What are the chances of so many coincidences in Deep Impact?

reply to post by MamaJ


Just because a theory is old, does not mean it is less credible, cell theory was discovered in the 1600s, for example, we still use it today.

If all of the planets aligned perfectly then their gravitational effect on the earth would be far greater than that which the moon exerts on the earth. If you do the calculations you can see that

The fact that all of us are connected on a conscious level

Well, that's debatable

especially after the Japan Earthquake.

Which was caused by plate tectonics, no planetary alignment

reply to post by Griffo


Plate tectonics is about to be the thing of the past just as the Big Bang. Sorry....but its true.

I am not saying older theories may be too old to be used ...but when things do not add up with an older theory and it does with a newer....well....you don't continue to beat a dead horse.

Some Planetary alignments do cause the Earth to shake.....its proven by not me but professionals in said field.

This thread is not about whether you agree with me or not...but about Deep Impact and coincidences. Sticking with that theme.... I also think that our consciousnesses plays a role as well.....this too is a newer theory that is also proven.

reply to post by Gorman91

You are right on timing, but this was a different time. the 90s up to 9/11 were focused on the economy. WTC was Americas representation of economic monoliths. That's why the towers look like that. They are unmovable rocks marking economic superiority. That's why they were targets. Bringing them down marked the end of that monolithic presence. That's why the show would target them in an economic conscious society. Hey, btw, now that we live in a far more political society, DC getting blown up is very popular. Video games like Fallout and tv shows like Jericho all dealing with DC and political capitals getting blown up. It's coincidence because it's what the society focuses on.

Ok fine and to a certain extent I agree. But, to quote the title, What are the chances? How many times has DC or other capitals actually gotten blown up since appearing in these games/shows? Was DC actually blown up with a nuke 6 months after Jericho came out? It's not the fact that it makes sense from a standpoint of zeitgeist (which is where I agree with you) but the fact that it actually happened.

And again, you are thinking in terms of real life with your reasoning of why the WTC. If that were such a popular theme at that time, how many other shows can you name prior to 9/11 that used WTC as targets, much less by flying a plane into them? I wish I knew of a way to do a statistical analysis because really, what are the chances? 10 to 1? 100 to 1? 1,000,000 to 1?

Originally posted by LightAssassin
Opening scene to TV that the presenter states "Call for troops to come home from abroad" Coincidence

Then he talks about "Troops returning home from duty in Japan" Coincidence???

Just reposting these coincidences I found last night. Not sure if people who care about this thread had seen them.

reply to post by coyotepoet


Actually I would imagine quite low chances. These events do not usually make statistical sense. However, There are a few moments in history where events happened as predicted. Maybe not so much 6 months before, but there's a good number.

A couple off the top of my head:


Command and Conquer:Generals: Released mere months prior to the start of the Iraq War, predicted the next 8 years almost flawlessly, and continues to be correct.

Tom Clancy has consistantly predicted world events a few months or years before they occur in his works.

HG Wells: First sub called Nautilus, nuclear war, "spinning disks" for computer systems.

Fallout Series: Flawlessly predicted that post-cold war America would become more interested in abusing and experimenting on its own people than the rest of the world. Among other things, the cancellation of the shuttle program, Increased tensions with China, and China being the main antagonist of America for the foreseeable future. Corporations controlling the government and experimenting on the population through products. Etc etc.


I mean I'm sure if I researched it I'd find more. Point is even though it's not usually statistically likely, it has happened. Don't discount the human brain.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I am merely trying to provide examples it happened before.

reply to post by Gorman91

Point is even though it's not usually statistically likely, it has happened. Don't discount the human brain. I'm not saying you're wrong. I am merely trying to provide examples it happened before.

And that's what I find interesting about the phenomenon, including the Deep Impact coincidences. Those are good examples and I'm sure there are others as well. However, what examples are the creator/writer/artist

*correctly reading the zeitgeist?
*tapping into the collective unconscious/consciousness?
*being fed story ideas from someone in the know without knowing anything else about it as a vehicle for predictive programming?
*being in the position to be privy to secret information (it's been speculated that Orwell, Wells, and Huxley were "in the know")
*just getting lucky with coincidence?

