Norway: Blast near prime minister's office in Oslo

reply to post by varikonniemi


That is not karmic debt. Go learn what karmic debt is. People will try to twist such a stupid belief when it fits them. Karmic debt would be believing a child in an abusive home chose this before he or she was born. If such idiocy exist, it must of been karmic debt when attacks were ever carried out under NATO in its entire history. Karma is a stupid belief!

A Swedish site named "political incorrect" has gone out with details about the suspected man of the shootings at the childcamp near Oslo. Like many have said, he is 32 years, christian, conservative and have freemasoanary as one of his activities on facebook. This is what he looks like:




Compared to the same pictures in media:



His Facebook page

SOURCE (in Swedish): politisktinkorrekt.info...

I could easily make an argument that this is indeed a New World Order type of event. I still can't get over how many people never heard of the USS Liberty. I believe the CIA, along with others, have the capability of program an individual to act on their behalf.

But. I must not forget the human animal. And the capacity for an individual to habour hate. The individual can act and cause extreme violence if unchecked. Although at least 17 dead is tragic, it's not that shocking. Cho, Virgina Tech. Serial killers, over time, they have killed even more than Cho. Pathological hatred is real. And needs no conspiracy.

This man hated the left. His justification was politics. If he is an ultra-nationalist, his biggest grievence is immigration. His hatred would be for people that aren't Norweigen. But the ultimate treason would be by his own countrymen for allowing an impurity into the nation. The penalty for treason is execution. That's what he's done.

In Norway, immigration has been a newsworthy topic of late. It is not the only country where this issue is front and center. In Russia, ultra-nationalists kill and mutilate foreigners. Other countries have elected right wing governments and members who ride the public blacklash to immigration policies, and make their way to public office. Nationalist politicians routinely stir the pot.

In Norway, a group of Ethiopians had a protest.

www.newsinenglish.no...

This would have angered a racist ultra-nationalist. I should just call it was it is, it's fascism. He is a neo-nazi.

Also, Norway has other high profile immigration controversies. Maria Amelie. She came to Norway as undocumented immigrant. After the fall of the Soviet Union, may people from east Europe came to western countries to find work and a better life. This is seen by nationalists as a matter of security.

en.wikipedia.org...

This type of violence is especially old. A disgruntled angry person will often look for a villian they can blame for all of their problems. With a racist, it's the foriegner. Or it can be women. Anything that justifies to them their need for violence. During hard economic times you will find this blacklash is always more common.

If you believe this is completely unbelievable and it is hard for you to understand this horror, then you haven't been studying your history. In the old days, when times were tough, there were mobs that killed foreigners because they blamed them for taking their jobs.

I'm not trying to belittle this sad story at all. It's just that the media and many will run around and say how unfathomable the whole thing is. It isn't. The media must not be able to comprehend such events because they spend so little time on the stories which demonstrate ethnic violence. Does anyone remember the Kyrgy-Uzbeck violence?

When politicians stir the ethnic pot, ugly- ugly- violence always follows.
If you get enough people stirred up, you get massacres (Rwanda), and or wars.

reply to post by Pette94


I know Freemasonary is bad ( the god of Freemasons is Lucifer) but we know nothing about this man so I'm withholding judgment till the facts are out. I don't think it's fair to go on speculation alone. If he really were a Christan he would not do this as murder clearly go against what Christ & the apostles taught. If he's guilty, I want to know what was going on in his head.

Originally posted by lost artistic
He is a nationalist. Against Islam. Anders Behring is is name. This is a link to his picture. This is the picture of true terror and hate
Anders Behring Breivik (February 13th, 1979)

Link
Wikipage of it

edit on 22-7-2011 by lost artistic because: links

The looney-left are going to go rabid on this one then.

Ive seen multiple reports on this from varying broadcasters. Every one of them so far has mentioned Norways involvement in Libya as being a potential catalyst. How long is it gonna be before this so called terrorist attack is used to justify putting troops on the ground in Libya? If it wasn't so Hideous it would be laughable.

Norwegian media are also confirming the picture and name as shown in previous posts right now. Full picture and name were published by the police.

He is probably a Christian fundamentalist opposing the views of the labor party and their views on the Palestine - Israel conflict. This shows the destructive nature of fundamentalism in any form, not just Islamic.

My condolences to the victims

reply to post by Frostmore


No you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with being a Christian fundamentalist. Fundamental just means basic truths. So if you're a fundamentalist Christian you are a Christian adhering to the basic truths at least.There is nothing in Christianity supporting murder. Read the teachings of Christ or the apostles.

