The Holy Spirit is my Proof

One would think that it would be safe enough to speak of spiritual matters on a Forum here titled, "Religion, Faith and Theology" without other's only purpose for posting here is to debunk "Religion, Faith and Theology."

Proof is demanded ad nauseam. "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" That's what the unbelievers demanded of the Lord Jesus Christ himself in the first Century. "Show us a sign!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove you are the Son of God!" "Show us a miracle!" "Show us a sign and we will believe!"

Look, if nature itself and all things that exist in the universe is not proof enough that it all is by divine disign, I'm not sure if anyone on here can say anything to convince the mocker, and one who scoffs at "Religion, Faith and Theology."

Briefly though, I will share with interested persons whether they might believe or scoff regarding proof of God, who is Holy and who is Spirit. He is The Holy Spirit. Proof that God exists is manifested in ways that are innumerable. Even the very breath we breath is a gift. However let me get to the core issue of which I have posted here of which I titled, "The Holy Spirit is my proof." I will make this a simple as possible.

At birth the human is a two part being of body and soul. Originally man was a three part being of body, soul and spirit. Man was formed, made and created. He had body soul and spirit. Adam died spiritually and became a two part being and was kicked out of the garden for disobedience. He had a body and soul life. He could eat, breath, smell, touch, think and so forth and so on. However he no longer had fellowship with God. The spirit that God had created within Adam died.

Ever since Adam, all humans are born with a body and soul life but do not have the spirit of God living inside them. That's why Jesus himself stated to Nicodemas, a Religious leader: "You must be born again." Being born again means to be born from above. It means to recieve the "spirit" so that a person can become a three part person of body, soul and spirit.

When I became born again of the spirit of God, God, by means of the holy spirit which came to reside in me gave me, the believer, a language called tongues. I can by a manifestation of the spirit speak a language fluently. I do not know what language it is but, I can speak it as I said very fluently and it is a beautiful language. The bible says that was the first manifestation of the spirit that the believers manifested when the new birth became available after the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ.

Speaking in Tongues is the believers proof that God is true and The Holy Bible is true and The Lord Jesus Christ lives. Not only is he seated at the right hand of God, he also lives in the believer and the believer can know, that he knows, that he knows that he/she is a born again child of God. Speaking in Tougues is the believers proof and proof to the unbeliever that God exists and lives in a born again believer.

I have always wanted to ask: When you are speaking in tongues, do you understand what you are saying? Do other believers around you understand?

One can say that about the purpose of all religion on the world. Its the quest to find the inner self, the lightbody. Enlightenment.

It doesnt matter about the religion, or even if you dont have one, you can still go on the quest if you want to.

S&F for sticking up for your beliefs.

reply to post by calmbutwary


The one speaking by the spirit of God does not know the language they are speaking. God can give the believer the manifestation of interpretation. In the first Century it is recorded that when the believers (Apostles) were speaking in tongues there were others present that did understand the languages. Speaking in tongues is a language of men or of Angels. I'm eating at the present time, so if you need scripture I can give it later.

The spirit of God is called in the Book of Acts "Power from on High" The believer has the power to manifest the spirit of God. One of the profits in speaking in tongues is not only proof that God through Jesus Christ created eternal life in the believer but The Word of God says that the believer "Magnifies" God and also is speaking the wonderful works of God.

Speaking in Tongues is perfect prayer for we know not what we ought to pray for at time but the spirit knows.

Words of a crazy person....IMHO of course

Tongues....is it anything like this



hmmmmmmm

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UH! No! God is not the author of confusion! Speaking in Tongues is a manifestation of the Gift of The Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
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UH! No! God is not the author of confusion! Speaking in Tongues is a manifestation of the Gift of The Holy Spirit.

I disagree.

I believe you may have a lot in common with the guy in the video. You probably watch this and see a crazy man talking nonsense. If i were to watch you speak tongues this is what you would look like to me.

I know the dude in the video is faking it because he has a need to feel special....i dunno, hes probably the weird dude no one wanted to associate with as a kid. He has a need to feel important and will go to any lengths to achieve it.

Im not saying you were the weird kid but judging by the OP i would imagine it highly likely.

What evidence can you provide that would prove you were receiving a call from the spirit? Anyone can make up a load of random noises that sound like words.

You must have got my stance now....i dont believe for one minute anything in the OP, and feel you are on the same level as the dude in the video in my eyes.

Pictures or it didn't happen...

I do believe that the ability to speak in tongues is a gift of the Spirit. However, I believe that it means that you are able to converse in another language if needed. I also believe in the gift of interpretation of tongues which means that you would be able to understand another language.

