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What are these then hmm? Collateral Damage?
Bollocks. Unless you have spent time outside your own country, mixing with other cultures then you haven't a clue what the true meaning of diversity is. Spare me the whole "We don't need to leave America - why would we we have everything we want here" diatribe.
Huh? Are you saying the American corporations leaders are actually from elsewhere? Are you saying America's rich actually come from elsewhere?
Europe colonised Australia.....are you saying Australia has been in an unending war? Don't cherrypick your examples.
So, America has been at war for 209 of it's 235 years and you don't see something wrong with that? I draw your attention to Rome - another empire that spent most of it's time warring - they collapsed in a rather spectacular fashion for reasons that now parrelell what is going on in the US.
Not for long mate. China and India are fast becoming rivals - if China hasn't already surpassed you. If a horse is broken, lying on the ground, do you drag it back up and make it run until it drops dead or do you put it out of it's misery?
There's a good movie scene in Billy Madison where the O'Doyle family, ever so blindly proud of themselves, drives off the side of a cliff while still chanting "O'Doyle Rules". Your attitude reminds me of this.
Originally posted by TheGreatAppleKing
That's a sadistic realization, if you think im lying there must be something wrong with you/and or you havent seen more of the internet.
People outside the U.S tend to think their GOV is better or their country is better for some reason but in reality its just about equal except for the murders and stuff...
And FYI the internet was created in America by the military in the late 20th century.....
SOOOOO.......yeah where do we go from here?
Originally posted by air101
im sure sadam and many others had plaenty of time to understand but didnt. so how much time should we give them?
Originally posted by air101
Originally posted by Movhisattva
reply to post by air101
Well then.
Since you talk about giving to countries in need, let's share some plain numbers on foreign aid for development.
The percentage of GNI the US donates, ranks amongst the lowest from all 'developed' countries:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3d2894c96413.jpg[/atsimg]
Source
wzus1.search-results.com...
i hope the link works.. so we give .20% yet we still give over 28 billion dollars closes was france at 12.. what would you rather have as support that percantage? or a piece of that 28 billion that no one else even comes close to.
sure we can give more so that we can get higher on a % list but why when no one else puts in half of what we do..edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
To qualify as official development assistance (ODA), a contribution must contain three elements:
1.Be undertaken by the official sector (that is, a government or government agency);
2.With promotion of economic development and welfare as the main objective;
3.At concessional financial terms (that is, with favorable loan terms.)
Thus, by definition, ODA does not include private donations.
According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:[1]
1. United States - $28.67 billion
2. France - $12.43 billion
3. Germany - $11.98 billion
4. United Kingdom - $11.50 billion
5. Japan - $9.48 billion
6. Spain - $6.57 billion
7. Netherlands - $6.43 billion
8. Sweden - $4.55 billion
9. Norway - $4.09 billion
10. Canada - $4.01 billion
11. Italy - $3.31 billion
12. Denmark - $2.81 billion
13. Australia - $2.76 billion
14. Belgium - $2.60 billion
15. Switzerland - $2.31 billion
16. Finland - $1.29 billion
17. Austria - $1.15 billion
18. Ireland - $1.00 billion
19. South Korea - $0.82 billion
20. Greece - $0.61 billion
21. Portugal - $0.51 billion
22. Luxembourg - $0.40 billion
23. New Zealand - $0.31 billion
edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
and we are still on top of private donations, so yea...edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)and thats what i call "plain numbers.."edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gorman91
What are these then hmm? Collateral Damage?
Yes. First law in war: there is no law. The goal of war is genocide. The removal of a way of life and all its supporters. Many people supported what Iraq was before Saddam or the US, and wanted their own Muslims state. While not a fan of intervention, Iraq was one of the few dictatorships around with a powerful enough army to disrupt the local nations. It was a key location and, once taken down, forcing democracy was the only logical endpoint. However many die for that goal is irrelevant. War has no laws, and laws made on war by man are foolish at best as they really don't do anything. War is brutal, evil, and its only goal is the extermination of a specific group of people. Considering the war often was from civilian bombings and zones of destruction, I have no care for the numbers.
