Alien Abduction Described in 500yr. Old Chinese Manuscript

reply to post by TinkererJim



the guy probably owed money to some ancient chinese logging company, the bills were piling up, and the imperial tax collectors were ready to repossess his hut. so he decided to lay low and concocted this story of alien abduction to explain his absence for the year he was gone.

people have been dodging bills since the history of time.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Good points.

I didn't do much research in evolution therefore I can't really expend or comment much on it but I remember reading somewhere that stars started forming about 200 to 500 million years after the big bang and along with that the conditions for life to evolve. That leaves more or less 13.2 billion years of evolution. Considering we've went that far in so little time, what if a race out there started billions of years ago. They for sure could be tooling around with nature and evolution.

Therefore whenever the ET encounter scenario occurs you can never presume that the ET being described is the creator, it could simply be bio-eng race.

I know I know, this is getting pretty far.. but still shows how we can't really apply evolution knowledge to that third eye.

reply to post by randomname


And his tale would be based on similarities to modern or historical tales?

That would mean that he couldn't really "create" this fiction, whether hes lying or not, he heard something somewhere regarding glowing wheels coming down of the sky with people in them.

Which goes even further to prove that he the phenomenon, real or not, was still present in theses ancient times.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

what a brainfart... you can see how 3 eyes would be symmetric, right? if you meant "even" numbers: last time i checked i had just one wiener. now how many eyes do spiders have? this all should make you think about the grounds of your skepticism.

edit: examples
Scallops have dozens of eyes.
Most spiders have six to eight eyes.
Insects tend to have more than two eyes.
Many reptiles have a pineal gland in the center of the skull that functions as a 3rd eye. It can detect some wavelengths of light and tells the brain to initiate hibernation.

There have been many ancient texts that mention extraterrestrials; one that comes to mind is the Mahabharata. It may not tell of them abducting anyone but it does help to confirm the theory that someone was visiting us in ancient times.

to those who wer translating do not disregard a text because it is not from the point of view of those who pipe up most of the history we all know to be true is not to an extent i cant tell you it would take to long but dont ever let who pips up let you distroy it that way would have both

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by TinkererJim

 

If they looked human its probably fake. Or they were simply adding memories to his mind. Because aliens won't be human nor human looking. In addition, scientists are pretty smart with what plants would look like under different stars. Unless the star was a different color than our own, the reddish hue makes absolutely no sense.

oh stop pretending.
"because aliens won't be human nor human looking"

Absolutely ridiculous statement.
No way you could know that..
and other peoples actual experiences say differently.
How silly of you.

Deny what?

reply to post by Ahmose


Oh and you missed the fact that, besides penguins, we are the only upright standing bipeds? And we're the only ones with intelligence.


In the great span of the universe, do you honestly expect all the things that made humans human to be repeated anywhere near our location, let along our time period?

Hell, out of the over 100 million species on this Earth, only us and our dozen so ancestors have ever had this form. No other species does with this level of intelligence, and no other animal with evolution that shows increased intelligence has ever begun to look like us.

Ah yes. The fact that the mob says so, means its true right? I mean, it's only chance that everything we ever look up to is in the form of human? That borderline every single god, goddess, or in between has always been in the form of man?

You know, historically, more intelligent people portray aliens, gods, and things they think of in less and less human form, and more and more abstract forms. Do you really find it credible that the unwashed masses always draw aliens like men but anyone with some biology or scientific knowledge, except for a small community of religious scientists, nearly never draw aliens human like?

Yes, deny what? Do tell. Do tell.

reply to post by Alkolyk


Sex appeal? Dont peacocks have them big feathers just for the purpose of looking attractive. Maybe its a defence, Like why some creatures have bright colours? Who knows. But I wouldn't say it wasn't posible.

reply to post by TinkererJim


Oh wow dude, yeah I see it I see it.

客星幻化 is the one.

Yeah, the original article you linked did not have this. It's because the dude who preserved the documents are in 3 books and probably over 200+ topics of description. And 客星幻化 was one of them.

Wow this is something else, as a Chinese I'm quite surprised that.. dude if this is true and his documents can be carbon 14'ed, then this is undeniably the first recorded/documented close encounter of the third/fourth kind.

This is truly amazing, I'm not going to jump the wagon yet because need more time to research the articles and see how valid/real this thing is in China. If it's indeed actual historical events, then wow... if this is only a folk lore, it is too complex and sophisticated for people of that era, 1580's.

