]

From here

reply to post by TupacShakur


I concur.

I think a few people are not understanding my point. They compare my idea with what they see in movies and think that's where I got the idea. It isn't, I got it from experience. Sure, if you work for an elevator company and you see some random guy with the same uniform as you, you will challenge him. Agreed and obvious.

However, if you're running the building and you want to use the elevators for whatever reason, you simply do not get the techs from the company to come in. You send your guys disguised as elevator techies. Nobody is going to challenge them because if you don't work in the elevator business, you don't know who else does.

As for these people going through security, nothing simpler when you control the security. Issue a list of who goes in and problem solved.

Dogs that sniff for explosives? Sure, we're told these dogs were present in the buildings. Lot of good that will do if the dogs are not brought to the explosives. These dogs can't sniff explosives from 100 feet away, they need to be near them; especially when the explosives are behind walls, etc. If you have a map of areas the dogs cannot access, then all the dogs in the world won't make a difference. Except in telling people it couldn't be explosives because the dogs were in the buildings.

reply to post by bing0

there has been several evacuation exercises in the days (weeks?) before the attack.

Evacuation exercises were common for Morgan Stanley brokerage - their security manager Rick Rescorla
had planned for just such an event

But in the twenty minutes between the first and second plane crashes, Morgan Stanley had implemented an evacuation plan put into place after the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. "It turned out we had most of our people off the high floors before the second plane hit," Scott said.

Meanwhile, employees in charge of operations, having been drilled in what to do in the event of disaster, walked twenty-two blocks to Morgan Stanley's backup site and turned on the computers. "By 9:20 A.M., the backup site was activated," said Scott. "By 9:30 A.M., senior management had relocated to another backup site that became our command facility."
.

Rescorla, VP in charge of security, died in the building with members of his security staff as they went back in
to search the floors for any remaining people

Preparedness counts, said Scott, in ticking off the lessons he has learned from the disaster. "We had 2,500 people in Tower 2, but lost only six people because of the evacuation plan we had put in place." Drills are economically and psychologically important, he said, adding that employees often ask these days about when the next drill will take place.

Today go into a Morgan Stanley office in a high raise today will notice several things - on the walls are floor
plans showing evacuation routes. Mounted on the wall are bins filled with chem light sticks and smoke masks

Another thing are memorial plaques with the names of the Morgan Stanley employees who died in WTC that day

Originally posted by kro32
Why would the government go through all this trouble and complexity just for an excuse to invade Iraq or pass the Patriot Act when a simple plan would have acheived the exact same results with a far less risk of something going wrong?

A single Al-Quieda man setting off a dirty bomb or something along those lines would have given America all the reason they needed.

If the government asked you to create something that would mobilize the American people is 9/11 what you would come up with? There are 1000 different things that have to go perfectly right for this to be pulled off. The amount of people with knowledge is far too large for comfort.

Look at the history of government cover-ups and how successful they were.

Gulf of Tonkin, Johnson couldn't even keep one little bombing incident secret and it was leaked through the pentagon papers.

Bay of Pigs. A disaster by Kennedy that didn't involve nearly the complexity of a 9/11 operation, totally blown

Watergate, Nixon couldn't even hide 2 people stealing files yet our government is gonna pull off something involving 4 jetliners and 100's of people?

Get serious and look at the big picture. A lot of people get hung up on details and do not see the forest through the trees.

Another Believer analogy to discount thinking outside the box.
Maybe the real question that should be asked is, "Look at the history of government cover ups and how successful are have been."

While mentioning the Bay of Pigs, Watergate, Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11...the govt obviously didn't away with them, but how many other fiasco's, have they gotten away with no questions being asked?

While sure, they could have had an AQ patsy set off a dirty bomb, but that wouldn't cover the side things that needed to happen. Things that we probably arent even aware of.
Like the cost to tear down the WTC's, to rid of evidence of something stored in the CIA HQ, to rid the evidence of something stored in the Pentagon, to steal all the gold under the WTC, and whatever else their master complexity plan consisted of.