I think that the answer is all of them, depending on the creation that is being discussed. I think it's a mistake to say that they are all just lucky coincidences. Likewise I think it's a mistake to say that they are all intentional predictive programming of one form or another. The question then becomes which is which, especially when talking about things like the Gunmen WTC clip or Deep Impact.

reply to post by coyotepoet


hmm. Well I mean I know from my own experience I've been quite accurate of knowing what's happening and what's going to happen. Like you said, I think its partially from all of it. Way way way back in 2004 or 2005 or so I started having really great dreams when I experimented with meditation and that stuff. I vividly remembered seeing a good number of Continental unions propping up, wars, unions, etc etc. Low and behold since then the African and South American Unions both came into being, and a few smaller ones. In the process of reading history, having these dreams, and just playing mental games and social experiments, I decided to make a very low quality youtube video on WW3. I took it down eventually because I didn't like the constant messaging when it was popular. God 800,000 hits, and the more the timeline matched reality, the more people PM'd me about how I could have known. I just considered myself very good at these things because I knew history and culture.

I haven't had such dreams nor played such mind games in a long time. It's sad I guess. It's like, you train your mind to reach such awesome levels of prediction, creation, and analysis, then go back to having a life and loose it all because your brain simply forgets how it did it. idk, maybe when I have time I'll try it again.

These days the images and timelines I saw in those days have pasted together and become an actual timeline, with a world union, space planes, China as a Christian republic after its government collapsed, America as a national socialist republic run by the military after a violent civil war exterminated millions. Just letting you know if it ever comes true. lol.

I mean I wouldn't doubt some of my family is "in the know, nor would I doubt I've been influence by such people. I don't entirely doubt the mind's ability to reach higher consciousness levels and put together things subconsciously, etc etc, stuff you mentioned.

It's all a mystery I suppose. We'll know when we get there.

Originally posted by MainLineThis
Reply to post by Signals

 

Well....obviously I don't sign on to your stretch of the imagination....but...since your inclined to ignore reality in favor of something less mundane how about this: you sign over all your worldly possessions to me after the date you think the world ends due to your overactive imagination. Not that I need your 10 year old tube tv and your house on wheels (if your station is higher in life I would be very surprised).....come on, put your money where your ignorance is. I promise to give you everything I own after your days prediction is the world does end....lol.

 

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Congratulations, that is one of the most hateful posts ever in any of my threads....



Where in this thread have I predicted the world would end?

reply to post by Gorman91

These days the images and timelines I saw in those days have pasted together and become an actual timeline, with a world union, space planes, China as a Christian republic after its government collapsed, America as a national socialist republic run by the military after a violent civil war exterminated millions. Just letting you know if it ever comes true. lol.

Oh...I hope not as much as I hope the movie is just coincidence. But, wait, isn't America already a national socialist republic?

reply to post by coyotepoet


Hahaha. Nay sir, for the phrase national socialist implies two things. A, that the government is socialist and supports its people, and B, that the government is nationalistic and looks out for the american interest.

More Appropriated, America today is a Corporate Socialist Monetary-Democracy.

* anybody notice how cable tv is showing this movie more and more lately?

LOL!!!! i just noticed that. You know what else is on TV lately? Shawshank redemption. Someone must be about to break out of jail..

Jaws has been on a lot. I would advise anyone in any coastal region to watch out for great whit sharks. Also, Rambo is on a lot, everyone watch out for transients who hide in caves.

reply to post by MamaJ

Plate tectonics is about to be the thing of the past just as the Big Bang. Sorry....but its true.

I haven't seen any evidence to disprove the theory of plate tectonics. There would need to be a monumental amount of evidence before that theory goes out the window.

Until you, or any other person has a more valid explanation regarding the beginning of the universe, the big bang is as good a theory as we are going to have. It may not be complete, but it's the best we currently have.

Yeah, I agree that it's getting a little off topic.

With regards to the OP, I think it's easy to correlate an old film with something that is happening today. There are bound to be other things in that film that have the potential to be related to things happening today, but don't quite match. I don't know if I've explained that well enough?

reply to post by Griffo


The elders just wont let go of some older theories and the younger ones coming in with brilliant minds and fresh theories are mocked and shunned.....it should be no surprise the field has major politics as with any other organization. The link I provided you to the 170 page newsletter is of importance in regards to this conversation...and you can also view a small introductory of it here....

www.ncgt.org...

