Alien Abduction Described in 500yr. Old Chinese Manuscript

Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

reply to post by Blinded


Kundalini(yoga) is very real. But it has nothing to do with a third eye. Because there is no proof of a third eye existence one cannot tap in to it. And even if one did there is no way of proving this crap. If it were true it would be extremely popular. Which it isn't. .

reply to post by TinkererJim


Sounds like just a story to me but nonetheless its an interesting find lol

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

Well not really useless if the third eye would for example be able to see a different spectrum of light .Not saying that this had to be the case , just putting out ideas

reply to post by SaturnFX


Good point... but...

One can only assume that the way life evolved on earth is not the standard for the way life might have evolved somewhere else in the universe based on a tons of different factors.

Similarity might be the norm but it doesn't mean we have to close our minds to the unusual.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

Remember, these were primitive people from China.

The "three eyes" description could easily have been due to 2 eyes plus some sort of head or helmet mounted device. Recall the lighted round mirror surgeons sometime wear, or the night vision device U.S. soldiers have mounted on their helmets.. Point is that the 3rd eye doesn't have to be literally a 3rd eye. It could be some other kind of device that was called an "eye" by a frightened primitive person.

There are aliens living between china and tibet, the Dropa believed to have crash landed here
long ago, also have a stature of no more than 4ft tall, and interestingly, pale blue iris'

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

Remember, these were primitive people from China.

The "three eyes" description could easily have been due to 2 eyes plus some sort of head or helmet mounted device. Recall the lighted round mirror surgeons sometime wear, or the night vision device U.S. soldiers have mounted on their helmets.. Point is that the 3rd eye doesn't have to be literally a 3rd eye. It could be some other kind of device that was called an "eye" by a frightened primitive person.

Thats actually a fair point...camera, light, etc...
I am wondering how a man 500 years ago would write about us if we teleported a spec ops person back there and he just glimpsed the full gear..
helmet with cameras and lights on it, rods that shot lightning and thunder, etc...reading an account literally would seem stupid, but taking it into perspective would make sense.

reply to post by Gorman91


Ok you base your "knowledge" on what this planet does specifically. This person says they were on another planet, far far away. Tell me, how can you make assumptions about what it would be like with very little evidence to support your theory?

In the end your just guessing, stop pretending like its deduction, fact is there are no facts to make deductions from clearly showing that you sir:
Fail at logic.

It is interesting these stories were written and seems to corroborate stories we hear today. It could be the first works of fiction or a recounting of stories told by their ancestors.

All these people who say "this is impossible due to nature" have only the slightest glimpse as to what nature really is. Everything else spewed out is a second hand retelling of a NASA Theory told as factual evidence.
It serves no good purpose to make assumptions based on very little facts, if any.

Everyday we learn something new about planets, life, the universe and NASA even admits we know very little and most is theoretical. So with that said, stop talking like you guys have been planet hopping for millennium. You sound very dumb and it's not making the conversation constructive, it serves the very opposite actually. This site is full of know-it-alls and the fact is, no one knows very much if anything about this that visits here, those who do can honestly say, it's mostly theory.

Originally posted by Alkolyk
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Good point... but...

One can only assume that the way life evolved on earth is not the standard for the way life might have evolved somewhere else in the universe based on a tons of different factors.

Similarity might be the norm but it doesn't mean we have to close our minds to the unusual.

Actually, although you have a point...sort of...that evolution elsewhere may be very different than here, there is also some standards
such as, all life, be it on earth, or in a different galaxy, will have ways to hunt and eat stuff...reproduce, etc...so you can start defining loosely some common traits.
the 2 eye verses 100 eyes discussion is one of those things...predatory eyes are two in front...enough for depth perception, enough to give the advantage, and not too much to weigh down the brain with processing redundant data (there is a reason insects aren't even remotely on top of the whole food chain...they are unable to process much more considering their brains are saturated with processing just the endless redundant data)
If there is different spectrum seeing, again, it would be 2 eyes (making 4) for depth perception...

But I think anyhow Cent makes the best point...may not have been an eye at all

Only problem with that is, surely there would have been remarked about how one eye was different than the other two..
meh, who knows

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Alkolyk
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Good point... but...

One can only assume that the way life evolved on earth is not the standard for the way life might have evolved somewhere else in the universe based on a tons of different factors.

Similarity might be the norm but it doesn't mean we have to close our minds to the unusual.

Actually, although you have a point...sort of...that evolution elsewhere may be very different than here, there is also some standards
such as, all life, be it on earth, or in a different galaxy, will have ways to hunt and eat stuff...reproduce, etc...so you can start defining loosely some common traits.
the 2 eye verses 100 eyes discussion is one of those things...predatory eyes are two in front...enough for depth perception, enough to give the advantage, and not too much to weigh down the brain with processing redundant data (there is a reason insects aren't even remotely on top of the whole food chain...they are unable to process much more considering their brains are saturated with processing just the endless redundant data)
If there is different spectrum seeing, again, it would be 2 eyes (making 4) for depth perception...

