The Holy Spirit is my Proof

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Thanks for the invite to make fun.

Ha! I don't know if he meant it....

Anyways, my aunt is Baptist and she has said that she believes that those who speak in tongues are demon possessed. Isn't that strange? Someone who believes in the biblical god, is a born-again christian, and loves this god...but thinks that others who speak in tongues could be possessed by demons? It's strange to me that this god doesn't get all of his followers on the same page. No wonder there's over 30,000 denominations.

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Thanks for the invite to make fun.

Ha! I don't know if he meant it....

Anyways, my aunt is Baptist and she has said that she believes that those who speak in tongues are demon possessed. Isn't that strange? Someone who believes in the biblical god, is a born-again christian, and loves this god...but thinks that others who speak in tongues could be possessed by demons? It's strange to me that this god doesn't get all of his followers on the same page. No wonder there's over 30,000 denominations.

My experience was with Charismatic Renewal Catholics, a girl I was going out with was a member and actually was the music person and sometimes reader for their own Mass on Sunday afternoons. Anyway, this group at our local Catholic church had prayer meetings on Thursday nights in one of the larger classrooms of the school on the property. I went quire a few times I think. One night I was in this meeting and I had this serious urge to start speaking to the group in prophecy. I thought to myself, This is stupid because these people are saved and they need no prophecy. So I resisted as if it was the devil and eventually it went away. I went out from that group and went into the unsaved to prophesy to them but not in some sort of channeling sort of way but just normal talking.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Haven't been around much, have you?
People seek after this stuff and in so doing, they reject the Spirit they have and invite in another, which of course is a demon spirit of the Devil.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Judge: " I should sentence you to life in prison for your crimes. However your victim has stepped forward to pay your fines, legal fees, has offered to have you live in his mansion and will put you in his will as well as serve the time for you. Do you accept this offer?"

You: "No thanks, it's all good."

Judge: I sentence you to eternal torture for not believing in me. But, let me sacrifice this innocent guy over here, which also happens to be me, and after my, I mean his blood spills on the floor, you can be forgiven and set free. Then, I'll even let you live with me forever.

Me: So, since I didn't believe in you, I have to be tortured forever unless I accept this sacrifice of an innocent human being? You are insane. Not only that, but you are insane in the membrane.

p.s. This is eternal torture, not life in prison. Also, I am being punished for something that someone else did approx. 6000 years ago depending on how you interpret the biblical time table.

So, I guess a better representation would be this:

Judge: You are sentenced to eternal torture for what your great, great, great, great grandfather did 200 years ago. He was a criminal, so now I declare you to be a criminal.

Me: Am I on Candid Camera? Punk'd? Some other new prank show?

reply to post by Hydroman
It's like a trick question.
According to NuT, believers do not go to judgement, only non believers go, so if you were to find yourself in a courtroom situation, you would already know the outcome and you would not have that choice.
So, in his own little way, he is telling you that you are going to Hell.
Well isn't that Christian of him.
(being sarcastic)

Originally posted by jmdewey60

So, in his own little way, he is telling you that you are going to Hell.
Well isn't that Christian of him.
(being sarcastic)

Well, that is what he IS supposed to believe. That's how you get other people to join. You kindly let them know that if they don't accept this "free gift" which you can't even prove is true except by some old writings and feelings, you will burn forever.

Are they afraid of being punished by Allah? Of course not. Why? Because they don't believe in that gibberish. Same thing for me, except on his beliefs. Why should I believe it? What good reason?

reply to post by Hydroman

. . .that if they don't accept this "free gift" which you can't even prove is true except by some old writings. . .

If it could, I would not be objecting. I have given him the opportunity to prove his case from the Bible and he has not. Jesus did not die to pay for your sins. Jesus does not present his own life as yours, in judgement. Those are not in the Bible. The gift that is free is the spirit which enables the believer to live a good life which is presentable in judgement, but that living of that good life is not something one could ever do without that spirit that comes from God. Left on their own, a person could never live an acceptable life.

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When GOD created Adam and Eve in the Garden the breath he breathed into them was a peace of him. He is a spiritual being. There fore we all have a piece of him in us at all times. From our very creation in our mothers womb. When we die that piece of us goes back to its source. The creater, loveing, father, GOD.
Therefore imo, GOD is always with each of us. Weather we want him to be or not.

