Do you think the UN-led forces should have went into Badgdad in 1991 to ouster Saddam instead of 200

Originally posted by Magnum007
Let the people of Kuwait deal with the problems of Kuwait. Let the people of the US deal with the problems of the US. Look at the US and how they are struggling to remain a superpower because of what? Because of debt... Where was the debt money wasted? Hmmm Minding their own business? Nope! Waging war that they shouldn't have...

As far as the invasion that I used as an EXAMPLE ... This is an almost exact carbon copy of what happened in Iraq...

Fighting for freedom should come from within the country... Let the others fight their own battles...

Magnum

edit on 11/7/21 by Magnum007 because: (no reason given)

Why don't you talk to the people of Kuwait and see if you think the US should not help them. A lot of them i talked to are grateful for the US for help. How would you feel if you were in their position if your army got overrun by the Iraqi Army, then who do you call?

reply to post by Paulioetc15


I would pick up arms and fight for my people... My place, my problem... Who would you be to pick sides? How would you know who is right and who is wrong?

Originally posted by Magnum007
reply to post by Paulioetc15

 

I would pick up arms and fight for my people... My place, my problem... Who would you be to pick sides? How would you know who is right and who is wrong?

And people of Kuwait in fact are useless to stand up against the Iraqi occupations. Maybe have a chat with the Kuwaitis who lived under their rule and get the answer there. It will be a good start.

reply to post by Paulioetc15


Well then if they are too soft boned and have no spine too bad for them...

And I won't ask them what they want because what the Kuwaiti people want they are the only ones who should strive to get it; none of my business.

Yes..I feel the UN should have been the one who went to war.

I want the bees nest of the USA's back.

Originally posted by Magnum007

The US should have minded their own business and let the people take care of themselves...

You know, most of what you've said so far is unmitigated tripe and marxist-sounding jingoism, but this one thing I can agree with. The US ought to close their borders, lock the gates, and turn out the lights. Pull ALL of our troops and ALL of our money out from under the rest of the planet, and tell 'em it's time to grow up and fend for themselves.

Got a problem being invaded by some dictatorial types? Deal with it. Don't call us. Dictatorial types that want to take over other folks? Go for it, but don't call us to either help or hinder. Fortify our borders, restrict foreign trade, and let the rest of the planet handle their own messes.

yeah, that's an idea whose time has come!

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Isint this what sweeden is doing?
They don't seem to be having any issues.

reply to post by Paulioetc15


I think that if one is going to go to all the trouble of getting into a war, he ought to do it like he means it. All or none. Don't march half way to Baghdad, then suddenly get cold feet and back out. I think that if we stepped one foot over the border - which we did, and then some - then there's no point in stopping until you've gotten through the capitol and dealt with the problem that brought you there in the first place.

Otherwise, just stay home and go fishing.

UN don't like it? Fine. They can stay home and not get into the mess to begin with. It's not like they make law - contrary to what some seem to think. UN has a problem they need help with? Handle it. Don't bother us about it, we're fishing. UN needs more money? Apply to the IMF yourselves - don't come bothering us, hat in hand. It might disturb the fish, and ruin the fishing.

The thing is, if you're going to places where people will shoot at you, do it like you mean it, and resolve the problem right then.. Otherwise, there are better things to be doing... like fishing.

Originally posted by SurrealEzen
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Isint this what sweeden is doing?
They don't seem to be having any issues.

Sweden? Are they even still around? Somebody poke them and wake them up - it's time to gather some more firewood, and it's their turn!

Seriously, I have no idea what Sweden is doing, so they must be doing it right, just like I suggested for the US. Honestly, I didn't realize that they had enough of anything to begin with to even start handing it out, much less withhold it from the begging masses. They're just hiding it pretty well, I guess, which is precisely the way to go!

Originally posted by Paulioetc15

And people of Kuwait in fact are useless to stand up against the Iraqi occupations. Maybe have a chat with the Kuwaitis who lived under their rule and get the answer there. It will be a good start.

I'm very well acquainted with a guy who was on a surveillance team that was infiltrated into Kuwait in '91, to keep an eye on what the Iraqis were up to while the rest of the troops got in position to push 'em out of Kuwait. I can't really go into detail on what they observed, but it was pretty bad. It was so bad, in fact that one of those guys lost himself and nearly compromised the mission in order to take some direct action. He had to be restrained by the other guys, and hustled away before he gave 'em all up by lighting up some folks.

I have NO doubts that the Kuwaitis were damned glad the US ran Saddam and Company out of their little corner of the middle east.

NONE. ZERO.

Now, the fact remains, though, that if we crossed the border into Iraq, then we ought not to have stopped at all until WE were happy, and the problem had been dealt with, in a most final manner. Otherwise, we should have stopped at the Kuwait and Saudi borders, and just secured them after liberating Kuwait, and stayed no longer than it took to teach the Kuwaitis how to use a couple dozen high yield, short range missiles turn Baghdad and environs into a thermic mist if Saddam ventured forth into their territory again.

Sure, Kuwait had nowhere near the strength to defend against Iraq conventionally. However, the capability to melt buildings, along with a stern warning of just how willing you are to melt said buildings, will often stop folks dead in their tracks...