The Undebunkable Video: Eliminate The Impossible

Apart from the very real possibility that the towers had been rigged for demolition in some way, and that thermite has been demonstrated to be able to achieve a demolition.
Why was there so many other discrepancies simply not dealt with and left.

The actual collapse of both towers.
The removal of the steel..not treated as a crime scene, even fire chiefs commented on that.
No search for incendiary or bomb material.
The tampering of video that was held as evidence.
The Naudet tape that was viewable the next day.
The same Naudet tape also tampered with on sound and vision
Two explosions recorded at WTC1 strike, (only one, the planehit obviously, heard on the Naudet tape)
Witnessess who say there were two explosions at time of airstrike, other say multiple explosions.

Speculative;

Explosion heard in north tower at the time of WTC2 being hit..were some TV channels still being fed from WTC1, knocked out at that time, or had all WTC1's broadcasts ceased at the time WTC1 was hit?
The batteries above the 81st floor, fact or fiction? were they ever in use? their presence has seen possibilities for both those for and against the '9/11 truth'
Lastly, the part the media played, all the 'experts' assembled minutes after the hits, "I witnessed the buildings collapse due to the intensity of the fire" "Osama Bin Laden is a prime suspect" while the firemen were saying WTF. Did the media use CGI themselves for nothing but presentation purposes.
Why, if they had foreknowledge of the collapse of WTC7 did they not say their source proper in their reports, indeed BBC's Phillip Hayden famously dropped it 20 minutes early.....

reply to post by TupacShakur


Over the years more and more credible and respected scientist have 'turned' and became believers of what conspiracy theorist always claimed about 911. Oops...made a mistake there.... scientists do not belief, they know as fact....

Independent scientific reseachers have their research done on the specific events which lie in their field of expertise. These scientists are able, willing and ready to testify under oath before a judge and jury what their findings and conclusions are.

That is the phase we should be in right now...taking the gathered evidence to court. But before that a case should be prepared and made solid.

Those scientific researchers will not only take the responsibillity to use their knowledge for serving the victims and the families of those murdered that day, but will also serve the american people and the entire free world.

Putting it that way there should also be a group of people helping out who have studied the law. These people should also feel the responibillity that only their knowledge and effort can bring closure to this terrible crime. Like those scientists they should unite and come up with a plan to bring the ones responsible to justice. Only a collective effort from motivated proffesionals can cure this nationwide trauma. Relying on the government will get you no where...that should be clear and understood by everybody.....I hope.

I bet that the majority of the americans never wanted the wars after 911 and being considered the bully of the world. Such an effort as mentioned before will not go unnoticed in the world and will restore the good name and goodwill of the american people and as a nation.

PS For all courageous and ambitious lawyers at it...seeking potential suspects in high places.....? Go to the Bohemian Grove at this time of year, round everybody up and shake them down. You will be surprised how many other potential cases of fraud and murder you will find.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
I'll just come right out and say it: Hooper, I think you are a dis-info agent who comes here to muddy the waters of the truth movement. Same goes for GoodOlDave.

You said it. I add My own equivalent assessment.

They don't debunk. They misdirect, and have even been known to obliquely assassinate character. Just My humble impressions.

BTW... Great job on the OP. But of course, the "debunkers" won't address the physics. Or the evidence. (Some still cling to the pancake theory! [sigh])

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Why was there so many other discrepancies simply not dealt with and left.

The actual collapse of both towers.
The removal of the steel..not treated as a crime scene, even fire chiefs commented on that.
No search for incendiary or bomb material.
The tampering of video that was held as evidence.
The Naudet tape that was viewable the next day.
The same Naudet tape also tampered with on sound and vision
Two explosions recorded at WTC1 strike, (only one, the planehit obviously, heard on the Naudet tape)
Witnessess who say there were two explosions at time of airstrike, other say multiple explosions.

Agreed, smurfy - I definitely lean to the MIHOP opinion myself, although I allow there's POSSIBLY some way this isn't the case...I just can't see it.

