History’s lost lesson: Ancient nuclear war among Indus Valley civilizations reexamined

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but this definitely needs mentioning...The site claimed to harbor radiation in India was the same area that the Indian military used for nuclear testing. So how is it that that would be confused with an ancient atomic explosion?

If you would like to read more, just Google "Smiling Buddha," which was the name of the atomic bomb that was detonated underground at the site in question.

To me, there is no mystery here, and if I took the time I am sure I could find other discrepancies in this story. It should also be noted that the first place I look for any source is by doing a Google search with the keywords plus ext:.edu.

reply to post by TheEyeofTruth


right on !!!!

and to the naysayers, if you go by exactly what mainstream history and archeology tell you, then yes, we are way off base with this theory.

However, we know that they teach us "their" version of things...which many times are not the truth.

History is written to suit the needs of the powerful.

the actual events are unknown and would be a huge bombshell if released to the public, as we would no longer be content being slaves

Originally posted by DragonRain311 I thoroughly believe that every several thousand years we reach a pinnacle in technology then our avarice destroys us all.

Several thousands??
That's it?



It would have to be way more than that friend LOL

reply to post by trailertrash


i have said this several timed in this thread, that disclosing that we were once (or many times) very advanced would destroy all social mores more than alien disclosure would.

mo·res
   [mawr-eyz, -eez, mohr-] Show IPA
–plural noun Sociology .
folkways of central importance accepted without question and embodying the fundamental moral views of a group.

reply to post by Hopeforeveryone


Thats exactly what they want you to think



(and it's much less fun to discuss that)

reply to post by Gorman91


Sorry but we are way older than 50,000 years

"More than 2,600 sharp-edged flakes, flake fragments, and cores (cobbles from which flakes have been removed), found in the fine-grained sediments of a dry riverbed in the Afar region of Ethiopia, have been dated to between 2.52 and 2.60 million years ago, pushing back by more than 150,000 years the known date at which humans were making stone tools.

Excavated between 1992 and 1994 by Rutgers University paleoanthropologists Sileshi Semaw and John W.K. Harris at three sites along the Gona River, the artifacts are similar in type to the 1.8-million-year-old tools found by Mary Leakey at Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, in the 1960s. Known as Oldowan, the tool type has been found at other East African sites: Omo in southern Ethiopia, Lokalalei in northern Kenya, and Hadar, five miles east of the Gona River study area. Until now the oldest known examples were dated to 2.3 to 2.4 million years ago. "

And this is what "they" are telling us.


who knows.....

www.archaeology.org...

reply to post by BadBoYeed

How long would it take for a city say... the size of New York to dissolve to the point that future archaeologists would not be able to find remnants of it? To rediscover aspects of its tech? Not to say that your idea is wrong...not at all but, let us factor in how long it would take for evidence of past civilization tech to go away.
Because, if you suggest ancient humans committed such atrocities where is the evidence of said civilizations achievements?
The planet doesn't swallow everything quickly.

reply to post by BadBoYeed


You assume humans were the first to make tools. For as long as we've been out of the trees, we've been making tools. Tool use predates anatomically modern man.

Some of the text in Old Vedic texts are so profound,

The Mahabhartha text clearly depicts a war of epic proportion. Most people know only about Vimana's and stuff, but the text clearly talks about remote viewing of the the great battle etc. I will do some more research on the subject and post it later. Also, I have another whole theory about India-Russia relations and how russia mastered most of the technology described in ancient indian texts like remote viewing.

Here is the one section from Veda which talks about creation of the universe.

"Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat

......

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
1
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

sanskritdocuments.org...

Originally posted by piotrburz
Lamination is nothing new,in contrary it was discovered 8000 years ago.

edit on 21-7-2011 by piotrburz because: (no reason given)

any indication of recites on this?

reply to post by BadBoYeed

i have said this several timed in this thread, that disclosing that we were once (or many times) very advanced would destroy all social mores more than alien disclosure would.

I'm not saying you are wrong but could you please explain why?

If humans have achieved 'advanced' levels once (or many times) in the past it would certainly require a serious re-assessment of the current accepted timelines and quite a few scientific theories etc and would be a devestating blow to academia and all those with their vested interests, but alien disclosure would require a complete re-assessment and evaluation of who we are as a species and our relevance etc - it would affect our very essence.

However, I suspect both would have a devestating effect and despite there being a more than reasonable chance that both are true neither are likely to occur in the near future.

reply to post by BadBoYeed


who's they?