"You cant live a good life without him". NOAH, ABRAHAM, and MOSES did not always know GOD. But he chose them because they lived good lifes and had good hearts untill he led them. Yes we lead better lives with GOD. But there are still many on earth who never heard the word or recieved a corrupt version of it and have good hearts.

GOD will judge them by the hearts. Not only this judgement is his and his alone. "Chrisitans" should really learn their places. We are to be witnesses unto him. Not his judges. We are to spread his love and light to all. Not hate and fear.

LOTZA LUV

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A star for you and Amen.

(also, anyone else who agrees, please give her a star to show your support)

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Haven't been around much, have you?
People seek after this stuff and in so doing, they reject the Spirit they have and invite in another, which of course is a demon spirit of the Devil.

Yeah, been to almost 40 states in my military career. If these people speaking with tongues are magnifying Jesus Christ as Lord they have the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to do so without the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Hydroman

 

It's like a trick question.
According to NuT, believers do not go to judgement, only non believers go, so if you were to find yourself in a courtroom situation, you would already know the outcome and you would not have that choice.
So, in his own little way, he is telling you that you are going to Hell.
Well isn't that Christian of him.
(being sarcastic)

Yeah.. you're a liar. I never said believers are not judged, I said believers are never condemned. (Romans 8:1). Paul even says believers works are judged and rewards are either won or lost, but even if all rewards are lost they themselves are saved. Secondly, I never tell anyone where they will wind up for eternity, and I certianly wouldn't tell him he is going to hell. I have no way of knowing what he may choose to do with the Lord before he dies.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Haven't been around much, have you?
People seek after this stuff and in so doing, they reject the Spirit they have and invite in another, which of course is a demon spirit of the Devil.

Yeah, been to almost 40 states in my military career. If these people speaking with tongues are magnifying Jesus Christ as Lord they have the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to do so without the Holy Spirit.

How would speaking unintelligibly be magnifying the Lord?
Well this revelation explains something, which is where you get your religion, from chaplains who are going to have a bias about how religion and war are compatible.
What I was talking about was that from my limited experience and others close to me, these people hover over these meetings begging for this experience and it seems like they have no love for an ordinary experience. This attitude invites spirits of the evil type.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Haven't been around much, have you?
People seek after this stuff and in so doing, they reject the Spirit they have and invite in another, which of course is a demon spirit of the Devil.

Yeah, been to almost 40 states in my military career. If these people speaking with tongues are magnifying Jesus Christ as Lord they have the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to do so without the Holy Spirit.

How come a language specialist cant translate these tounges then? If it was the heavenly devine language their would be a unformity to them. There is none, and i really dont think GOD vocalizes his thoughts to his angels. Didnt angels speak to Abraham telepathicaly when the 3 of them visited in the tent. We just assum they are verbal beings. Because the authors state he said. Maybe they didnt understand telepathy. Maybe since most were alone they just assumed it to be verbal?

Not only this but dont you think even the holy spirit has a undevine counterpart. JESUS vs. ANTICHRIST, GOD vs. SATAN, HOLY SPIRIT vs. ? And if this is the end times and their time is short. Maybe they are pulling all stops out now. Jesus tells us GOD allows Satan to have free rain untill the 2 witnesses. Could this be why Jesus warned us to always test to know these things are true?

Sorry I put it up to another false maricle that JESUS warned us against. They are trying so hard for a spiritual gift that they are excepting it from anywhere. So I agree with JM. Some christians are all about the show. Tounges is a great show stopper.

LOTZA LUV 2 U

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Hydroman

 

It's like a trick question.
According to NuT, believers do not go to judgement, only non believers go, so if you were to find yourself in a courtroom situation, you would already know the outcome and you would not have that choice.
So, in his own little way, he is telling you that you are going to Hell.
Well isn't that Christian of him.
(being sarcastic)

Yeah.. you're a liar. I never said believers are not judged, I said believers are never condemned. (Romans 8:1). Paul even says believers works are judged and rewards are either won or lost, but even if all rewards are lost they themselves are saved. Secondly, I never tell anyone where they will wind up for eternity, and I certianly wouldn't tell him he is going to hell. I have no way of knowing what he may choose to do with the Lord before he dies.

Let me quote what I was commenting on and why don't you explain it.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Judge: " I should sentence you to life in prison for your crimes. However your victim has stepped forward to pay your fines, legal fees, has offered to have you live in his mansion and will put you in his will as well as serve the time for you. Do you accept this offer?"