Bollocks. Unless you have spent time outside your own country, mixing with other cultures then you haven't a clue what the true meaning of diversity is. Spare me the whole "We don't need to leave America - why would we we have everything we want here" diatribe.
Well that sucks for you really, because that's exactly what I believe. And to be honest, being able to speak to a Spaniard who knows English, a Muslim who knows English, and a German who knows English enables me to quickly learn, annex, and swift through facts.
But if in this make believe belief you have more than one language promotes diversity, then by all means prove it. Show me a nation with more than 2 languages spoken by most people that is fully integrated and doesn't have huge racism and divisive problems. The fact that many different people live in an area is not a sign of diversity. The fact that they can live together in peace in America because of the one government and language that binds them all is.
Huh? Are you saying the American corporations leaders are actually from elsewhere? Are you saying America's rich actually come from elsewhere?
Not entirely, but yes. Besides Casinos run by Native Americans, I'm pretty sure most wealthy corporations and families are imports from Europe and Asia.
Europe colonised Australia.....are you saying Australia has been in an unending war? Don't cherrypick your examples.
What's their skin color and culture again?
So, America has been at war for 209 of it's 235 years and you don't see something wrong with that? I draw your attention to Rome - another empire that spent most of it's time warring - they collapsed in a rather spectacular fashion for reasons that now parrelell what is going on in the US.
Well no. Rome did not collapse primarily from its wars. Its wars fueled is power and authority, in fact. What collapsed Rome was selling Roman land to barbarians and not integrating their culture into their own. They pretty much sold themselves into nonexistence. Their culture became too disunited, the government no longer held authority, and their discipline and language were fractured. Thus they basically dissolved into myth.
Not for long mate. China and India are fast becoming rivals - if China hasn't already surpassed you. If a horse is broken, lying on the ground, do you drag it back up and make it run until it drops dead or do you put it out of it's misery?
I'd probably get a car. India's existence is governed by China, and China's existence cannot last much longer. The internet and the Christians are working overtime to dissolve that blind faith in their government so many have. Will be cool to watch, not cool to be in, when they both topple from their bleak inability to promote freedom.
There's a good movie scene in Billy Madison where the O'Doyle family, ever so blindly proud of themselves, drives off the side of a cliff while still chanting "O'Doyle Rules". Your attitude reminds me of this.
Good. Because if the O'Doyles were America, they'd probably first make the car able to fly. It's not blind worship. It's looking at the idea of what America is and what it's done here and abroad. It cannot be stopped. Of course, in theory what we did started in Haiti, so thank their revolution for encouraging our own.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Kryties
No, it's because he was a dictator. No other reason. We put him in to watch out, he betrayed us, we cleaned up the mess. It's really the fault of really bad politics from the 60s. Now that mentality is on the rise again, and probably will be destroyed just the same again.
Originally posted by Romekje
Originally posted by air101
Originally posted by Movhisattva
reply to post by air101
Well then.
Since you talk about giving to countries in need, let's share some plain numbers on foreign aid for development.
The percentage of GNI the US donates, ranks amongst the lowest from all 'developed' countries:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3d2894c96413.jpg[/atsimg]
Source
wzus1.search-results.com...
i hope the link works.. so we give .20% yet we still give over 28 billion dollars closes was france at 12.. what would you rather have as support that percantage? or a piece of that 28 billion that no one else even comes close to.
sure we can give more so that we can get higher on a % list but why when no one else puts in half of what we do..edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
To qualify as official development assistance (ODA), a contribution must contain three elements:
1.Be undertaken by the official sector (that is, a government or government agency);
2.With promotion of economic development and welfare as the main objective;
3.At concessional financial terms (that is, with favorable loan terms.)
Thus, by definition, ODA does not include private donations.