Some of the other lingering questions I can't get over:
Why did Bush & co. effectively fight an official investigation for so long, and utterly under-fund it?
Why did a good number of the 9/11 commission members come out against the official story after the fact and state that those in the government & agencies official obstructed and misled them?
Why did Bush, Cheney, and likely some others present what a court would readily conclude is an appearance of guilt in, but not limited to, refusing to testify seperately and under oath?
How on earth did so much perfect (and silly) evidences of the 9/11 terrorists show up - reportedly unharmed passports (sometimes with duplicates?) at the base of the towers (etc.), luggage - which they wouldn't need for their flights - containing incriminating evidence very luckily not making the flights, and a profusion of other such 'lucky' coincidences?
Why did the supposed hijackers so often live very close to high-level intelligence institutions like Langley, and in some cases live with/otherwise associate with direct/indirect government employees - who were somehow inept enough to uncover the plot?
Why, if the Pentagon had as many cameras on it as it does, and as many tapes were seized more or less IMMEDIATELY after the attack, is the only footage ever released - what, 5 or 6 frames? - that doesn't really show much of ANYTHING? - - And why fight releasing it for so long? Just release any and all tapes showing the attack from multiple angles and put the conspiracy to rest already...
What's up with Norman Mineta's testimony - not addressed in the 9/11 commission report - about the exchange with Cheney in the Pentagon bunker? The Pentagon is supposedly one of the most heavily protected & defended buildings on the planet - and it couldn't shoot down the incoming plane, and we couldn't have any planes there to do the job? This sounds more like an order NOT to shoot down the plane, honestly:

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

I'm not trying to prove anything here, these are honest and sincere questions I have, and if the answers are out there and anyone can direct me to them, I'd appreciate it as I haven't had lucky finding them myself in the mountains of (usually contested) information out there.

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Well Done - Sooner or later the The Truth Will be Reveled, kind of like the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction.

There is a video of former President Bill Clinton answering questions at a Japan University - You might want to have a look at it and quote him on this thread - Search for it over in the UFO forum but his statement was sincere, relevant to this thread as well and he even made it with a Big Grin while shaking his head from side to side - Kind of like saying if you only knew.

Also if one were to research the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs, they will find other supporting evidence that this type of epic evident was already on the radar for consideration. I recently seen a documentary on this.

God Clearly States Man Can Not Conceive The Evil In The World

Bravo, bravo, op, now with this information that is at hand, can we now have a real inquiry into this atrosity that has set the stage for the third reich in America?

Again bravo op

Originally posted by SavedOne
I can only assume that people who make such comments have never been on the site of a building being demolished, because if they had they'd realize how patently absurd statements like this are. Demolition cannot be performed via radio signal because it's far too risky, instead every single charge must be physically wired separately to a single control panel. It requires literally miles of wiring and weeks of work to get it all installed. The idea that any of the WTC buildings could have been quietly rigged with a demolition system without any visible wiring and without anyone in the building noticing is completely ridiculous.

Yeah, no.. Wrong. People did notice. They used that explosive paint stuff. They could have painted the stuff on there and hadn't even KNOWN what they were painting. Reports of "construction work" prior to 9/11 are there, in this "work", there was painting being done among other things.

Sad people who believe there is no cover-up. Get real.

Excellent post OP. I've always believed that 9/11 was an inside job, even if they government didn't single handedly plan it. There are just too many holes and problems with the official story.