Jesus Christ said love our enemies as did the apostles. I'm against Islam, it is indeed antichrist but it's not the only one. Vengeance is for the LORD, not any person.

A shocking event, but we all should wait and find out who he really is and if he was working alone in this act of murder and bombing.

He may just be a convenient scapegoat.

reply to post by soaringhawk


Call it extremism then. Having extreme views about an entire group of people is in my opinion, unreasonable. There will always be fragmentations within "groups" and different interpretations of their purpose.

reply to post by Frostmore


I just call it a mad man.

Oh this bombing is all over the news here in the states.

It's convenient eh! How Norway was thinking of breaking away from the international control of the powers that be and there plans, and now we get the terrorists blowing stuff up in there towns and general direction.

Were were all these "terrorists" when Norway was playing to the tune of the piper, and actually supported the war and the powers that be's plans for world power and control of resources, and peoples minds?

Coincidence? No such thing exists.

There is absolutely no way in heck this guy acted alone. He had to have gotten help from some group. He had no military service but somehow knew how to make multiple bombs and massacre an entire camp? Something is obviously not adding up here.

reply to post by Frostmore

Call it extremism then. Having extreme views about an entire group of people is in my opinion, unreasonable. There will always be fragmentations within "groups" and different interpretations of their purpose.

I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh at this point at the Conservatives.

Yeah, you know those hate-filled people you were talking about following the path of destruction? Yeah, that would be you guys.

Condolences to all involved, I mean no disrespect, but maybe now they will be a little more quiet. Or is this wishful thinking on my part?

Loose rumors continues to flow through the interverse, I believe the shooting at the island Utóya is worse than depicted in the news media. I'll quote some information I came across on another forum, thus not very reliable but is supposed to originate from Norway.

People who say they have inside sources from the medical crew claim over 70 dead.

This isn't just a shooting, it's a slaughter, my god.

reply to post by Cauthion

Well if that's true then there is no way one guy killed 70 people so either that's bravo sierra, or we are not being told the entire story. Based on some of the pictures I have seen I am going to guess that we are not being told the full story. I saw at least 15+ bodies in one picture alone. There is no way there was only one shooter on that island. No way, no how.

Looks like he was a member of Fremskrittspartiets Ungdom (Progress Party's Youth). Here's what wiki says:

The Progress Party’s Youth (Norwegian: Fremskrittspartiets Ungdom, FpU), is the youth wing of the Norwegian political party the Progress Party. It is generally more libertarian than the Progress Party itself, both with regards to economics and politics in general. The current leader of the organization is Ove Vanebo.

In the organization's manifesto, it states that;[2] "The government should not use economic politics to influence economic development", in stark contrast to the Progress Party's economic politics. It also wishes to replace the public safety net with private insurance arrangements and privatize some schools and hospitals, making the public hospitals "compete" with the privately owned hospitals. On social politics, the youth party also has a much more liberal approach. The youth party does not support gay marriage in a common church, thus they do support them in getting married in a humanitarian church, due to religiously-influenced views that state that it is against the bible and what the church is built on.

The overarching political principle of FpU is that of individual freedom, and the right to do as you want, as long as it don't bother anyone else or break any religious principles. A much used slogan, "my freedom ends where yours starts", illustrates that in a clear way.

Also he owns Breivik Geofarm. Fertilizer bomb, perhaps?

Originally posted by ChrisF231
reply to post by Cauthion

 

Well if that's true then there is no way one guy killed 70 people so either that's bravo sierra, or we are not being told the entire story. Based on some of the pictures I have seen I am going to guess that we are not being told the full story. I saw at least 15+ bodies in one picture alone. There is no way there was only one shooter on that island. No way, no how.

Well, he's indeed one cold hearted son of a bitch. I've read that he shot people in tents and stuff too, if you look at pictures of the whole island, there's loads of tents where all the teenagers were gonna sleep (560 people).
He prolly had an hour or so to commit his inhuman crime, with an automatic weapon you can unload alot of ammo in that time.
I can only imagine what horror took place on that island.

Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by lost artistic
He is a nationalist. Against Islam. Anders Behring is is name. This is a link to his picture. This is the picture of true terror and hate
Anders Behring Breivik (February 13th, 1979)

Link
Wikipage of it

edit on 22-7-2011 by lost artistic because: links

The looney-left are going to go rabid on this one then.

The Loony left being the ones who didn't kill people?

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that this was a Neo-nutjob acting on his own. Many previous posters point out the fact that Norway was going to pull out of Libya and support a Palestinian state. I Just came across this, not sure if it has been mentioned yet.

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

Not sure if this is at all credible information but source seems to be. If someone knows if this is factual or not, chime in.