Electric Comets, Comet Elenin, Electric Universe Theory, Is NASA Lie Us For Comets

reply to post by yourmamaknows

Are you going to volunteer some of your time to clean up the mess this harmless object leaves in it's wake?

Can't you see I'm already trying to clean up this mess that you are trying to cause?

Would only seem right. Telling people that this thing is not dangerous is morally reprehensible.

And if some moron locks his family in the garage and leaves the car's motor running to spare them the pain of this make believe doomsday you're pushing...?

Comets simply do not have the mass for an electromagnetic field. Are you aware of how a large creates an electromagnetic field? Besides outgassing, (thawing), comets are dormant.

reply to post by avatarded1


And you will not be able to provide a reputable link for any of these statements. I can make a list too. Means jack.

reply to post by DJW001


Again, I see no links in your posting to scientific sources other than the one I provided. And the OP has provided no accredited source that NASA is lying or that electric universe theory is proven.

What I was looking for was something like this:

Where is your evidence that comets are magnetically inert?

Because they do not have a molten iron core, for one thing.

Ok, I understand that a molten core can cause a magnetic field, but it is not the only cause of magnetic fields in space and saying that comets have no molten core (without any link to a scientific source) does not prove that comets are magnetically inert.

The comet develops a "bow wave" in the solar wind, not unlike the wake of a boat. This causes a magnetic disconnection in the lines of magnetic force emanating from the Sun. As the frozen gases volatize, the ultraviolet radiation from the Sun strips electrons off of the molecules, forming charged daughter atoms and particles. These ionized gases and particles are then "blown back" by the solar wind, spiraling around the Sun's magnetic lines. As they encounter the missing electrons they need to complete themselves, the electrons fall to a lower "shell," releasing the excess energy in the form of a photon. This causes the tail to fluoresce. An interesting by product of this is that if the comet's path crosses from a region where the Sun's magnetic field has the opposite orientation to the one it has been passing through, the comet will shed its tail and grow a new one!

This contradicts your earlier statement that comets are magnetically inert. Comets have a significant magnetic interaction with surrounding space and it is this very fact, that the trail is an electric plasma not a steam/water trail as the old dirty snowball theory proposed, that is fueling the debate about electric universe theory.

Here is a scientific source that states that support the comets can have magnetic interactions. See the entry for Magnetosphere on the Comet Rosetta mission page:

Magnetosphere
The area above the ionosphere dominated by the comet’s magnetic field and bounded by the magnetopause. The magnetosphere contains ionized plasmas from two sources: solar wind particles (mostly protons and electrons) flowing from the sun, and ionized atoms) knocked loose from the comet’s nucleus? These plasmas swirl in complex patterns throughout the various regions of the magnetosphere.

Comet Rosetta: Glossary

In NASA's posting, the source of the ionized atoms is a question mark, hence I don't see this as a settled issue. But it does show that comets are not magnetically inert. I'm still not convinced that this is direct evidence that NASA is lying or that it supports electric universe theory either. But it is one piece of evidence that is changing how we see our universe.

reply to post by avatarded1


Where are you getting this information from??? Anyone can make up stuff too.

"Nasa says Comet Elenin is only 1 km wide and its going straight into the sun."

reply to post by Chronon

This contradicts your earlier statement that comets are magnetically inert. Comets have a significant magnetic interaction with surrounding space and it is this very fact, that the trail is an electric plasma not a steam/water trail as the old dirty snowball theory proposed, that is fueling the debate about electric universe theory.

Fair enough, but it is the Sun that is driving the magnetic interaction. And I doubt that there is much debate about the electric universe theory.

wow, it is really amazing that there only seems to be a certain group of debunkers on this whole site. and they repeatedly debunk/or try to debunk everything. even some things that are impossible to know by anyone alive. i am starting to feel there is an agenda outside of trying to always be right or the customary saving of peoples lives. i can think of alot more scientific everyday ways to save peoples lives than to jump on ats and try to look like the genius for everyone and everything.

The problem is
Many say "we just CAN'T know" when they should be saying "we don't know HOW to know!"...
Others, after spending years learning how to know, actually do know...

reply to post by letscit


If you want doom and gloom with no critical thinking go over to GLP. ATS demands a higher quality poster that can deny ignorance. If you all want to claim we're all going to die, give each other high fives, and not have to deal with someone pointing out the flaws in your "theories" then ATS is not the place to be. Everything you post on here is fair game for criticism and when your throwing about flawed claims that could end in someone killing themselves or others expect people to step in and correct your mistakes. It may seem strange that us "debunkers" are on ATS, but just because we are skeptics doesn't mean we don't find material on ATS interesting and thought provoking. I've personally spent the past two days glued to the Zodiac and 8-13-11 threads because they are intriguing to me. On top of that ATS is also the best place to get up-to-the-minute news. If someone presents an interesting theory I will give them the credit they are due and I have even presented a few fringe theories of my own. However, this Elenin stuff is simply fearmongering at its worst and has no merit whatsoever.

I want to start thread before month for this information so I post here because members don't believe to mach for connection of earthquakes, CME's end geomagnetic storm ..

Every time when is strong geomagnetic storm I feel bad, not to bad but I feel differences ..
I live in nature so my head is very clean of global bad things end stress ..

So when is maximum I feel like I' m nervous little but constantly without reason end can enjoy so mach in nature, water, animal end they feel similar etc. like my feeling are blocked, some kind of pressure in my head, dogs only want to sleep ..


I shear this maybe some by interested of that when geomagnetic storm are on max., end give us some personal experiences information ..


New Scientific Study Shows Solar Activity Affects Human Physical and Mental State

A recent study published in the science journal 'Nature', indicates a direct connection between the Sun's generating of charged particles such as solar flares, and coronal holes which on occasion open wide gaps of highly charged Sun particles often reaching the size 20 Earth's pumping out blobs of charged particles out into space an which occasionally has its guns set at Earth.