Maybe instead of looking at the trees in the forest, you should pay more attention to the surroundings in the forest, you might miss something.....most likely like we all did with 9.11.

Originally posted by OccamAssassin
9/11 theories are grabbing at straws again.

Just say that they did use explosives and blew the building to bits...

1. What the hell were the planes for then?

2. Why would anyone set the explosives to blow from the top down?

Top down?
I take it you haven't seen videos the towers collapsing.
You should look at them.

Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Observer99

 

Was the Pentagon and the plane crash in PA a demolition job too? You cannot separate the events of that day. They were a single attack on several fronts. The Sears tower was supposed to be hit that day as well. Why no explosives planted in there?

The Sears Tower was supposed to be hit that day too?
Where did this little gem of intelligence come from?

Are you OS believers making things up again?
Shame shame....You shouldn't do that.

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by micmerci

 

One of my friends is an elevator installer - currently is going to work on the new Freedom Tower

Its a small work and these people all kniow each other from working together or be reputation

Strangers walking in to "fix the elevators" would be recognized and challenged

Okay...so what happens when 'strangers' who work for a different company are challenged?
What would happen, when they show their credentials stating they work for a different company?

Because they are not recognized, do they get beat up and thrown out a window?
Do they escorted out of the building?

SO FREAKING WHAT, THEY GET CHALLENGED. Open your eyes and try some critical thinking.
Is there any way they could still resume their duties, IF they ever got challenged?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by bing0

 

probably not an expert rapport to you?

Whats a rapport?

Besides, not on topic. The topic, I believe, was whether it is reasonable to assume that you can sneak around in a building and plant massive amounts of explosives without a chance of being found out.

I propose that it is not. Not impossible, but so highly unlikely that the idea of someone taking a chance does not hold water.

But a group of cave dwellers, financed by a US asset, spent years inside the US taking flight classes, all while being followed by the FBI as well as other countries investigative groups, hijack 4 planes successfully, and crash 3 of them into their designated targets, all while at the helms of planes, they do things and hit speeds that a lot of professional pilots claim is impossible or 'not likely', all while the end result brought down 4 buildings.

SOOOO....what seems more improbable as to what did and didn't happen?

Originally posted by micmerci
Maybe some people do not know what WTC stands for- WORLD trade center. There were companies from almost everywhere in the world in that complex- Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, Korea, Japan, South Africa, etc. See my point? The place was a place of global business. When the attacks occurred it was inevitable that a country would be represented that did business there.
The so called Bush security company was put in place after the 1993 attack to provide electronic security devices. They certainly were not running the whole security show of the complex. They were in fact commended for the improvement they provided after the 1993 attack.

The name was world trade center, but it was far from being the world trade center. Much of the office space was unused.

But wether the building came down through explosives or not is irrelevant. What is important who intitiated it, who funded it, who made it happen?

reply to post by DIDtm

But a group of cave dwellers, financed by a US asset, spent years inside the US taking flight classes, all while being followed by the FBI as well as other countries investigative groups, hijack 4 planes successfully, and crash 3 of them into their designated targets, all while at the helms of planes, they do things and hit speeds that a lot of professional pilots claim is impossible or 'not likely', all while the end result brought down 4 buildings.

SOOOO....what seems more improbable as to what did and didn't happen?

Really? Still playing that tired old "cavedwellers" card and the "Osama was CIA" stuff? No one is buying it. And particularly not the "professional pilots" crap.

I think its highly likely that airplanes can be hijacked and crashed, compared to US government super secret ninja agents sneaking into the World Trade Center and planting explosives. But that's just me (and everyone else) and we are burdened with being stuck in reality.

Originally posted by micmerci
I was an elevator mechanic in NYC for years. I can say without any doubt that the elevators were not the means of access for explosives. This would mean that Otis Elevator Co. was involved in the plot and that the resident elevator mechanics were involved as well. The WTC complex had a dozen or so full time mechanics onsite. Those guys were there everyday for years. They developed relationships within the buildings after seeing the same people day in and day out for years. There is no way any of these guys were involved in any inside plot.