(FailIble) If we were the same technologically back then to now, a nuclear war would be more like fallout the game compared to getting thrusted back into cave man era.
Come on the level of security the goverment has just in case this happens,just search ATS!

Call me silly if you may but there are times I truly wonder whether or not we are just making the exact same mistakes as human beings in our choices and our apparent inability to leave radioactive material alone.

S and F to you sir.



Hey that's definately NOT silly. I can tell you that there is a staggering amount of evidence to suggest we have had unimaginably destructive wars in our ancient past. And yes I have come to the conclusion that we (mankind) have been here (at this or greater technological advancement) many times before and we have either destroyed ourselves and/or nature has obliterated these civilisations. In India & China (Gobi desert) are remains of cities and towns that have been destroyed by nukes sometime in our ancient past. India was the centre of the Rama empire and I think, from my research, the Rama empire existed around the same time as Atlantis....and much more to this,,,,,

Hey that's definately NOT silly. I can tell you that there is a staggering amount of evidence to suggest we have had unimaginably destructive wars in our ancient past.

If possible, to assist , can you please provide a link or a reference to your claim.

That would help a lot.
otherwise it is not evidence.

That would help a lot.
otherwise it is not evidence.




Lots of references but if you are really interested you may want to read books by the following researchers:

Michael Cremo
David Hatcher Childress
Douglas Kenyon
Richard Thompson

Just to name a few.....

There are plenty of youtubes and other internet references but I look for evidence that has been thorougly researched and well documented. Maybe I'm old fashioned but you just can't beat a real book! If you search on youtube for any of these topics I'm sure you'll get a good sample of what is out there.

Cheers mate

Hi guys,

I am so sorry that I must post on my new account. Microsoft kind of banned my hotmail.com and I forgot my password since it is quite some time since I entered it last time - Well stuff happens and it isn´t that important.

Since I read everything so far with a smile, nearly crying at times, I am so sorry to inform you all, but there has never been a nuclear war. - Also, since nuclear technique is so outdated these days, there never will be a nuclear war.

This is just my oppinion, but you will all see that I am problery right about this.

Also, if there actually has been something radioactive in the past, it can be everything from a god damn meteor to a natural disaster. The earth can sometimes get radioactive inside.

Still this is a good laff and I will encourage you all to continue talking about nuclear wars from the past. I simply just can´t stop reading about it.

//Wrathier

I believe our near history is biased by the adage, "history is written by the winners" and ancient history is badly biased by our own arrogance and presupposition. Science has the same problem, though it may self-correct eventually.

The biggest assumption is that things are as they always have been. Uniformatism is a myth. Is the speed of light constant? Scientists say yes, but they've only been measuring it for a few hundred years. Geologic and atmospheric catastrophes have rocked this world (and may, indeed, swallow up civilizations whole).

When we read ancient documents, we layer on our mistaken belief that they must have been primitives. Yet it is entirely possible that their technology followed a different path than ours. Would we recognize tech that resulted from unraveled magnetism or plasma theory rather than our own electrical theory? Or if the universe was formed by plasma dynamics and not gravity dynamics, the ancient world might be totally different than we believe.

Many ancient documents state that men lived for hundreds of years. I see the ancient artifacts that look like planes and give rise to alien intervention. Well, imagine if an Einstein lives 500 years in good mental health. Heck even regular schlubs who lived that long would accomplish amazing things.

Is it possible ancient civilizations had advanced technology? Heck yeah! Lack of evidence does not prove a thing doesn't exist. If time travel were possible, we would be shocked at what the past looked like and achieved.

Very interesting,thanks OP.

I think theres a good chance that civilizations have been destroyed from nuclear war before on Earth,not exactly sure though.

I am so sorry to inform you all, but there has never been a nuclear war. - Also, since nuclear technique is so outdated these days, there never will be a nuclear war.

You might be right Hilltaker,maybe there has never been a nuclear war,but there may have been.

Cheers

reply to post by Sagittarian69


I wouldn't be so sure, look how quickly uninhabited places start to go wild. How many of the hills and mountains that you see regularly are burying something? Water also has quite a devastating, cleansing effect, and there was apparently a global flood that ended our previous advanced civilisation. It is said in those days, the earth was full of violence. So maybe a flood did occur, to cleanse the earth of the radiation which was a result of this violence. Who knows, I was not there. All we can do is speculate.