You: "No thanks, it's all good."

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That's certainly not the only thing you commented on JM.

reply to post by NOTurTypical
No I was commenting on our conversation on the mousetrails thread where we were discussing the study of salvation according to the New Testament and how I was asking for where it says that Jesus died to pay for your individual sins. This is directly related to the post by you that I quoted in my last post.
You are implying in your little parable that Jesus pays for your individual sins.
I could have made further criticism of your parable but restrained myself until which time you were to choose to explain yourself.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

No I was commenting on our conversation on the mousetrails thread where we were discussing the study of salvation according to the New Testament and how I was asking for where it says that Jesus died to pay for your individual sins. This is directly related to the post by you that I quoted in my last post.
You are implying in your little parable that Jesus pays for your individual sins.
I could have made further criticism of your parable but restrained myself until which time you were to choose to explain yourself.

That has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that I believe Christians will never be judged. Which is completely false and a straw man. I said Christians will never be "condemned". We could lose all our rewards during judgment, but we'll never be condemned. (Romans 8:1)

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Hydroman

 

It's like a trick question.
According to NuT, believers do not go to judgement, only non believers go, so if you were to find yourself in a courtroom situation, you would already know the outcome and you would not have that choice.
So, in his own little way, he is telling you that you are going to Hell.
Well isn't that Christian of him.
(being sarcastic)

Yeah.. you're a liar. I never said believers are not judged, I said believers are never condemned. (Romans 8:1). Paul even says believers works are judged and rewards are either won or lost, but even if all rewards are lost they themselves are saved. Secondly, I never tell anyone where they will wind up for eternity, and I certianly wouldn't tell him he is going to hell. I have no way of knowing what he may choose to do with the Lord before he dies.

Let me quote what I was commenting on and why don't you explain it.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Judge: " I should sentence you to life in prison for your crimes. However your victim has stepped forward to pay your fines, legal fees, has offered to have you live in his mansion and will put you in his will as well as serve the time for you. Do you accept this offer?"

You: "No thanks, it's all good."

I was commenting on this post:

Perhaps not, but I will accept my fate. I should get what I deserve, right? Why should I let an innocent creature take my punishment for me?

This person was already presupposing he would accept Hell as a judgment and didn't want an innocent man to pay for his sins. My driver's license doesn't say "Lord Jesus Christ". I'm not the judge of a person's eternal destiny. I have no idea what they may do with Christ in the future.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

That has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that I believe Christians will never be judged. Which is completely false and a straw man. I said Christians will never be "condemned". We could lose all our rewards during judgment, but we'll never be condemned. (Romans 8:1)

You seem to like that term a lot, straw man.
That would not be much of a judgement, then, if the outcome was already known.
You base this on an unsubstantiated claim that the place of judgement could possibly be like a rewards platform for an athletic competition.
There is a proviso that the ones not lost are of God's elect.
We are to strive to perfect ourselves in order to be among the elect.
It is not an automatic thing. Once you are absolutely perfect, then you can rest assured that you are of the elect.
Anyway, go ahead and explain your parable.

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well, that's brilliant. The Holy Spirit and demons sharing the same body. That's a new one to me.

Haven't been around much, have you?
People seek after this stuff and in so doing, they reject the Spirit they have and invite in another, which of course is a demon spirit of the Devil.

Yeah, been to almost 40 states in my military career. If these people speaking with tongues are magnifying Jesus Christ as Lord they have the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to do so without the Holy Spirit.

How would speaking unintelligibly be magnifying the Lord?

I didn't say speaking unintelligibly is magnifying the Lord. I said people I know who speak in tongues also are people who lift up and magnify the Lord. These people love Jesus and confess Him crucified, buried, and risen on the 3rd day. They confess with their mouth He is the Lord.

Well this revelation explains something, which is where you get your religion, from chaplains who are going to have a bias about how religion and war are compatible.

Which chapter and verses are you referencing for this doctrine? When did Jesus ever tell soldiers to leave their duty? Your propagating legalism. Two thumbs down.

What I was talking about was that from my limited experience and others close to me, these people hover over these meetings begging for this experience and it seems like they have no love for an ordinary experience. This attitude invites spirits of the evil type.

No it doesn't. Paul said to seek all the gifts.

"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy"

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."