As for the people saying the U.S. couldn't keep it a secret all I have to say is, really? REALLY? Look at how many things the government has kept secret that we are only learning about decades later. The Greenbrier Hotel bunker comes to mind. They were able to build a bunker to survive a nuclear holocaust right under the public's nose and keep it completely secret for roughly 30 years. How many hundreds of people do you think were involved in its creation? It really isn't hard to keep secrets if you compartmentalize the info and/or don't tell the people what they are really doing (such as the possibility of nano thermite in the paint from the OP). No one knows anything more than they need to, and I get the feeling that is the way it's going to stay unfortunately.

here's a novel idea. truthers, lay out your official story so we can riducule it and rip it to pieces

explaining an event that previously seemed unthinkable is likely to have holes in it, as the hijakers intended on hiding their actions prior to take off, and all the investigators had to go with is the rubble

this does not mean aliens sent holograms from the dark side of the moon

our lovely, wonderful, protective, all-saint government wouldn't do this. Osama and his henchmen did it.

Our government couldn't pull off small scale false flags in the past, so they couldn't have done it...

/sarcasm

dumb arguments make me laugh. If the government couldn't pull off something as complicated as 9/11 NEITHER COULD "CAVE DWELLING" MILITANTS!!!

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Fact: You are assuming, based on YOUR opinion, that the stuff in the video seen dropping from the building is, in fact, molten. Please provide some evidence for this assumption.

Hooper, couldn't this be also said about the 'OS'? They have stated it's molten aluminium - did you question that with the same argument?

If the 'OS' can state it's molten aluminium then, surely, you should have replied to them and said that they didn't prove it was molten aluminium?

In other words, it cannot be proven 100% what the molten material was at this stage, so the most likely and reasonable explanation must be debated. Tupac has shown that it's extremely unlikely to be molten aluminium.

I believe due it's colour that it was not molten aluminium as shown by Tupac........

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Damn dude, this is the best thread I've seen in a long time...this is what got me interested in ATS to begin with

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Excellent work! Wow! S&F

In my opinion, the presence of molten metal, along with the speed of destruction of the Twin Towers, relative to the time for absolute free fall in nothing but air (just over 10 seconds) proves the case, hands down (it was a time difference of about three or four seconds from free fall). This is aside from a whole lot MORE evidence, every bit of which upholds the explosives hypothesis and completely and incontrovertibly DEBUNKS the "collapse" or "crush down crush up" hypothesis, a hypothesis (being hardly self evident, expect in the most simplistic manner ie: "planes hit, therefore the buildings collapsed") which, provided we do not BEGIN with that one and ONLY one ASSUMPTION (that the buildings simply "collapsed" ie: were crushed, from the top down) - cannot be maintained or sustained in the face of the truth and the reality of the occurance itself.

The official story as to the causal mechanism of the destruction of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center does not hold up to any amount of rational scrutiny and analysis, in hindsight. Your post clearly illustrates the historical absurdity of the officially sanctioned US Government authored (see Philip D. Zelikow and the 9/11 Commission Report for more) STORY or as Zelikow would call it, "narrative" or "myth" but without of course all the negative connotations implicit in the world "myth"..

Wake up people! Don't swallow the 9/11 lies, or the Big Lie, it's not worth it, being corrupted like that relative to either the historical record or our fellow man, like that guy I forget his name trapped in the North Tower, what was his name...

Forget his name, but I found the recording (listener discretion advised)

www.hark.com...

For you buddy, for you - you will not be forgotten.

Originally posted by kro32
You don't have to believe the official story but that doesn't mean it was staged by the U.S. government either. Perhaps they got their facts wrong about what happened when they investigated it.

I think i've shown why our government wouldn't attempt something as complicated as 9/11 and also how they wouldn't be able to pull it off if they did.

911 might be complicated for the common people but with the advanced technology that the US government has, nothing is too complicated for them.

how do they know that jet feul can only burn at 1800F have they poured on the ground and set it aflame i know the engin has a sprayer to only alittle of the feul excapes and is burned if they are testing the ass end of a jet then maybe their math is wrong

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So complex? It's not very complex at all considering the amount of play they got with it. 911 is mentioned almost everyday in the msm, you hear of bombings in afghanistan iraq and terrorist threats arould the world.

