Anonymous Hackers Claim To Breach NATO Security.

Originally posted by Partygirl

Originally posted by vkey08

I used personal files as an example to try and get you to realize that even government databases hold our medical, financial and other records, so for them to hack those organizations that you claim are corrupt (and they very may well be) exposes a lot of innocent people to having their private data dumped indiscriminately. Imagine if they somehow decided to go after the DEA and all of those prescription records suddenly were dumped, or passwords to those servers were given, if you were on a drug that you didn't want to be made public, well sorry dude, Lulz to ya, there it is. Or how about that mortgage you wanted to get, and didn't because of a credit score, well the credit agencies are targets, and your file may be one of those dumped... See where I'm going now? (I really should not have had to explain it but).

Maybe it's time to ask why we live in a world were people are always hiding information. Hiding their medical records. Obsessed with their credit score.

People are ruled by these things! "Oh noez, what if somebody finds out I took such-and-such medicine !! What if my bankster video-game score is known?"

"Oh noes, why would I ever want to leave prison? It's so cozy in here, the routine is familiar, and the warden and the guards give me all my food. Who would feed me if there were no prison guards!"

Maybe its time to ask why we live in a world where we have such a neurotic relationship to things like "credit scores" and "medical records." These are worries our granparents never had! These "scores" and "records" are a YOKE AROUND OUR NECKS and they are destroying the quality of life. By keeping people in fear -- terror, even -- of losing their job if they say this or that...you call that a free society?

Maybe its time to take a cold, hard look at the real cost of supporting the status quo.

Geez, use something as an example, and you get your head bitten off.

So let me restate this: I agree with the principle behind what is being done, I do not agree with the method.

Yes we need to realize that these things are bad, but it does not equate that you break the law and invade my privacy to prove that point. I also seem to remember that somewhere in the Constitution it provides me with a right against illegal search and seizure, well my records, even if in an "evil government" computer are still MY records and I for one do not wish for them to be spread around, it's that simple, and i have the RIGHT to not have them spread around. So whether it's Anon or The Government as far as I am concerned, breaking into systems and tossing out private information is wrong no matter WHO does it.

But none of that takes away from what it seems noone has read in my posts thus far: I agree with the ideas and principle of what they are doing and applaud the effort, but they need to work on the method, because right now no matter how you cut it, no matter how much you hate big corporations or the evil government, it's still an illegal act, and as such takes away from the message that's being sent. We have plenty of legal ways to protest and show discontent, there is NO reason to start breaking laws to do this.

reply to post by vkey08


You realize that all your 'private' information isn't actually private, right?

Big corporations have it, the government has it. Pretty much any company with a dollar that wants your information, will have it. Have you heard of Data Mining?

Ever notice how when you search certain things, then ads on webpages start to be geared towards your searches? (google).

Your data is not private in the least, someone has it somewhere and is using it for their own gain, you may be only one person. But every single person who owns a credit card, has medical records, has a car, has anything, they know everything about you.

Data mining (the analysis step of the Knowledge Discovery in Databases process, or KDD), a relatively young and interdisciplinary field of computer science,[1][2] is the process of extracting patterns from large data sets by combining methods from statistics and artificial intelligence with database management.[3]

With recent technical advances in processing power, storage capacity, and inter-connectivity of computer technology, data mining is seen as an increasingly important tool by modern business to transform unprecedented quantities of digital data into business intelligence giving an informational advantage. It is currently used in a wide range of profiling practices, such as marketing, surveillance, fraud detection, and scientific discovery. The growing consensus that data mining can bring real value has led to an explosion in demand for novel data mining technologies

Link

They use your information so they can market more products to you. So you can buy them with your debt, as thats all money is is debt. Every last penny.

As a matter of fact, there is probably a 50/50 chance that someone has your information and can use it for bad purposes. They just haven't. No need to when said bad person has 10,000 other peoples information as well. (random number)

Read the book The Broken Window
the Broken Window

Could be interesting

I think there is a lot of misunderstanding going on here.