This is the original text for that particular section within the 3 scrolls/books/documents presented:

嘉靖七年夏五月初三 (公元1528年)，有客星出，由东南飞向西北，明亮如巨 轮，时高时低，时行时停，见者上千人。次夜三更又出，由西北返，至点苍山绿桃村，降于村后。村后有一石匠和 庚打石于山脚，见亮光，出棚观之。有一物似碾而 大如屋，为五色光罩。中有二物，似人非人。捉庚入内，光明耀眼。取庚心出而观之，无痛而不流血。有言，声如 人而不通。至此不醒 ，幻化中似入仙境，非人间境。有日月星辰，仙境地色红而冷若冰冻，无房屋庄稼。人间似人非人，圆脸三眼，男 女老幼难分，穿非人衣，言非人言。才观，眼前迷糊，不知所以。醒时仍在打 石场，回家始知时隔一年余，家人以为被野物食。余知，亲往观之。观知庚胸腹均有一红色线痕，问之无疼。和庚 后五十三岁见余，貌如当年而不老。客星幻化，世多有说，大理国记事簿有载。不知客星何物？人乎仙乎？与其交 者难言祸福。

This is something else, I'll just put it this way, if these scrolls/documents can be verified as authentic and genuine, then what you have here is proof enough that there are Aliens visiting in the past.

What interested me was the fact that he was taken and gone for 1 year. His heart was removed and experimented while he is seeing it and he felt no pain.

Round face, 3 eye balls, can't differentiate between male/female old or young. Is not wearing "human clothing" and speaks but however not in human language... wow...

Another translation error is that he was not taken for 1 year, he was taken for longer than that. Basically, he got abducted and taken back when he was 53 years old. The funny thing is, his face did not age one day.

reply to post by Gorman91


if you flip a coin just once and it turns up head, what would be your bet if you'd be flipping the coin a second time? according to your logic you would pick tails. of course, like everything you say, your logic is flawed.

clearly, you have to extrapolate the only empirical result you've got. pick head. assume that extraterrestial lifeforms are likely going to be similar to what we know lifeforms to be. of course it's all speculation. maybe the coin will turn up tails and ETs look totally different. we have to guess, however the former is an educated guess while the later is not.

of course, if you think about ETs capable of building spaceships you have to consider various constraints - your likely going to end up with a humanoid variant. if not, you just haven't thought it through.

reply to post by CriticalCK


Well no. Because it's not a 50% chance. It's more like rolling a dice with over a trillion variables.

See what you are assuming is that It would need to reach human intelligence to get as far as humans have, or even a human form. Sorry to inform you of reality, but many animals continue to slowly show linear advancements and inventions, with a new toy they invent showing up every couple of centuries or so. If you think about it, a species that advances slower than man, and has less intelligence than man, bu can still produce culture and though, would in fact be more stable than man. Therefore it would get further than man. And because it evolved sooner, it would get there sooner.

In addition, let me ask you one thing about the human form when it comes to constraints. Why do we use animals to base our inventions off of? Why do operating robots like and behave like spiders? Why do car building robots look like just our arm.

Simple fact is this. The human form is good for spear hunting and running. Everything we started with in terms of inventions, like the spear and basic weapons and tools, could be accomplished by a crow, an octopus, a dolphin with hands, an elephant, or any number of species.

Se you're assuming that because we got here first, we must be the only way. But I've seen a crow use its beak and feet to make a spear in order to grab some grub in a tree. I've seen an elephant use its trunk as if it was as useful as a human hand. I've seen Octopus toy with tools and traps made by man with their 8 legs attached to a blob of a brain. Hell, I've even seen a tarantula learn how its cage works by watching its master, and using its 8 nimble claws to loosen the container and break free. Everything I've described here can be found on youtube. And everything I've described here proves you wrong because of two things. A: clearly it's not a flip of a coin. There are more variables than 2 options. And B, not everything that has intelligence on this world looks human even remotely.

So yes, you are correct. Either they evolved similar pathways we see on Earth and get similar results, or they don't and get drastically different results. But you're assuming that if they evolve down similar pathways on Earth that natural selection would choose man. Not so, for even on Earth a wide and diverse typology of bodies, claws, tentacles and else wise all support very sophisticated intelligence. I won't deny we were the first here, but there is no chance in hell this type was first on every single world that evolved similarly to ourselves. You see, these two options you listed are but two that go down an entire tree worth of optional, with each proceeding chance opening up unimaginable options each flip of the coin. 50% quickly becomes .0000000000....001%.