Nope... Otis lost it's contract to Ace Elevator in 1994. The 83 person crew evacuated the WTC towers after the 2nd plane struck. Evacuating the buildings, leaving people trapped in elevators and failing to assist firefighters in their rescue attempts is not typical for elevator mechanics.

At the time the elevator mechanics left, dozens of people were trapped in stuck elevators. Other people lost their lives trying to rescue those trapped in elevators, including a mechanic from another company who rushed to the Trade Center from down the street.

The departure of elevator mechanics from a disaster site is unusual. The industry takes pride in rescues. In the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, elevator mechanics worked closely with the firefighters making rescues.

"Nobody knows the insides of a high-rise like an elevator mechanic. They act as guides for firefighters, in addition to working on elevators," says Robert Caporale, editor of Elevator World, a trade magazine.

Source: USA Today

The OP is pretty much spot on but it doesn't have all the details... it's merely conjecture. Honestly, I thought it was well known that the WTC towers could have easily been rigged w/explosives before the attacks and all done in plain sight....

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by DIDtm

 

But a group of cave dwellers, financed by a US asset, spent years inside the US taking flight classes, all while being followed by the FBI as well as other countries investigative groups, hijack 4 planes successfully, and crash 3 of them into their designated targets, all while at the helms of planes, they do things and hit speeds that a lot of professional pilots claim is impossible or 'not likely', all while the end result brought down 4 buildings.

SOOOO....what seems more improbable as to what did and didn't happen?

Really? Still playing that tired old "cavedwellers" card and the "Osama was CIA" stuff? No one is buying it. And particularly not the "professional pilots" crap.

That is a well established fact that he was a CIA operative by the alias Tim Osman. If the storyline goes, "he turned against us" he must have been with us at some point. And yes, nobody is buying this:

Originally posted by J.Son79
reply to post by kro32

 

Why didn't Al Queda just send a single man or two with a dirty bomb to a football stadium and blowup a crowd of 30,000+? Why did Al Queda do what they did? Why go through the trouble to hijack airplanes and run them into the towers? Then the Pentagon? When far more damage could have been done at a stadium? Wouldn't that have killed 1000's more? I mean if that's really what the terrorists were really there to do right? Why not do it right?

It's more terrifying to have two skyscrapers get struck with planes, burn for a while, have people jumping out from the top, then eventually crash...than it is for a bomb to go off (flash, it's over). Then there's the issue of the other planes, with people still on them. The phone calls made from those plane with voices of dead people.

It's about terrorizing the American people. When this happened, I was at school, and it was broadcast in the classrooms (I'm sure across the nation the same way too). It's pretty clear that what was done was very effective. Actually, I think it would have been enough without WTC7 going down and without the pentagon being hit and without the other plane that exploded into a million pieces. A bit overkill if you ask me.

reply to post by Cassius666

But wether the building came down through explosives or not is irrelevant. What is important who intitiated it, who funded it, who made it happen?

again, does someone has more info on the many damaged hard drives that contains all money transfers (there were rumors about illegal money transfers?)? I only found articles about the 'trying to recover the data', back in 2002, but that's it, it seems?

I still think WTC7 was the main target, and the Twin Towers were included as a distraction and as shock/horror pulse to all people.

Also, a very long power down, 2 days before, with all (online) security turned off, gives advantage to whoever had something in mind

reply to post by Cassius666

Well established? By who? A retired FBI agent turned full-blown nut and a criminal...... Good sources there.....

reply to post by bing0


No "long" power down happened. It was less than 20 hours and only affected a few floors in ONE building

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by DIDtm

 

But a group of cave dwellers, financed by a US asset, spent years inside the US taking flight classes, all while being followed by the FBI as well as other countries investigative groups, hijack 4 planes successfully, and crash 3 of them into their designated targets, all while at the helms of planes, they do things and hit speeds that a lot of professional pilots claim is impossible or 'not likely', all while the end result brought down 4 buildings.