The Earth's magnetic field is the conduit which facilitates charged particles from the Sun to human disturbance. It is this very same conduit which steers Earth's natural earth changing events such as climate, weather, earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes etc.

This study suggests humans may be genetically pre-disposed to the influence by geomagnetic flux as it relates to the Earth's magnetic field and charged particles such as solar flares, coronal mass ejections, gamma rays, and galactic cosmic rays.

www.truthwinds.com...


Peace ..

If I put Hydrogen Peroxide on a cut and the free radical oxygen foams on my hand is that an electric reaction? No it isn't, it's simply a chemical bond from an unstable molecule to a more stable one. (It just so happens to benefit me too). That's what's going on in ion plasma, atomic nucleuses and free electrons striped and finding a bond.
That's about as basic a description one can make.

The reaction is from the sun, without the sun the comet is dormant, they simply do not have the mass to develop a magnetosphere. An ionosphere is different, but it is still a reaction from the solar wind, the sun.

A ion tail of a comet is sparser than the best manmade vacuums on earth, a density of like 100 atomic particles per cubic centimeter, the coma is even sparser.


It's not speculation, we've visited up close comet nucleuses, even brought samples back to earth for further analysis. The reaction is simple thawing, plain and simple.

reply to post by Illustronic


Comets do not have a magnetosphere of their own. They have an induced magnetosphere. It is caused by the interaction of the ionized volatile gases interacting with the solar wind. The closer the comet grows to the Sun, the larger the coma and the more ions there are, hence the induced field grows stronger. As I said, it is the solar wind that drives the phenomenon; for most of their orbit, most comets are devoid of a measurable ionic cloud and, hence, magnetic field.

For further reading.

I would like to thank Chronon for making a thought provoking post that allowed me to research the subject of comets more deeply. I sincerely wish that there were more members like Chronon, and fewer superstitious fear mongers here!

Some new picture end video from one guy, little to mach corrected with editor I try something later ..

Alignment happen at Jun 24, 2011, we see are bigger CME's appear on Sun or earthquakes-volcanos on Earth in next days-hours end is very possibly if Elenin have effect on Sun or Earth ..


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"7/23/2011 New Pics Of Elenin , Alignment with Jupiter-Sun & Earthquake Update."

Wow, even people on GLP are fully behind the debunking of Elenintards. And those guys are insane.....

Allow me to debunk this worthless thread.

Firstly, the Endgames article:

endgametime.wordpress.com...

Even though the planets match up Elenin’s orbit clearly does not match at all. Also the comet is in between the asteroid belt and Mars. The the diagram does not match the time or comet. If you put Elenein in that position the date would be over a month ago and the planets don’t line up, and the orbit path is wrong anyhow.

Open your eyes, people. This comet is nothing. And that infrared picture taken in 2007 is of a carbon star called CW Leonis. Once identified of course doomtards said “OMG Elenin is a super-massive carbon star headed towards us!”. No, it’s still there, in the same position, 4 years later.

The Electric Universe theory comes from James McCanney.

www.jmccanneyscience.com...

Even he is denying that Elenin fits into his Electric Universe model:

Comet Elenin IS NOT A THREAT to earth ... my name and work regarding the electrical nature of comets and the solar system are being hijacked by a government backed misinformation crew making all kinds of wild claims about Comet Elenin ... these postings are on web pages and blogs and many professionally made youtube videos disguised as coming from "average people" like you and me ... many times claiming to have resources to un-named "professional astronomers" who "verify" their baloney stories ... some claim that they talk to aliens who "confirm McCanney's work" along with completely distorted ramblings ... some claim Comet Elenin will cause all sorts of disaster with time lines and dates with some claiming you should move to certain "safe sites" on a given timeline ... these sites and people we have found are all coming from the same place ... let me make it perfectly clear that Comet Elenin is a small comet that will likely not be even seen by most people since it is so small and far away ....

Sheesh, think I give up on ATS.

reply to post by Dalke07


Well S & F for you
You just got your in before i did about comet and the Electric Universe Theory
It sure made me think for a while hope it does the same to other.
May not be all true but think of all the possibility.

reply to post by Dalke07


Posting the same debunked nonsense over and over again does not make it true. Please, please, please stop getting your "information" from YouTube.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Dalke07

 

Posting the same debunked nonsense over and over again does not make it true. Please, please, please stop getting your "information" from YouTube.

Where you find yours, so I can copy-past .. xD

Maybe you have your telescope, I don't like most members here, we try something with friend telescope but not good pictures ..

We all want to see pictures not watching yo00utube movies end no00 0ne give us any good ..

So I must searching everywhere end all option ..

First two from here ..
spaceobs.org...

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The other two from Jul 22, video here ..




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Here some new video from same guy from Jul 23, 2011

my name and work regarding the electrical nature of comets and the solar system are being hijacked by a government backed misinformation crew making all kinds of wild claims about Comet Elenin ...

Hmmmm... Well now.

Government backed misinformation? There are members of ATS who know ALL about this, it feeds their seeds lol. Just to uh, throw this out there:

"Any of you who are deliberately throwing members off from the truth...The sea will run red with blood from your neck". -So sayeth me

ELECTRON WARNING:

Analysts at the GSFC Space Weather Lab report elevated levels of energetic electrons around Earth. ("GOES 13 > 0.8 MeV integral electron flux is above 105 pfu." )
This is caused by the high-speed solar stream now blowing around our planet. Spacecraft with orbits passing through or in the vicinity of the Earth's outer radiation belt could be affected by these charged particles.

www.spaceweather.com...

Sun is very active at this time ..