To my understanding, these gifts are special and only last as long as needed, such as emergencies. I do not believe that the Holy Spirit takes over your brain and makes you speak in a totally unknown language that even you do not understand what you are saying.

No offense intended, OP. We each have the right to our own beliefs.

the mouth speaks from the bottom of the heart: If I were to speak this in ancient Greek most people would not know what was said. Unless of course they knew ancient Greek. If I speak it, it is not tongues. It is ancient Greek.
However I just spent 8 hours in a ministry environment in which tongues were spoken. it is a heavenly language, and only an interpreter with that gift can know. I speak in this language only when I am deep in prayer, even today, and few hear it but God.
I speak this way only directly to God in prayer. Others may do so in different cases.
but your post really isn't about tongues. it is about the Holy Spirit. Yes out will come the mockers. Let them mock. but I tell you now that I have seen people who could not walk, stand and walk
. People who could not stand upright from back problems stand straight. I personally have been directly healed of severe arthritis pain. but those are not even in the ball park of the most powerful gifts. the Holy Spirit can do far more. If I asked you what miracle would be the greatest of all, most people would say raising from the dead. I heard a testimony of two people today that has happened to.
I am an RN, having seen X-rays of brain tumors that have simply vanished after healing.
I asked my group today: what is the greatest miracle? It was none of the healing, none of the tongues, or prophecy or dreams. I have had dreams and I do see things I would never reveal here because few would even understand; I hold my mouth on these things because they would reveal things that would truly cause terror in some hearts. But that is seeing...or prophecy: . Never the less the greatest gift the Holy Ghost can bestow is none of these things....it is salvation. It saves the soul. Not the body.
Star for your strength in making this thread. The skeptics will have their say. They are welcome to do so. Not one of their words will prevent the Holy Spirit from doing His work. Who can stand against God and His Spirit?
In the end...Not one person. the Spirit of God, all I can say is ...Whew! O Yea!
DH

Originally posted by calmbutwary
I have always wanted to ask: When you are speaking in tongues, do you understand what you are saying? Do other believers around you understand?

No. I have seen and heard this. Language experts say it is gibberish. To the OP: The Soul and Spirit is one and the same, and composed of Pure, Divine Energy. What you said does not compute. What will you guys come up with next? Grasping at straws, aren't we?

Sorry but I don"t have time to answer each Post individually at this point. I would only say to the previous Post's that of the 9 manifestations of the holy spirit, speaking in tongues is foundational. It is not gibberish. It is not counterfeit. And, no! Spirit and soul are not the same. Although some say it is, in reference to the Word of God, the words spirit and soul come from two different root meanings and that is what I reference in this Post. Sorry I do not have time to walk through a minute detail study regarding spirit life and soul life.

The word ignorance means unlearned and so I mean no insult when I say; it does not take long when a person opens his/her mouth to learn how ignorant or non-ignorant they are. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant. One would only need to be taught in the area concerning the ignorance. But, to be ignorant in an area where others are learned and say that they know more than the learned would be laughable if it were not so sad.

Regarding the previous video feed. Confusion is obvious. I spoke no insult about the man in the video yet I am talked about as one in the wrong. And viewed as one who slanders and judges others.

The vultures who hang around on the limbs here on this Forum called "Religion, Faith and Theology, eating the flesh of those who bring something positive for all to benefit will surely taste judgement themselves unless they repent.

First, providing an explanation for something doesn't make the explanation true. If I flip a coin and it lands on heads, and I say I magically made it land on heads after the fact, that doesn't mean I have to of actually been magical about it, there's other explanations, including chance. There's numerous religious and non-religious explanations why the universe exists as it is. Why should one belief in your specific explanation? Because you say so?

The bible's very vague on the existence of a soul, but it never goes far enough say theirs a third part to mans life. Soul = Spirit, in my interpretation. Please share some verses you have that actually differentiate the two.

Tongues, is a known psychological phenomena, trickery if you will. Anyways, tongues were suppose to be understandable by anyone, the fact that no one understands it is strong proof that it's not true tongues.

Your threshold of required evidence, seems very low. Hypocritically, I'm sure you don't believe in a lot of other things that'd go above that threshold. Islamic faith, Ghosts, Psychics, UFO's and many other things have more than the low amount of evidence you provided.

You need, just a faint indication of proof to confirm something you already belief. While I remain open minded, I need actual substantial proof.

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If a thread exists on the presumption that something is true, I disagree with that topic being shut down into an argument over if it's true or not. If a thread is trying to put proof forward, then it's relevant to discuss why you disagree(like I did above). I personally like discussion of what's valid or not, but I know to keep it to relevant topics.

