Electric Comets, Comet Elenin, Electric Universe Theory, Is NASA Lie Us For Comets

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Illustronic

 

Comets do not have a magnetosphere of their own. They have an induced magnetosphere. It is caused by the interaction of the ionized volatile gases interacting with the solar wind.

Didn't I just say that?

reply to post by Illustronic


Yes, but I wanted to emphasize the word "induced." Nothing personal. Carry on.

Originally posted by avatarded1
3- nasa reported it to be 40,000km then said it grew to 80,000km,thats like 4x the earth

Are you speaking of the comet Elenin because if you are this statement is completely false.

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Hey thanks, DJW001! And same to you, your post made me dig deeper into the mission results which was quite interesting. We are indeed fortunate to live in an age where humanity has progressed to the point where we are actually visiting comets up close!

Not that it's anything personal, we're all just presenting various theories on the universe. I'm no expert. Presenting facts is only "debunking" if the matter of conjecture turns out to be fiction. But I for one don't like seeing NASA thrown under the bus by threads like this. NASA is in fact the primary source of the very information we are debating. We should be supporting their efforts. Like most scientists, individuals within the agency propose theories, debate the evidence, sometimes disagree with each other and then plan missions to gather more results. It takes time for this evolution of thought to play out. That's what makes the system great, the open discussion of ideas.

We should all take the time to read through the NASA mission results. They contain the most incredible information. Even the scientists who have studied these subjects their entire careers are surprised about what they are finding. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

As we know that Euler was honoured on this version of the Swiss Franc note showing a comets orbit, I went in search of an image. I'm hoping that somebody could kindly post the following images in this thread.

Eulers diagram from Briefe an eine deutsche Prinzessin (1773 I think)
digilib.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de.../permanent/library/DWK1035T/pageimg&pn=214&dw=839&dh=676

Swiss note in honour of Euler
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Conclusion:
1)the image honouring Euler on the Swiss Franc note is not the same as he drew in his own book.
2)The location of the planets in their orbit has been changed to reflect a date of 26/9/2011
3 Leonhard Euler = Leonid Elenin

Coincidence my butt. This means something. What exactly I'm trying to discover.
The theory of this thread makes most sense to me.

digilib.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de.../permanent/library/DWK1035T/pageimg&pn=214&dw=839&dh=676

Sorry, try uploading this one

Originally posted by Logman
Wow, even people on GLP are fully behind the debunking of Elenintards. And those guys are insane.....

Allow me to debunk this worthless thread.

Firstly, the Endgames article:

endgametime.wordpress.com...

Even though the planets match up Elenin’s orbit clearly does not match at all. Also the comet is in between the asteroid belt and Mars. The the diagram does not match the time or comet. If you put Elenein in that position the date would be over a month ago and the planets don’t line up, and the orbit path is wrong anyhow.

Open your eyes, people. This comet is nothing. And that infrared picture taken in 2007 is of a carbon star called CW Leonis. Once identified of course doomtards said “OMG Elenin is a super-massive carbon star headed towards us!”. No, it’s still there, in the same position, 4 years later.

The Electric Universe theory comes from James McCanney.

www.jmccanneyscience.com...

Even he is denying that Elenin fits into his Electric Universe model:

Comet Elenin IS NOT A THREAT to earth ... my name and work regarding the electrical nature of comets and the solar system are being hijacked by a government backed misinformation crew making all kinds of wild claims about Comet Elenin ... these postings are on web pages and blogs and many professionally made youtube videos disguised as coming from "average people" like you and me ... many times claiming to have resources to un-named "professional astronomers" who "verify" their baloney stories ... some claim that they talk to aliens who "confirm McCanney's work" along with completely distorted ramblings ... some claim Comet Elenin will cause all sorts of disaster with time lines and dates with some claiming you should move to certain "safe sites" on a given timeline ... these sites and people we have found are all coming from the same place ... let me make it perfectly clear that Comet Elenin is a small comet that will likely not be even seen by most people since it is so small and far away ....

Sheesh, think I give up on ATS.

Awesome post. Shame no-one is interested.

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FEW MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!1ONEone!!!!!

So crazy seeing your post here. I was just watching and pondering plasma cosmology and comets being electrical bodies. S+F

Electricity all the way.

Some interesting new video for covering all information on media end new update for comet ..
Jul 23, 2011
Hi say "PROOF Is Here "

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Illustronic

 

As I said, it is the solar wind that drives the phenomenon; for most of their orbit, most comets are devoid of a measurable ionic cloud and, hence, magnetic field.