So yea. Pretty much, don't lie and pretend you think you know everything. I'm not claiming to, but more importantly, don't BS your side of the argument when reality itself proves you unimaginably wrong and ignorant of the truth.

Speaking of third eyes and red dwarfs, have any of you ever seen Alien Planet special that was on Discovery (I think)? Maybe these guys were from Aurelia.

Aurelia is a hypothetical planet that orbits a red dwarf star. Its orbit is gravitationally locked to the star, like the moon's is to Earth. The result is a day side of endless sunlight and verdant forests, and a night side of darkness and packed ice. On the day side, a constant stream of light feeds hearty palm-like flora, while solar flares of intense ultraviolet radiation send fauna scrambling for cover.

Some of the species on this hypothetical planet actually do have a third eye and they came up with a rather good explanation for what use a "third eye" could provide.

GULPHOG
Distinguishing Features: When inserted into the ground, this biped's blunt tusks pick up the minute vibrations of burrowing prey. A UV-detecting third "eye" on top of the gulphog's head serves as an early warning system, alerting it to seek shelter from solar flares.

reply to post by Charizard


I loved that show man. My only complaint was that the Creation-Biologist Simon Conway Morris was a heavy part of the design team and under his influence, most of the species looked Earthly. So it's a great look at alien worlds that would be like our own but different, however not a great example of the grand diversity of life out there.

Simon Conway Morris is one side of the coin, Darren Naish is another side. His work is quite experimental as well as traditional in terms of speculation. Darren is also more credible, just saying.

I mean I am religious and I certainly would like aliens to all look humanoid and give undeniable proof of a grand creator. It's just that the science don't back it up.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Charizard

 

I loved that show man. My only complaint was that the Creation-Biologist Simon Conway Morris was a heavy part of the design team and under his influence, most of the species looked Earthly. So it's a great look at alien worlds that would be like our own but different, however not a great example of the grand diversity of life out there.

Simon Conway Morris is one side of the coin, Darren Naish is another side. His work is quite experimental as well as traditional in terms of speculation. Darren is also more credible, just saying.

I mean I am religious and I certainly would like aliens to all look humanoid and give undeniable proof of a grand creator. It's just that the science don't back it up.

edit on 20-7-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

Yeah, I get what you're saying. It does seem astronomically impossible that another species would evolve a humanoid shape (you have no idea how much Star Trek grates on my nerves, even though they at least gave a partial explanation for that in an episode of TNG).

However, maybe the design is just intrinsic to natural design? I forgot what show it was that I was watching, but the host made some good points about potential design for an intelligent species and the humanoid body shape.

It makes sense to have the major sensory organs closest to the "brain" for the quickest processing of information. It also makes sense to have the 'eyes' up top for the greatest field of view. So, in turn, it would make sense for an intelligent species to have all of these organs together on a 'head' atop the 'body'.

You would also expect any species that is going to be capable of building starships to have some sort of appendage that will allow it to work with tools, and digits for precise manipulation.

And of course you could have aliens with eight arms and eight legs, but more limbs takes more energy and more brain power devoted to using such limbs, so less would probably be better and easier to work with.

It's really a fascinating thing to think about. We are often blinded by our own biased opinion of what life is and what life can be (like NASA's "follow the water" mantra. Who's to say water is necessary for ALL forms of life? I would bet that there could be some rather amazing forms of life on Titan), but we only have our own planet as an example. It's said that whales and dolphins are two of the most intelligent species on this planet. That may be true, but I doubt that a whale or dolphin could ever build and fly a space ship because they just don't have the body design for such tasks (An octopus? Maybe!).

reply to post by truthseeker84

Another translation error is that he was not taken for 1 year, he was taken for longer than that. Basically, he got abducted and taken back when he was 53 years old. The funny thing is, his face did not age one day.

The text says the stone smith has disappeared for slightly more than a year. The author saw him prior, and then met the stone smith again when he was 53 and noted that the he hasn't aged much all these years.

reply to post by Charizard


Oh absolutely. However I would make an analogy to my almost-profession: architecture. For ages after Rome fell, we simply assumed that they had the best architecture, the most efficient design, and the most awe to be gained from it. Ergo, pretty much every design from the year 400 AD through 1901 AD was based off cloning the Roman style. But then along came some people whom asked the question "ok, what can we remove from the Roman style that doesn't remove good architecture. And wahlaa, thus was born Modernism. Not that they were the first to ask the question, they were the first to ask the question and have the money, means, and credibility to support their hypothesis.