For those that don't understand the hacker sub-culture, a decent (and I say that sparingly, as I was once a part of the culture) is Bruce Sterlings - The Hacker Crackdown. It's free - read it and you will gain some insight into why they do what they do.

Anonymous is not the enemy - they aren't here to send your kids to jail (if your child loves computers and spends all day on them, then teach them the proper way to conduct security practices. There are plenty of programs free of charge that they can use to practice without going to jail. Parenting starts with the Parents.)

Hacktivism has been around (although the term was coined in the late 80's, possibly early 90's by the Cult of the Dead Cow) since the late 70's and early 80's. Alot of what I've read seems to jive with Zietgiest Addendum beliefs. If you haven't seen Zietgiest Addendum I suggest you watch it - it's worth the 2 hours.
Anyway, we need people like Anonymous. We need these people to wake up the sheeple and show authority that they are NOT the end all be all of our existence. You can call them traitors or cyber terrorists or whatever, but today - as it were in the 80's - Anonymous fight fat cat corporations who are robbing you and forcing you to work for what should be free! Information and the flow of it should be a RIGHT not a purchased privaledge.

I for one agree as long as it done responsibly. Anonymous - don't forget which side of the fence your on. Don't hurt those you originally set out to assist.

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Star my friend. You hit the mole right on the head.

Zeitgeist Appendum, i watched it a few days ago and it was well worth the two hours. thats how i learned that all money = debt. no matter what. because the fed created the money out of thin air, by making it debt.

And Anonymous is not just hacktivists either, there are lots of offshoots, all sharing the name and a common goal, the Anons from whatis-theplan are activists, truthers, spreading the truth physically on the streets, or online in places such as facebook, twitter, myspace, etc.

CDC , good old days

Chaos computer Camp, wonderful summers

Haha, Wardriving. Lol.

I remember playing with peoples unsecured wifi, haha. Even just renaming the AP to something funny or stupid, just for the hell of it. Its even funnier when we get a response the next day when the AP is renamed to something like "stay out" or something, still unsecure. So simple to open up the router page and enable mac filtering. No internet for youuu

reply to post by Prozium


so what is anon really about?

reply to post by yeti101


This is a quote directly from the whatis-theplan.org website

To understand The Plan and the purpose it serves, it is best to first acquaint yourself with Anonymous. The question is not who is Anonymous, for we are all brothers and sisters of one single idea. The question is what is Anonymous. Anonymous is a collective of people across the world who, despite their common differences in opinion and beliefs, unite under one common desire for true freedom and a world rid of oppression.

While some may think that being Anonymous requires concealing ones' identity, this is simply not the case. Identity matters not to a member of Anonymous. While some who practice online activist acts (hacktivism), certainly desire to keep their true identity secret for security purposes, others whom you will find in this community understand that who they are does not matter so much as what they stand for. In Anonymous there are no leaders, no figure-heads, no designated spokesmen...as each of us are all of these things in our own right. We have taken the initiative to rise to the occasion and stand firm against the oppressive and destructive forces that have laid waste to our world and raped our way of life.

In this community you may witness some disagreements, perhaps the occasional argument, after all we are only human. But one thing you will notice as a common and shared goal: freedom and a desire for change. In this we practice the ways of a hive-mind. Each of us contributing ideas and information and the masses acting upon it, all in simultaneous fashion. As the community grows, so does our ability to reach others and one thing is certain, Anonymous cannot be stopped. For while we are all individuals in our own right, the idea of Anonymous is unstoppable.

Again, Anonymous is not a group or entity. It is not you, nor me or any single individual. Anonymous is an idea. Those who identify themselves with Anonymous share the common idea of freedom and a world free of oppression. Anything that stands between the people and these freedoms becomes a target to severe scrutiny and protest.

Many misconceptions of Anonymous have been fed to you by the mainstream media and the governments around the world. Be assured, we are here to help. We are here to stand up against those who violate your rights as a living breathing human. Freedom of thought, speech, expression, beliefs...freedom to choose how you want to live your life.

