Report of massive earthquake swarm in Canary Islands

Originally posted by TheUniverse
This mans claims are speculative just like many other scientists claims.

The same applies to the 1 km high waves, they are just speculation, and not only that, they are something that was never know as being seen by humans.

So why can't 500 SQUARE KILOMETRES (THATS HUGE) of land cause a huge displacement in the Ocean enough to cause Massive waves similar or greater to that of which happened in Japan.

If we have a displacement volume to compare it with it would be easier. From what I understand of it (not that much), tsunamis are different from common waves because they are created from the bottom of the ocean, instead of being a surface phenomena. A large landslide into the ocean would be a surface phenomenon, so I think it would create a large wave but not a tsunami.

Oh man I live on the Jersey Shore... yikes!
I hope, if this does happen, we have some kind of warning to haul ass.
Those tsunamis are a real crazy thing to see, let alone witness.

reply to post by TheUniverse


His claims are speculative? Really? On what do you base that? Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where exactly he is speculating about anything?

Try taking a look at the man's biography. He is an expert in the fields of oceanography and tsunamis.

It is not a matter of whether an area of land that size can slip but what the results of this would actually be. Perhaps you should go read the whole page rather than formulating an opinion based on the extract I provided.

reply to post by ArMaP

A large landslide into the ocean would be a surface phenomenon, so I think it would create a large wave but not a tsunami.

Correct. That is the theory.

The two mechanisms are very different.

reply to post by PuterMan


Generally speaking, any prediction, no matter how meticulous in its accuracy, is speculation. It just so happens that his speculation is more based on facts than other speculation surrounding a possible tsunami generated by a landslide at La Palma. Speculation is as speculation does, so they say. Okay, so no one says that, but you get the idea. Hopefully.

I can tell you right off the bat what the problem with the original "mega-tsunami" theory was. It was based on dropping a pile of dirt into a tank full of water. And a smooth, rectangular, enclosed tank at that. Such a set-up is about as far from the reality of the situation as you can get while still managing to remain a convincing demonstration.

Puterman... you don't know who I am, but I would certainly endorse the speculation of George Pararas-Carayannis. His is certainly more founded than that of the people who decided dropping rocks at one end of a plexiglass tank was a good idea.

reply to post by CLPrime

Generally speaking, any prediction, no matter how meticulous in its accuracy, is speculation.

Well absolutely. Any such theory is speculation. I suppose i was trying to convey that as you so correctly put it - this man's speculation is better than most.

Puterman... you don't know who I am, but I would certainly endorse the speculation of George Pararas-Carayannis. His is certainly more founded than that of the people who decided dropping rocks at one end of a plexiglass tank was a good idea.

You are right I don't, but may I say that from your comments on ATS that I have seen, I know enough about you to respect your words.

reply to post by PuterMan


Is this because a landslide underwater actually causes no displacement effect and is instead just raw energy being exerted, whereas a landslide above water must first push down on the water (displacement) losing energy before upward motion occurs in the water ?

Also the height of the wave would depend on the energy in the initial collapse, all depends on the speed the land slips right ?

So, this title is MASSIVELY inaccurate.
Hmmm.. Why do people do these things..wet.kuleuven.be...
here is another pleasurable read

At the time of the appearance of the new island of Sabrina, the smaller West India Islands, situated eight hundred leagues south-west of the Azores, experienced frequent earthquakes. More than two hundred shocks were felt from the month of May 1811, to April 1812, at St. Vincent; one of the three islands in which there are still active volcanoes. The commotion was not circumscribed to the insular portion of eastern America; and from the 16th of December, 1811, till the year 1813, the earth was almost incessantly agitated in the valleys of the Mississippi, the Arkansas river, and the Ohio. The oscillations were more feeble on the east of the Alleghanies, than to the west of these mountains, in Tennessee and Kentucky. They were accompanied by a great
subterranean noise, proceeding from the south-west. In some places between New Madrid and Little Prairie, as at the Saline, north of Cincinnati, in latitude 37 degrees 45 minutes, shocks were felt every day, nay almost every hour, during several months. The whole of these phenomena continued from the 16th of December 1811, till the year 1813. The commotion, confined at first to the south, in the valley of the lower Mississippi, appeared to advance slowly northward. Precisely at the period when this long series of earthquakes commenced in the Transalleghanian States (in the month of December 1811), the town of Caracas felt the first shock in calm and serene weather. This coincidence of phenomena was probably not accidental; for it must be borne in mind that, notwithstanding the distance which separates these countries, the low grounds of Louisiana and the coasts of Venezuela and Cumana belong to the same basin, that of the Gulf of Mexico."

source

This is bad news if it continues to happen. According to research any major force from either a volcanic eruption or an earthquake can cause a landslide that will then make a huge tsunami that will impact the whole eastern coastline of north and south America.

damn.... this looks scary as hell!

um not saying much however the biggest threat would be a mega tsunami coming off of something like a volcano eruption.

if it happens the wave will be as high as 1000 meters and 8 hours later near the coastal areas be up to 100 feet or more.

crazy #! i wouldnt advice anyone going on vacation to the islands.. although i been there myself its still not a good please to go now i think.. don't forget the winds too..

