Why do people outside the U.S attack America?

reply to post by air101


Read what I just posted to Kryties. It goes deeper than his actions.

Originally posted by air101

wtf do you do for the world?

We look after the entire Southern Asia-Pacific region. But you wouldn't know that, being all insulated and all.

i know you hate to here it cause you may "feel like your country is doing "something" but even if it was its with our lead, not china not russia, and *gasp believe it or not its not lead by europ or australia. you do what we tell you what to do and how to do it, plain and simple! if you dont like that thrown in your face then quit crying and take the fvcking lead on something! i dont care if its to make sure our troops have enough clothing! take the lead on something! since you feel soooo entitled!

We take the lead in plenty of areas - you'd know that if you looked outside your window once in a while.

you arwe right theur is nothing intelegent about trying to pick a fight with your own ppl, so if you want to continue to be a moron then i will come down to your level just so that i can try and make you realise how much of a moron you are..

More intelligent conversation eh?

like i saud we go down you go down with us.... you dont believe that then the only ignorant person here is you!

LOL, actually Australia has one of the strongest economies at the moment - due to the resources boom from China we are getting rich selling them raw materials. If America goes down it won't affect us that badly because we haven't got all our eggs in one basket We are making more money off China now than we ever did with the U.S.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
But then, America gets held to a higher standard. An impossible one.

America gets held to that standard because you claim to have set those standards.

Funny about that huh.

we dont fvcking "claim" we do...

the fvcking irony of all you dissing america! yes we dont always make the right decisions but not one of any of your countries that you prefer or live in even come close to the # we have to offer...

the only thing i see ignorant on this thread is a bunch of kids crying " america is bad" but then when you get deep into things their country really does, nothing unless we tell them to...

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Kryties

 

Why? All the US knew was that Germany hated the Jews and was on a power trip. No reason to get involved in affairs that don't bother us.

Lol what a joke. Not getting involved in others affairs that 'don't bother you'.....

Next thing you know Germany conquered Europe and rumors of death camps. We have to get involved because their ideology is contrary to ours and is growing in power and influence.

Yet you stood by and watched them attain that power, killing millions of innocent people in the meantime. No, there was no heart in it - only monetary advantage.

It's not so black and white as that. The concept of "Iraq" is invented.

So yes. They did ask us. I admit the US made mistakes in that request, but the events 60 years ago then are dynamically linked to US presence today.

Why, then, did you go in under the pretense of WMD's? Why not just come out and say "We screwed up - we put someone in power who killed a lot of people now we are going to have to kill a lot more to fix our mistake"? Actually, the answer to that is kind of obvious.....

reply to post by Kryties

Lol what a joke. Not getting involved in others affairs that 'don't bother you'.....

That is, by definition, what "policy" is.

Yet you stood by and watched them attain that power, killing millions of innocent people in the meantime. No, there was no heart in it - only monetary advantage.

The wars for independent power in a nation are not what "bother" us. It's when they start forcing that down other people's throats and killing them if they reject that we "get bothers". This may indeed sound contradictory to what I said war is all about. Who the good guy in a war is is what they'll do after they win. Up until the early 40s, there was no evidence for Nazis being evil if they won the war.

Why, then, did you go in under the pretense of WMD's? Why not just come out and say "We screwed up - we put someone in power who killed a lot of people now we are going to have to kill a lot more to fix our mistake"? Actually, the answer to that is kind of obvious.....

Because politicians are dumb. WMDs were simply our scapegoat. Which is what any nation does. We gave them ample time, they went rouge. We intervened.

Originally posted by air101

the only thing i see ignorant on this thread is a bunch of kids crying " america is bad" but then when you get deep into things their country really does, nothing unless we tell them to...

Name one thing about Australia that doesn't require a check of an online resource?

I bet you can't. You claim to have the god-given authority to do whatever the hell you please on this planet and yet you know nothing at all about it.