Ok....sorry...back on topic.

Coincidence is a word that can also be translated as intuition. Because we ARE spirit beings and consciousness has been proven to be powerful, especially the collective aspect...we should not discount everything before we intuitively feel whether it makes sense to us or not.

I agree we cannot take Deep Impact and say these people knew whats up and this will be a real scenario.

We don't know a lot about the mind/consciousness except that it is indeed powerful in a way we do not understand.

If the mind can conceive it.....it can happen.

reply to post by Signals


No, I am not a doctor. And I am not trying to diagnose you. I merely stated my opinion and observations of your threads which I only know because I recognize your avatar. You seem to have a mental condition of extreme paranoia.

Originally posted by mnmcandiez
reply to post by Signals

 

No, I am not a doctor. And I am not trying to diagnose you. I merely stated my opinion and observations of your threads which I only know because I recognize your avatar. You seem to have a mental condition of extreme paranoia.

Again, you have no right to diagnose any "condition" you assume I must have.

Please focus on the thread and the OP, nobody is asking for your opinion on my mental state, and it's off topic too.

There is no doubt in my mind, if you take any disaster movie that was made in the last 10 years, and give it to the ATS members, they could dig up all SORTS of coincidences that seem to point to a definite tragic event in our near future.

Just like people find faces in rocks.. they also find ideas and symbolism in movies that really don't mean a thing.

I heard a wonderful quote from Richard C Hoagland about all this speculation about Elenin. He is calling it "fear porn".

science.nasa.gov...

And....whad'ya think of this NASA site? (2005)

reply to post by DarkSarcasm


I have believed something very similar for a very long time, my introduction to this way of thinking came about through reading the work of carlos casteneda, for me very much an experiential guide and a great tool for those who have the mind to reach into it.

The tonal (everything you could ever know) and the Nagual (everything you could never know) are very definite physical mental boundaries.

Not just a "literary boundary", but a physical and actual reality in the mind, The power of the Nagual can be facilitated but it is through "Otherwordly" archetypes which are more fleeting feelings of things too ethereal to ever get a grasp of, just a sense of knowing that you had contact with something so incredibly unknown draws a line across your psyche that is a constant reminder of why it is the Nagual, this is also the defining line of your higher etheric body, you could understand everything this side within you but the otherside like i say is the ungraspable void of unknowing.

In a meditation try and put yourself upon the dividing line.

Great power can be found at the boundary but it is some travelling to put yourself upon it.
I believe bad '___' experiences are triggered when people are confronted by this reality and do not live the proper mindstate to achieve mastery of this fear, (easier said than done) the full power of the Nagual can be extremely frightening and overwhelming.
It can however be approached and observed.

The sensitivity to begin to notice the deep ever so gentle almost imperceptible creator energy that flows through every single one of us can be found here.

This is what makes the mindful search for the Nagual intent so special, at the very edge you find the beggining.
Each one of us so easily overlooks what is right under your skin because you feel it all the time you loose sight of the many layers that are within you, channels if you like, some strong some subtle, learn to differentiate them and feel the tiniest flutterings of the butterfly amongst your torrents of energy, believe me it is there.
And yes most definitely it creates.
Intentionally put your mind to noticing it. How? Just KNOW YOU CAN INTEND it's discovery. I WILL it.
The tonal is everything YOU can ever know, trust me, there are many surprises in store, seek them.

Live like a warrior, all boundaries are to be breached without fear of the unknown without fear of harm.
Personal power live to "intent".
This is YOUR universe, bend it to YOUR will.

All the future is a dream:
The present is the woven fabric of crystalline dreamland magic.
Of this the moment is made.

The cabbala talks about crossing the void of the spheres, this is still a journey into the tonal, the crossing from one tonal place to another.
The Nagual is independent of the tonal and will exist without it, you dont have to know it exists for it to exist, does it know YOU exist?.
The Nagual is the repository of everything known by EVERYTHING unknown to man, a very powerful source of primal fear, this fear provides some of the finest energy, it has served mankind well thus far, why try to forget about it now?.

"LEONID ELENIN spelled backwards says Ninele(ven) 9-11 and DINOEL or DINO EL which means Dino Extinction Level. One hell of a coincidence"

I didnt make this up i found it on a website somewhere. Dont know if its true or not.