According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:[1]
1. United States - $28.67 billion
2. France - $12.43 billion
3. Germany - $11.98 billion
4. United Kingdom - $11.50 billion
5. Japan - $9.48 billion
6. Spain - $6.57 billion
7. Netherlands - $6.43 billion
8. Sweden - $4.55 billion
9. Norway - $4.09 billion
10. Canada - $4.01 billion
11. Italy - $3.31 billion
12. Denmark - $2.81 billion
13. Australia - $2.76 billion
14. Belgium - $2.60 billion
15. Switzerland - $2.31 billion
16. Finland - $1.29 billion
17. Austria - $1.15 billion
18. Ireland - $1.00 billion
19. South Korea - $0.82 billion
20. Greece - $0.61 billion
21. Portugal - $0.51 billion
22. Luxembourg - $0.40 billion
23. New Zealand - $0.31 billion
edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
and we are still on top of private donations, so yea...edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)and thats what i call "plain numbers.."edit on 27-7-2011 by air101 because: (no reason given)
"Puts in half as much as we do"
DUDE... the Netherlands has 16M inhabitants.. that's like what? New york alone? (ah no, NY has 9M inhabitants), imo percantages give a much BETTER view at how much you actually care about the rest of the world.
this is EXACTLY why half the world (if not more) hates the USA. You spend trillions of dollars that you dont have but conveniently print yourself each year on wars that have nothing to do with what they're told to be fought for, and for the outside world it looks as if the population is all fine and dandy with this, while the rest of the world can keep supporting the countries you keep invading (or no wait, "set free from terror and wmd's wasn't it?") through humanitarian aid.
Originally posted by air101
this is exacty why i feel we should just leave the world alone advance on our own #, make our own # and take care of our own ppl, see how everything turns out.
Originally posted by Kryties
Originally posted by air101
this is exacty why i feel we should just leave the world alone advance on our own #, make our own # and take care of our own ppl, see how everything turns out.
Oh my God PLEASE.....nay PRETTY PLEASE do this. For the love of everything holy would you just hurry up and do this PLEASE?!?!?!edit on 27/7/2011 by Kryties because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by air101
Lol, you seem a little bitter mate.
The world will do just fine without the U.S. poking it's nose in everywhere. Funnily enough you will also find that people aren't so quick to be critical of the U.S. when it's focusing on it's own issues and not everyone elses.
I ask you the same question I asked the other poster: Who the hell asked you to depose Saddam? I seem to remember an excuse about WMD's that were never found. If the U.S. doesn't want people to criticise them STOP DOING STUFF TO BE CRITICISED ABOUT! A novel thought there I know.... I can't believe you are sitting there excusing civilian casualties. It's despicable.
But.......but.......but.........what about the WMD's? Bollocks. Nobody asked you to depose him - you went in there for your own advantages.
And you wonder why the rest of the world thinks A
Living together in peace? Seriously? Race riots anyone? How about the fact that the word "racisit" is used more in the US on a daily basis than anywhere else in the world? You guys are obsessed with it.
So you admit that Americans aren't in control of their own country? Yet you stand there and still shout it's glories? Sense, that makes none.
Whose? Aussies? What are you talking about?
Sold to the barbarians? Umm, I don't know what history books you read mate but they took it off the barbarians, giving them no place to live which is why the barbarians sacked Rome.
LOL. Good luck with that reasoning when you are speaking Chinese.
Keep those rose-coloured glasses on mate - you'll need them to block out your empire collapsing.
Originally posted by air101
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by air101
Lol, you seem a little bitter mate.
The world will do just fine without the U.S. poking it's nose in everywhere. Funnily enough you will also find that people aren't so quick to be critical of the U.S. when it's focusing on it's own issues and not everyone elses.
me bitter? nah... i live in the number 1 place in the world, everything that i need to experience is right here, cultures, history etc all right here im sure that makes you bitter.
"the world will be just fine with out U.S" where are you from? must be from a place that its all about you and your ppl fvck the rest.. the irony is i would bet we more then likely helped you guys out! but i envy your place, i really do wish our government had that mentality, do you know what 28 billion saved a year could do!
Originally posted by air101
me bitter? nah... i live in the number 1 place in the world, everything that i need to experience is right here, cultures, history etc all right here im sure that makes you bitter.
"the world will be just fine with out U.S" where are you from? must be from a place that its all about you and your ppl fvck the rest..
the irony is i would bet we more then likely helped you guys out! but i envy your place, i really do wish our government had that mentality, do you know what 28 billion saved a year could do!