They've implemented so many security measures it is baffling. It is fear mongering at its best, meant to control the sheeple and make them bow to anything you say on the basis of "homeland security" or preventing the next terrorist attack. So considering the "pay out" they got from it, it wouldn't be so farfetched to pull something like 911 off. It was go big time for them, and that is exactly what they did. Now they don't even need another one to justify their BS stories.

If you look at the big picture as well, the perps have figured out that they can do absolety anything. The reason for this is because they can put anything on the news, and no matter what, the majority of people will believe what they are told. So they just come up with their own "conspiracy theories" to throw in the mix and now anyone who call the 'OS' absolute BS are crazy.

So 10 years later here we are. We have people who have logic against people clinging to the idea that their government just couldn't have a hand in anything like this. It is quite sad when you stand back and "look at the forest" (lol).

I know it sucks that we have tyranny and corruption on almost every level, and you thought this world was so much better. But governments have been doing this type of thing since the beginning of time. They don't care about you or your family (useless eaters they call us), they will kill you if it benefits them. They will also get away with it because they have the majority on their side. It is common sense among people who have actually taken time to do research and expiriments and have half of brain, that the 911 OS just doesn't add up.

Instead of just regurgitating stuff from whichever side you choose (they call that being left brained), why don't you sit back, pretend 911 just happened yesterday and start from square one. Forget either side of the story. Most of the foot work is done for you, the only problem is you have to weed out the crazy stories to get to the right one. And YES the 'OS' is one of those crazy ones once you weigh all the evidence.

A mind only works right if it's open. And once people get rid of their ego's and are able to accept that they've been lied to and have been wrong all along, the world will be a better place. But us as men tend to not like to admit that we were wrong. Don't get mad when wrong, embrace it because it only makes you smarter.

And yes I have been wrong a bunch of times and debunked myself if you're wondering. This post isn't directed just at you but people abroad who keep derailing threads and calling people crazy (indirectly) for believing a different story than you.

I know you might say you've done all your research, but based on the evidence you've provided with your posts I don't think you have. Not calling you crazy or dumb. People are influenced by other people around them. It would just suck to be that guy that questions 9/11 or any other story when his/her friends believe the OS, wouldn't it.

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That was an awesome video! Just by coincedence Tupac has exactly 911 posts right now!!! Its a conspiracy!

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I would like to point out ot the members of this website that hooper's posting has been limited to the 9/11 conspiracies forum, and he passionately defends the official story despite being pounded with evidence.

The same goes for GoodOlDave, another strong supported of the official story, both of them have been restricted to 9/11 threads in which they bash the truth movement. See for yourself, look at their posts in their profile, and scroll down the list of the most recent 800 posts. They are all related to 9/11.

I'll just come right out and say it: Hooper, I think you are a dis-info agent who comes here to muddy the waters of the truth movement. Same goes for GoodOlDave.

TrickOfTheShade is another strong official story believer, and just like GoodOlDave and hooper, his posts are restricted to the 9/11 thread.

I think we've found some dis-info agents people.

reply to post by kro32


They got to shock the whole world live by doing it the way they did. One plane to get the attension then the 2nd one for everyone to see and get angry sad and scared. Anything els the rest of us would of probably only heard sotries and reports and seen pictures of the dead under blankets. Not much els would have had the same world wide effect imo.

Nice work on the thread by the way OP. I think its good that people put this work in for others to see.

reply to post by kro32

this is what i think: there were a bunch of guys who were trained by the united states, fought proxy wars for the united states, then fought the soviet union in afganistan, as a proxy war with the united states, and won. then when they got dumped back into their miserable lives, after risking life and limb for the united states, (and with no wars to further distract themselves with) they got pissed off and decided it was all the fault of the united states. so they came up with a plan to strike back at the united states, by knocking down the world trade center. after many attempts, over the course of a decade, they succeeded. then the united states got pissed off and started kicking they asses. and finally killed OBL. but they must still be a little unsettled in what they did, because a bunch of idiots on ATS and other sites blame the united states for something they spent a whole decade training for. moral of the story? the united states can't win no matter what happens.