Now lets go back to biology. There's loads you can take off, combine, or change to the human form to get something more efficient. For example, your own statement on "head" and "body". We can, actually, go ahead and take the same description you took and apply it to, say, a spider. Have a look. What you described, can it not be applied to this species?

fc00.deviantart.net...

Do you see what you told me? Head on the highest point, eyes ontop of that, going all around to see all predators and prey. Two hands for using, along with 2 for anchoring and 4 for walking and support. It's all there, everything that makes the human function work. It's just not the human form. But, add two or three digits to its legs and some other changes and you have a spider form with the same function and efficiency as a man.

The old saying, form follows function, is true. But we should never forget that the same function at the same quality can be gained from different forms.


And of course my favorite example of this ideology is Half Life's Combine. Take a look. They've added technology to what they cannot do biologically, but heir one single apparatus for manipulating the world is perfectly feasible for getting there. Closer to some kind of elephant-whale, yet still just as able as man.





Basically, it can have human parts, but that doesn't mean it will look human. It all depends on what it evolves from.

reply to post by Gorman91


First off, I don't pretend to know everything, but I appreciate you get the feeling I do.

Obviously there is a misconception on your behalf of my "flip coin analogy". While there idealy is a 50/50-chance regarding the outcome of flipping a coin, I meant you to understand that in order to speculate in any sophisticated manner, you have to extrapolate. With this in mind you can, of course, still chose not to and imagine totally bizarre forms of ET lifeforms - "think outside of the box" so to say (which surely holds some entertaining value). ET lifeforms might indeed be very different from what we know lifeforms to be; who knows? However, you suggested the humanoid form to be extremely implausible (for people with scientific, non-religious background... this claim is complete bullocks and provoked me to reply in the first place). Obviously the humanoid form is not unlikely. If we had to guess we would guess that aliens are humanoid, simply because it's the only educated guess considering the absence of comparative data. At the same time we would not rule out the possibility of non-humanoid aliens, because there are no grounds to do this. That's pretty much everything I want to leave you with.

Next, you suggest that intelligence is not a necessary prerequisite for alien visitors (as long as there is a headstart allowing for slower progress). The maindriver of intelligence is the need for social interaction. At least that's what we observe on earth. I think it's safe to say, that building spaceships requires vast social interactions, which in turn requires intelligence. Also I think it's safe to say, that to build something sophisticated like a spaceship would require hands or something similar - tentacles maybe.

Regarding the remainder of your post, you got it all wrong. In fact I'm not even sure who you are arguing with - I didn't make any of these claims you argue against. I never claimed there to be only two options, I said nothing on that matter. I never suggested something with intelligence would turn out looking humanoid, heck for what it's worth something could look as humanoid as you and turn out to lack intelligence - maybe it would nonetheless argue with me.
I think you're confused about what to argue against, since you seem to argue against a totally ridiculous standpoint. Here it is again, easy and simple: visiting ETs are not unlikely to be humanoid since there are necessary prerequisites to the ability of building spaceships. contrary to your claim, scientists, if they had to choose, would guess visiting ETs to look humanoid. Of course they would not be happy to constrain themself to choose between humanoid or not considering the lack of data to extrapolate from.

Originally posted by Blinded
at the speed of light, there is no time. If you travel in space at the speed of light, you will not age on board.

reply to post by Kemal

 

Actually you've got that a bit wrong....Time is most relativistic near Lightspeed. That means that you would age normally on the the ship, as far as you could tell....but when compared to someone on Earth, they would age much faster. In other words you could live for ten years on a ship traveling a round trip from Earth and back...and considering the ship was traveling somewhere around the speed of light, you would have gained 10 years from your perspective, while from someone on Earth's perspective you would have been gone for decades (not sure the exact numbers here...It might be 100's of years instead just decades...but the basic Idea is correct).
The relative part of relativity means that time is relative to the observer. This effect is most pronounced when someone is traveling at light speed. In other words traveling at light speed would only make it seem as though you've not aged....the truth is that you would have indeed aged...but at a slower rate than those experiencing time on Earth.

nice post.three eyed alien