It would take the wave 6.5 hrs to hit New England...not thought to be enough time to mount an effective evacuation.

Quote from 'Apocalypse' by Bill McGuire....
'The Canary Island landslides may be far more efficient at producing large tsunami than their Hawaiian counterparts because of the way in which they enter the water. Although we have obviously never seen such a collapse in action, evidence for the behaviour of the Canary Island landslides is provided by a failed landslide on the eastern coast of El Hierro...
Here, a gigantic block of rock slid seaward for 300m along a fault known as the San Andres before grinding to a halt - what is known as an aborted collapse'

So it isn't just La Palma thats the problem

reply to post by PuterMan


Nice job I was going to post this myself. Stars for you.

I spent some time researching this as I live on the east coast. It seems everyone except the guy responsible for the theory of super doom has come out against his model. Some even said it would be less than the swell of high tide if it even made it to the east coast.

I hope they are right and he is wrong

Originally posted by celticpride
So it isn't just La Palma thats the problem

And El Hierro is the island where these small earthquakes are happening (with only five today).

From what I have seen, this idea of a megatsunami caused by a landslide comes from what happened in Lituya Bay, but, although that was the highest wave ever recorded (indirectly, they only know how high the water went, so the wave would be smaller), the geography of that place is the best to create such things, and, as far as I know, the 143 metres high wave didn't reach any island on the Pacific, and didn't affected the other side of the ocean.

That Alaskan landslide was a biggie alright, 30million m3

An enormous submarine landslide that can still be seen today on Google Earth quite clearly ( 38°11'27.80"S, 179°26'0.55"E) must have cause a massive tsunami across the Pacific est. 170,000 years ago
The Ruatoria debris avalanche deposit covers an area of -3400 km2, is up to 2 km thick, and has a gross volume of over 3,100,000 m3
Supposedly caused by a subducting seamount.

some pdf's on it
www.gm.univ-montp2.fr...
www.tandfonline.com...

reply to post by muzzy


But as far as I know, the 1958 tsunami didn't cross the ocean in a noticeable way, even if it started as a huge wave.

Bumping for an important update 07/26 - apparently the situation in the Canary islands is serious enough that the government there has formed a committee to monitor 'a significant increase in seismic activity'.

There has been over 620 tremors in the last week with mags ranging from 1.0 - 3-0, all at very shallow depths which could indicate pending volcanic activity:

theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com...

July 26, 2011 – CANARY ISLANDS – The Canary Islands Government has said it is monitoring an earthquake swarm on the small island of El Hierro where in excess of 620 tremors of low magnitude have been recorded in the past week. Earthquakes, measuring between 1 and 3 on the Richter Scale, continued on Monday and more have been registered again on Tuesday. The majority of earthquakes are being recorded at a depth of between 5km and 15 km. The Ministry of Economy, Finance and Government Security Canary has convened the first ever meeting of the Steering Committee and Volcanic Monitoring, reflected in the Specific Plan Protection Civil and Emergency for Volcanic Risk, given what it described “the significant increase in seismic activity.” .............

reply to post by Disconnected Sociopath


I couldn't find any indication that the committee was specially formed for this situation or not.

Apparently, there are some people that think that these are volcanic quakes and some that they are common tectonic quakes.

If you believe the Earth has a system of gridlines and "nodes" that work off the EMF, and since the activity must be busy there, and it sure has been busy over near Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic Area. And if you believe that, and no I am not saying a comet or planet x, but our EMF is changing for some reason. And since the gridlines and nodes are known to float around a bit and Morocco has had earthquakes in the past. There might be someplace that could be sitting right in the middle or near one of Earths gridlines between two nodes that has been a little busy here lately too.




Just if you believe in the Earths EMF gridlines, Curry and Hartman lines. Stuff like that.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
There has been a lot of discussion of past major Moroccan EQ's and how there is a very real possibility that a extremely powerful quake could occur there in the near future.

It is a naturally very active place, seismically speaking.

Also keep in mind that region is especially sensitive to damage from weaker quakes, I am not sure why but it could have to do with types of sediments and building construction methods.

In 1960 the "Agadir EQ" , was only a 5.7 but created amazing amounts of carnage and destruction.

Another interesting example of this general region, the 2011 Lorca EQ in Spain was only a 5.1 but it also caused quite a bit of damage. Wiki Lorca EQ

So the point is, for this region we do not need a 9.0 to cause a major catastrophe. A 6.0 would be absolutely devastating for the Morocco / Spanish coastal zones.

And it is quite likely that one will occur sometime in the next few decades, the question isn't if it's when.

Few decades try within the next 8 years or less. I am guessing less. and man will it b big.