For further reading.

thanks for this link, i enjoy this topic and appreciate information (from whichever side of the argument) as enriching.
however i do think you have been a little disingenuous if you are basing your vehement opposition to the OP on this article:

The plasma flow downstream of the bow shock in the magnetosheath (or “cometosheath”) region gradually slows down and contains some features, such as the 'mystery' boundary which remain poorly understood

'poorly understood'.
in their closing words,they expect that the deep impact mission (temple 1) will support the theory they propose in this paper, however, as we can see from the vid in the OP, that has not proven to be the case.

The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses

the scientific method is an ongoing process; so to use a paper written in 2003 as empirical proof of your own theory when much more new data is now available, is frankly astonishing.

a (very) cursory search for more recent material by the authors of this paper has proved fruitless, i would have thought if their theory had been proven there would be more.

this is a fascinating subject, for myself the electric universe would make much more sense.
thanks for the info OP.

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wow now even telling me what i am saying. i said someone was going to die? hmmmm dont remember that, thanks for telling me what i am saying tho.
btw, why would you feel singled out? didnt mention no names. some peoples conscience just wont let them sit idle.

reply to post by Dalke07

Hi say "PROOF Is Here "

If I were as ignorant as the man in that video, I would be embarrassed to show my face on YouTube. There were about a dozen comets discovered last year. Perform this experiment: go to all of the news outlets he did and search for their discoverer's names: McNaught, Boattini, Lemmon, Gibbs, Scotti, Spahr, etc. You will find no mention of them. Is this because the news media are covering up all comets? Or is it that the news media aren't interested in comets?

Originally posted by Logman
Awesome post. Shame no-one is interested.

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FEW MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!1ONEone!!!!!

I starred the original post mate, for all the good it'll do... No matter what you or anybody else writes, the believers will not change their mind. I don't even bother trying any more.

I see some people posting picture of orbit on 10 Swiss franc so i post here one more time ..

On this picture of orbit, Jupiter end Saturn are on wrong place so I did not take any attention for that picture ..

Saturn need to by at place of Jupiter end south from Sun need to be Jupiter , author of 10 Swiss franc pointing some other date or other comet ..
Saturn 10,759 Earth days (or about 29½ years) is orbit time so if you want Saturn at that place like on picture you will miss by 15 years ..
Is from 1773
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So all forget that orbit picture of 10 Swiss franc ..


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I catch some interesting fields of comet Elenin from this video ..

Is probably nothing but I share this ..

Only put some 50 % saturation up in photo editor..


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reply to post by Dalke07


The guy in that video didn't even have the courtesy to turn off the radio while he was making it. He didn't bother to have the other photographs available to compare the background stars. It is very difficult to respect him if he doesn't respect his audience. Why not post links to the actual photographs? I believe the photo he is "analyzing" comes from here:
sydneystargazers.com...

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Dalke07

 

The guy in that video didn't even have the courtesy to turn off the radio while he was making it. He didn't bother to have the other photographs available to compare the background stars. It is very difficult to respect him if he doesn't respect his audience. Why not post links to the actual photographs? I believe the photo he is "analyzing" comes from here:
sydneystargazers.com...

Hehe, I use only shoot man from that video ..

I cut, zoom end edit this ..

I don't like video to mach, only use picture but need to put audio -350' vol..

On that site I'm all time but they stop update long time end that worry my very mach ..

This is last good from Jun 13 ..

sydneystargazers.com...

End I posted here ..

I have another flaw to point out in this theory. The claim is that Elenin's periodicity is the reason that it is "causing" earthquakes. However, where were all the earthquakes for other long-period comets? Nobody was making these claims about Hale-Bopp or Donati. And before anyone claims that this is because they have shorter orbital periods than Elenin what about Comet West? Its last perihelion was in 1975 and has an aphelion distance of 70,000 AU. This is 70 times the distance of Elenin's aphelion and it potentially has an orbital period of over a million years. So, where were all of the 10.0+ earthquakes in 1975 that ripped the Earth in two?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I have another flaw to point out in this theory. The claim is that Elenin's periodicity is the reason that it is "causing" earthquakes. However, where were all the earthquakes for other long-period comets? Nobody was making these claims about Hale-Bopp or Donati. And before anyone claims that this is because they have shorter orbital periods than Elenin what about Comet West? Its last perihelion was in 1975 and has an aphelion distance of 70,000 AU. This is 70 times the distance of Elenin's aphelion and it potentially has an orbital period of over a million years. So, where were all of the 10.0+ earthquakes in 1975 that ripped the Earth in two?

Problem is because we don't know structure, physical characteristic, magnetic field and core of comets or comet Elenin ..

They can not by same, most important for my is how old are they ..

We need mach more information for comets but we don't have them end they (NASA) don't know enough to tell us or they lie because they are dangerous for all humanity end they can't destroy comet like in movie ..

They tray some thing but not working, looks like we are not ready for hazardous object from space specially for comets ..

The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

www.thunderbolts.info...

Some interesting reading - covertnews.blogspot.com...