Originally posted by air101

omg! I DONT FVCKING GET IT! its sad that you think poor countries should man up" well clearly to many, america isnt doing it good enough so maybe its time for someone else to step in, give as much as we do and make sure that every single decision is the absolute right one!

Maybe a decision that seems the absolute right one from your cultural point of view may look like a terrible one in the eyes of someone with a different cultural background.
Deciding what's right for another society would be either ignorance or cultural arrogance.
Our norms and beliefs aren't an absolute.

And that's from the naive, subjective assumption you actually believe you act 'for the best of those people' - the missionary attitude.
Often these actions are merely driven by economic purposes or a lust for power - imperialism, colonization.

Don't feel offended by criticism, instead try understand where it has its roots.
It's not in hate or jealousy.
Gain some insight in people with a different socialization, other morals, habits, culture. Put your prejudices aside, you might find some understanding.

reply to post by Movhisattva


I think some universal truth for that does exist to some degree. I mean would you really stand by and not get involved with clear and obvious genocide against a specific group if they asked you? Don't you think if they asked you for help you should go?

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by air101

wtf do you do for the world?

We look after the entire Southern Asia-Pacific region. But you wouldn't know that, being all insulated and all.

i know you hate to here it cause you may "feel like your country is doing "something" but even if it was its with our lead, not china not russia, and *gasp believe it or not its not lead by europ or australia. you do what we tell you what to do and how to do it, plain and simple! if you dont like that thrown in your face then quit crying and take the fvcking lead on something! i dont care if its to make sure our troops have enough clothing! take the lead on something! since you feel soooo entitled!

We take the lead in plenty of areas - you'd know that if you looked outside your window once in a while.

you arwe right theur is nothing intelegent about trying to pick a fight with your own ppl, so if you want to continue to be a moron then i will come down to your level just so that i can try and make you realise how much of a moron you are..

More intelligent conversation eh?

like i saud we go down you go down with us.... you dont believe that then the only ignorant person here is you!

LOL, actually Australia has one of the strongest economies at the moment - due to the resources boom from China we are getting rich selling them raw materials. If America goes down it won't affect us that badly because we haven't got all our eggs in one basket

We are making more money off China now than we ever did with the U.S.

we can go at it all day and night... you look after that region cause we tell you to, so again we take the ,lead on that.. who the hell do you think they will report to if they see a russian or china sub in the water? who you ganna tell china or russia? lmfao.. i take that back your dumb asses just may tell tehm " hey we see your sub" if we didnt tell you to tell us. or let me guess you will handle it all on your own just like in lybia, right?

australia may have a strong economy atm. why do you think that is? oh right you think china needs australia, but then you say americans are ignorant? lol... you are our egg in that basket! you dont even know it lmfao!

lmfao china russia U.S india and a whole bunch other are higher in the food chain than you, you go ahead and think you got next..

reply to post by Gorman91


And therein lies the reasoning behind why people outside of the U.S. critisise America. You blatently play with the politics of other countries, rising and deposing leaders at will, all for your own advantage and screw how many people die in the process. And further to that, screw how many people die while you are attempting to fix those 'mistakes'.

You create problems, people lose their homes and their lives.
You try to fix those problems, people lose their homes and lives.

STOP MEDDLING. People have had enough loss. It's really that simple.

reply to post by Kryties


That's why diplomacy and, in our modern times, why the internet exists.

Even videos of first contact between primitives and advanced people shows this. They always hold onto their weapons, but do not attack. They learn first. If they judge is wrong, they kill it.

The internet exists so you can learn about a group you don't. Why do you have to actually be there to learn it?

reply to post by Kryties


We would if they stopped asking. As I said. We help who we can, and we haven't always screwed up. Truth is, we have a pretty good track record.

Originally posted by air101

lmfao china russia U.S india and a whole bunch other are higher in the food chain than you, you go ahead and think you got next..

Never at any point in time did I try to claim Australia was high on the food chain, nor did I try to claim "we got next...". Don't put words into my mouth to support your own ignorance.