Anonymous is not a group of hackers much like you have been led to believe. Although a collective who associate themselves as Anonymous are in fact #hacktivists, many of us are simple citizens of this world who will take to the streets in traditional displays of activism. However, the game has changed. Oppression and tyranny have become far too common in this world and we have risen to meet the occassion. Anonymous is everywhere. We are your neighbors, friends colleagues, relatives. We are your mailmen, barbers, store clerks and lawyers. In a world where corruption hides its' face around every corner, Anonymous is there to meet it with force.

reply to post by Axebo


ANYONE can hack someone and claim they are Anonymous. Dont believe every case to be the same people, carrying out the same agenda. You completely misunderstand Anonymous if thats what you think.

reply to post by Prozium


The Anon - kids are a diversion for the bigger things at the back?

Am i understanding you correctly?

Do they know that?

Do you not think somone at the back prob thinks the same about you?

If so.... are you willing to be a scape goat?......

Willing to sacrifice yourself on the cross of Anon?

There just questions ..... i don't need answers too.....

But maybe you should want them....

stay safe brother......

There are leets..... then theres LEETS

I wonder how many of the arrested will actually be convicted, as it has been said "A person is not an IP" there have been too many mistakes in identity because of that.

Like a man who has his door broken in, arrested for downloading child pornography, he has no idea about this. Its because the IP he was using, was used by someone else to download said stuff.

An IP is not a person, DDoS attacks should not carry a hefty prison sentence. Its just another law to pack the prison system full of innocent people who want change. Just like the pot smokers.

Originally posted by vkey08
Just a question to all those who agree with Anon/Luzsec.

How would you like it if it was your medical records they hacked and posted, or your banking info, or even your private documents. While the idea they are putting forth is good, the actions to the ends are not.

It is irresponsible for us a society to condone illegal actions just because the idea behind them is righteous.

You think it is irresponsible for a society to condone illegal actions even though the idea behind them is righteous. You're entitled to your opinion, but that comment brings the thought to my mind. Is condoning illegal actions based on righteousness better than turning a blind eye to the illegal actions where the idea behind them is greed, set forth by the corrupt governments that Anonymous is at war with? I definitely think so. Anonymous wouldn't even exist if the governments of this world were acting lawfully.

Theres not much anyone can do to Anon,thats what ive learnt anyways.

It doesnt matter what you think of them,they are doing what they are doing,simple.

You think it is irresponsible for a society to condone illegal actions even though the idea behind them is righteous. You're entitled to your opinion, but that comment brings the thought to my mind. Is condoning illegal actions based on righteousness better than turning a blind eye to the illegal actions where the idea behind them is greed, set forth by the corrupt governments that Anonymous is at war with? I definitely think so. Anonymous wouldn't even exist if the governments of this world were acting lawfully.

Thats a good point Annonymous1234,they arent carrying all this out for no reason,theres plenty of reasons.If our governments actually listened to the public and was trying to do the right thing and take us in the right direction,then there would be no reason for whats going on.

Originally posted by annonymous1234

Originally posted by vkey08
Just a question to all those who agree with Anon/Luzsec.

How would you like it if it was your medical records they hacked and posted, or your banking info, or even your private documents. While the idea they are putting forth is good, the actions to the ends are not.

It is irresponsible for us a society to condone illegal actions just because the idea behind them is righteous.

You think it is irresponsible for a society to condone illegal actions even though the idea behind them is righteous. You're entitled to your opinion, but that comment brings the thought to my mind. Is condoning illegal actions based on righteousness better than turning a blind eye to the illegal actions where the idea behind them is greed, set forth by the corrupt governments that Anonymous is at war with? I definitely think so. Anonymous wouldn't even exist if the governments of this world were acting lawfully.

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I agree. Its the gov's and corps own fault for bringing this down upon themselves. If anon didn't stand up, someone else would have anyways. And we'd still be in the same place.

And well, do you see them hacking for medical documents? and your private information? They've hacked corporate e-mails and military e-mails as well. Those are not private e-mails, those e-mails are read, and reread by the military themselves. Theres no private info in those e-mails, and if there is, its the persons fault for putting said private information into it, i believe there are rules about that in corporate and government.