SOOOO....what seems more improbable as to what did and didn't happen?

Really? Still playing that tired old "cavedwellers" card and the "Osama was CIA" stuff? No one is buying it. And particularly not the "professional pilots" crap.

I think its highly likely that airplanes can be hijacked and crashed, compared to US government super secret ninja agents sneaking into the World Trade Center and planting explosives. But that's just me (and everyone else) and we are burdened with being stuck in reality.

Oh come on Hooper, tell them about your sister. Why do you keep holding that part back. Don't be coy.

Can you tell me if its highly likely a plane made this damage?

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Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by DIDtm

 

But a group of cave dwellers, financed by a US asset, spent years inside the US taking flight classes, all while being followed by the FBI as well as other countries investigative groups, hijack 4 planes successfully, and crash 3 of them into their designated targets, all while at the helms of planes, they do things and hit speeds that a lot of professional pilots claim is impossible or 'not likely', all while the end result brought down 4 buildings.

SOOOO....what seems more improbable as to what did and didn't happen?

Really? Still playing that tired old "cavedwellers" card and the "Osama was CIA" stuff? No one is buying it. And particularly not the "professional pilots" crap.

I think its highly likely that airplanes can be hijacked and crashed, compared to US government super secret ninja agents sneaking into the World Trade Center and planting explosives. But that's just me (and everyone else) and we are burdened with being stuck in reality.

Really, still playing that tired old 'super secret ninja agents', Dave?
Oh...wait...Hooper.

Its fair for me to use the term 'cave dwellers', if you continue to stick to the theory of magic that the OS spews.

It doesnt matter how you slice it....WTC7 was brought down by fire....according to NIST.
And according to you, since the OS is gospel.

Fire bringing down a steel frame building DOES constitute magic.
Add in the speeds....and you got mega-magic.

Keep holding onto your theory....magic man.

The head of the NY Port Authority who awarded the Lease of the WTC to Silverstein even though he'd been outbidded by another Real Estate firm. Gave it to Silverstein... only months prior to 9/11.

Silverstein himself who made weekly phone calls to none other than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

And as to how the explosives were brought into WTC.

1.) ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office(10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a week before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of 2001, and the company lost $50,000 by breaking the lease. Later, FBI agent Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Michael Chertoff.

According to a non-official cover or N.O.C. CIA source who worked closely with Dick, the Israeli movers moved in explosives when ZIM moved out.

2.) Security for WTC was controlled by another Israeli tied company. Kroll associates, also known as the CIA of Wallstreet.

In looking at the Zionists as akin to a bunch of mobsters....and Larry Silverstein alone netting 4.5 Billion.....not to mention the Bullion stolen from the underground vaults, there's plenty of Booty to spread around amongst the players involved.

Originally posted by nh_ee


The head of the NY Port Authority who awarded the Lease of the WTC to Silverstein even though he'd been outbidded by another Real Estate firm. Gave it to Silverstein... only months prior to 9/11.

Silverstein himself who made weekly phone calls to none other than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

And as to how the explosives were brought into WTC.

1.) ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office(10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a week before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of 2001, and the company lost $50,000 by breaking the lease. Later, FBI agent Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Michael Chertoff.

According to a non-official cover or N.O.C. CIA source who worked closely with Dick, the Israeli movers moved in explosives when ZIM moved out.

2.) Security for WTC was controlled by another Israeli tied company. Kroll associates, also known as the CIA of Wallstreet.

In looking at the Zionists as akin to a bunch of mobsters....and Larry Silverstein alone netting 4.5 Billion.....not to mention the Bullion stolen from the underground vaults, there's plenty of Booty to spread around amongst the players involved.

Im not disagreeing with your post, but Israels PM was Ariel Sharon in Sept of 2001.

I thought I read before that Sharon was in DC during the attacks...but I could be wrong.
Ill see if I can find it.