Originally posted by Movhisattva

Originally posted by air101

omg! I DONT FVCKING GET IT! its sad that you think poor countries should man up" well clearly to many, america isnt doing it good enough so maybe its time for someone else to step in, give as much as we do and make sure that every single decision is the absolute right one!

Maybe a decision that seems the absolute right one from your cultural point of view may look like a terrible one in the eyes of someone with a different cultural background.
Deciding what's right for another society would be either ignorance or cultural arrogance.
Our norms and beliefs aren't an absolute.

And that's from the naive, subjective assumption you actually believe you act 'for the best of those people' - the missionary attitude.
Often these actions are merely driven by economic purposes or a lust for power - imperialism, colonization.

Don't feel offended by criticism, instead try understand where it has its roots.
It's not in hate or jealousy.
Gain some insight in people with a different socialization, other morals, habits, culture. Put your prejudices aside, you might find some understanding.

i get all that but i been around here for some time with, mainly, europ and ausies bad mouthing america as if their country can do better, all im saying is have at it...

and that exact statement can work the other way, it may look evil to you but do you actually know how it would feel to be taken from sadam leader ship into ours and say just look at america, you can be just like that? we are not perfect we make wrong decisions every day but that doesnt mean our heart is in the wrong place. we are actually trying to make a difference and here come the ausies " we have a better economy" well no #! your country isnt exactly shelling out 28 billion plus a year now is it!

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Kryties

 

We would if they stopped asking. As I said. We help who we can, and we haven't always screwed up. Truth is, we have a pretty good track record.

Stop asking? Who asked? Name a few - with proof please.

Track record? A track record of setting up tinpot dictators maybe - certainly not a very good one.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by air101

lmfao china russia U.S india and a whole bunch other are higher in the food chain than you, you go ahead and think you got next..

Never at any point in time did I try to claim Australia was high on the food chain, nor did I try to claim "we got next...". Don't put words into my mouth to support your own ignorance.

im simply trying to show you where you are on the food chain and how ignorant you are.. like i said a few times we go down you go down. dont think that cause you had a better economy than the US for a few short years with a small population that now all the sudden you are entitled to act like a maniac..

reply to post by Kryties


I did. Did you miss my last posts?

We set up a few governments yes. I said a way back that I am no fan of 1960-70 US Policy. It's amazing how much damage can happen from just a decade of bad ideology. So you see why I use Africa as an example of same bad policy for a century, and why I use Philippines and Japan as examples of good policy done right.

Here, you might like this. Not all is true of course, by quite relevant.

Originally posted by air101

i get all that but i been around here for some time with, mainly, europ and ausies bad mouthing america as if their country can do better, all im saying is have at it...

There is a difference between 'bad-mouthing' and criticising. A country that elevates itself to superpower status, claiming the right to police the world, should know better than to cry every time somebody criticises it. Dictatorships do that, Evil Empires do that - benevalent superpowers do not.

we are actually trying to make a difference and here come the ausies " we have a better economy" well no #! your country isnt exactly shelling out 28 billion plus a year now is it!

Yeah and Australia is a fraction of the population of the U.S. - hence the discrepancy in how much is donated. Why is it that this keeps coming up anyways? You could very easily save a lot more than a measly 28 Billion simply by stopping warring with half the known world - whats that like a TRILLION a year?

reply to post by Gorman91


What your not getting is that it is wrong to be playing with other countries like that in the first place. Yet you seem to want to uphold this standard of causing more trouble by intervening in yet more countries.

Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.

reply to post by Gorman91

Some universal truths (humanity) surely exists to a certain degree, the Declaration of Human Rights for example tries to give some form to that.
But at least an intervention should be either solely based thereon, with pure intentions or demanded by the local society. All too often neither is the case.
And yes: almost every country in this world is guilty of having ulterior motives, but in recent times the US is by far the most profound in it.