Originally posted by vermonster
reply to post by Kemal

 

It's already censored to a certain degree mainly with the use of sock puppets and algorithms.


edit to add: It's so obvious if you observe the tactic TBTB are using.... Anonymous just like Al-Qaeda is a way to generalize ANYONE into a group who does not agree with the current way our society is structured

For all I know, you Kemal are involved with Anonymous .....prove to me you are not.

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Isn't it amazing how the rest of the herd follows and believes the 'Anonymous' group?

I would assume that the smartest of the hacker would be scared sh*tless to post/send/expose military/government details and messages. To me it all seems to be a controlled activity by someone from within and someone with lot of time and money

Its funny watching this play out and the hatred of some for Anonymous.

These haters and their tactics are such a cliche. We've seen it represented in movies countless times because its such a inevitable dynamic as history shows.

There is the Tyrant.

There are the Oppressed People.

There arise Rebels, from among the people, who want freedom.

The Tyrant Punishes the Oppressed people for the resistance of the Rebels.

The Oppressed People then split into two basic types:

1) The Self-serving Cowards who whine and moan and blame the Rebels for the increased oppression (either actual or threatened) of the Tyrant. They condemn the rebels, call for their arrest, try to turn them in and generally malign them.

2) Those who understand and support the Rebels, even if covertly, because they know the Rebels are fighting for them and their freedom and because they know this fight is inevitable and inescapable and they want to be on the side of right.

Its an ancient dynamic and its playing out again here. Have fun identifying the characters.

I would just like to point out that, per Prozium's description (thank you btw), Anonymous acts and proceeds in a similar fashion as the very enemy they claim to fight.

Sheep at the front, masters hiding behind, out of harms way.

Not overly reassuring, but make what you will of it.

I've finished my moderately-in-depth review of the document and came up with about 85% confidence that it's legit. The reason it's 85% is as follows:

1) While the overall classifications are in the proper places (top and bottom of every page), there is the glaring omission of portion markings; classifications in front of every paragraph designed to show what the classification of the paragraph is (the overall classification is the highest classification of any information in the paper). Contrary to popular belief, Restricted is not the lowest classification, there is also Unclassified For Official Use Only, and Unclassified (normally only used for publicly acquired research info). This paper should have those Portion Markings, but does not.

2) Inconsistencies in the use of acronyms. In official documents, the first use of an acronym is written out in full, then followed by the acronym, to avoid confusion. For instance, " The Ministry of Defense (MOD) has indicated that Blue Area of Operations (B-AOO) is the MOD's top priority..."

There were only two points in the paper that followed this convention, both in annexes. While the acronyms used were correct, they used them without explanation. Of course, there's always the probability that this was written by an Officer (it was signed by one at least), instead of an Enlisted individual, which would explain some of the inattention to detail.


As for the content, on the face, it's a pretty dry report on outsourcing some face of operations in the Balkans. That face, however, is Counter-Intelligence operations. If this is legit, it's showing something fairly problematic; namely the lack of manpower and equipment for CI operations. That's not really problematic for the Operators (no one was identified or even hinted at, this was an "overall view" document), but rather for contracting. Knowing just how in the hole the manpower is, means they can ask for more, knowing how much it is needed.

Luckily this paper is about three years old now, so it's safe to assume the "fixes" outlined in the paper have been implemented. Still, if a paper from three years ago was grabbed, a paper from three weeks ago could have been as well.

english.aljazeera.net...

The attack comes days after Norwegian prosecutors filed a terrorism charge against Mullah Krekar, founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam, who is accused of threatening a former minister, Erna Solberg, with death.

"Norway will pay a heavy price for my death," he said. "If, for example, Erna Solberg deports me and I die as a result, she will suffer the same fate."

It is not clear whether Friday's attack is related to the threat.

Norway has also previosuly received threats from al-Qaeda over its involvement in combat operations in Afghanistan.