Christians, Atheists, Conservatives, Liberals, many people jump into topics they aren't welcome in. People can be inconsiderate. No one ever notices that many on their side are inconsiderate too, because they have a mentality that it's ok from them to be, because "they're right". That's a fallacious mentality to use when judging people.

OP you had me untill you used tounges as proof.
The Apostols were given tounges so they could speak to many nations.
Basicaly like a crash course of a certain language.

The only way to draw a picture on this is (I cant wait for the reactions ) Is the Matrix with Neo.
When they hook him up to the machine and everything he wants to know is downloaded into his brain.
The tounges of today is false, it is one of the many false miracles we are warned about.

LOTZA LUV 2 U

reply to post by Cor Leonis

Proof is demanded ad nauseam. "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" That's what the unbelievers demanded of the Lord Jesus Christ himself in the first Century. "Show us a sign!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove it!" "Prove you are the Son of God!" "Show us a miracle!" "Show us a sign and we will believe!"

Nothing much changes in 2,000 years.

Speaking in Tongues is the believers proof that God is true and The Holy Bible is true and The Lord Jesus Christ lives.

Not all believers have the gift of tongues:


"Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" ~ 1 Corinthians 12:30



The presence of the Holy Spirit in a person is if they believe and declare "Jesus is Lord". This cannot be done by anyone without the Holy Spirit.


"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and NO ONE can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit." ~ 1 Corinthians 12:3

So, when you say a bunch of gibberish that makes no sense to the listener or yourself, it proves your god?

You know what would be a better proof imho? That when you pray to your god to heal an amputee and the amputee's limb grows back right then and there. That would be some good ole fashion proof. I mean, how would you explain someone's arm growing back after a believer asked their god to heal it, except that something supernatural must have happened? But someone speaking a bunch of gibberish that NO ONE, not even HIMSELF/HERSELF can understand is supposed to be proof? Do you see what I'm saying friend?

Tkwenf adliae tur ieijna mmdesjf ask,wll,tosjrgns.

That was me typing in tongues. It is proof that god exists.

I can also prove that fairies exist because when I clap my hands, one of them dies.

reply to post by Cor Leonis


You wrote:

["Look, if nature itself and all things that exist in the universe is not proof enough that it all is by divine disign, I'm not sure if anyone on here can say anything to convince the mocker, and one who scoffs at "Religion, Faith and Theology."]

The reason for the concept 'intelligent design' being rejected isn't some general peevish anti-theist attitudes. The i.d concept is rejected, because it's worthless on its own.

That you, .....possibly from ignorance of how real science/logic functions, and by introducing 'magic' in tight spots, ...find the i.d. concept reasonable, only means, that you have added another level of assumptions to your original ones.

Quote: [" Briefly though, I will share with interested persons whether they might believe or scoff regarding proof of God, who is Holy and who is Spirit. He is The Holy Spirit."]

It must be pointed out, that 'the holy spirit' isn't a christian patent. Something practically identical exists outside christianity.

Quote: ["Proof that God exists is manifested in ways that are innumerable. Even the very breath we breath is a gift."]

You're totally wrong about this. Contrary to your claim, it actually 'proves' the flying spaghetti monster.

Quote:: ["At birth the human is a two part being of body and soul. Originally man was a three part being of body, soul and spirit. Man was formed, made and created. He had body soul and spirit. Adam died spiritually and became a two part being and was kicked out of the garden for disobedience. He had a body and soul life. He could eat, breath, smell, touch, think and so forth and so on. However he no longer had fellowship with God. The spirit that God had created within Adam died."]

This isn't a 'proof' of anything, even with a lenient definition of 'proof'. It's plain preaching.

Quote: ["When I became born again of the spirit of God, God, by means of the holy spirit which came to reside in me gave me, the believer, a language called tongues. I can by a manifestation of the spirit speak a language fluently. I do not know what language it is but, I can speak it as I said very fluently and it is a beautiful language."]

Exactly as is the case outside christianity, where it ALSO doesn't 'prove' anything, except that some people will start incoherent talking.

Quote: ["Speaking in Tongues is the believers proof that God is true and The Holy Bible is true and The Lord Jesus Christ lives."]

And for 'believers' from the non-christian group(s) doing the same, it could be a 'proof', that THEY are in possession of some 'truth'.

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And for 'believers' from the non-christian group(s) doing the same, it could be a 'proof', that THEY are in possession of some 'truth'.

A lot of times whatever someone thinks is to them automatically true. That's a trap Christians should know better than to fall into.
I would avoid trusting in superficial experiences that feel somehow profound at the moment.
Real religion is not based on things so fleeting.
Proof is not necessary for true believers and people should not be seeking it.
Did Jesus say, "Come, yea seekers of proof." ? No, he said they will be judged.