But I think anyhow Cent makes the best point...may not have been an eye at all

Only problem with that is, surely there would have been remarked about how one eye was different than the other two..
meh, who knows

What facts can you provide to prove that evolution is standard throughout the entirety of the universe? Not theories, facts.
I've researched and everything that speaks of this, including the big bang is theory based hypothesis which sometimes is proven wrong when a new variable is introduced.
How can you be sure there is not one variable out there that makes a 3rd eye useful?

I know I can honestly say that I am not sure if its possible or impossible but ill leave my mind open for now while learning more about this before making a hasty conclusion. As should everyone else.
Also your argument about insects and them being at the bottom of the food chain for the reason of having to process redundant data, your talking miniscule insects here. The brain of these aliens would be significantly larger then an insect, and it's only one extra eye. I doubt their would be much strain on such intelligence had it existed with a third eye so that argument, although it stands to reason, doesn't necessarily make perfect logical sense.

reply to post by EspyderMan

Tell me, how can you make assumptions about what it would be like with very little evidence to support your theory?

Good question. Well I guess we can throw those story out for portraying aliens as human. After all, if its so alien that our understanding is not possible, then the chances of something of our understanding, like mankind, is near null of evolving on such a world.

In the end your just guessing, stop pretending like its deduction, fact is there are no facts to make deductions from clearly showing that you sir: Fail at logic.

Well we only have about, oh, 8 or so planets and another 5 or so planitoids to look at with vastly different environments and appearances.... No, that's not logical at all to look at what's around you to make an educated guess for what's out there right?

It is interesting these stories were written and seems to corroborate stories we hear today. It could be the first works of fiction or a recounting of stories told by their ancestors.

Considering pretty much every God ever drawn has been in the image of man I would ponder a guess that its fiction.

All these people who say "this is impossible due to nature" have only the slightest glimpse as to what nature really is. Everything else spewed out is a second hand retelling of a NASA Theory told as factual evidence. It serves no good purpose to make assumptions based on very little facts, if any.

yes, genius. Absolutely true... So why believe the aliens look human?

Everyday we learn something new about planets, life, the universe and NASA even admits we know very little and most is theoretical. So with that said, stop talking like you guys have been planet hopping for millennium. You sound very dumb and it's not making the conversation constructive, it serves the very opposite actually. This site is full of know-it-alls and the fact is, no one knows very much if anything about this that visits here, those who do can honestly say, it's mostly theory.

All he more reason to treat this tale as a wild tale of fiction because we don't have any references to real, physical aliens. And until we do it's pure ignorance to assume it true.

Originally posted by EspyderMan
reply to post by Gorman91

 

..., fact is there are no facts to make deductions from clearly showing that you sir:
Fail at logic.
...
.....
stop talking like you guys have been planet hopping for millennium. You sound very dumb and it's not making the conversation constructive,

Just wondering
Why answer back to someones opinions in such clear disrespect?
I am the proverbial pot here calling the kettle black, I also have in the past answered back to people quite harshly and laced with insults and such...hopefully I do it much less now, but I imagine I do accidently let loose personal attacks still.

But, ya...consider what you wrote...fair points, but how you said it came across like a slap verses a constructive counter...I only see him responding to you not with addition to the comment, but either defense, or simply leave the discussion.
He posted some pretty interesting considerations for environmental growth...same as my post. its what we understand about nature in general...is it perfect? no...but its a starting point of understanding. You insulted someone personally because you disagree that the framework applies when considering different points of origin...not a respectful disagreement, but slamming the person behind the computer for even considering what we know so far.

I think if we are to forward a subject, personal attacking should take a backseat and simply adding on or pointing out logical fallacys in a discussion would be far more productive than attacking someone whom simply gave an educated guess and opinion, dont you think?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Biologically speaking, what would be the advantage of having 3 eyes
you need just 2 for depth perception, 3 is a odd number...would take more energy to accomplish nothing...evolution likes symmetry.

I am skeptical of the story, not because its aliens or whatnot, but because biologically it doesn't make sense...odd numbered things don't do too well in nature.

Remember, these were primitive people from China.

The "three eyes" description could easily have been due to 2 eyes plus some sort of head or helmet mounted device. Recall the lighted round mirror surgeons sometime wear, or the night vision device U.S. soldiers have mounted on their helmets.. Point is that the 3rd eye doesn't have to be literally a 3rd eye. It could be some other kind of device that was called an "eye" by a frightened primitive person.

Thats actually a fair point...camera, light, etc...
I am wondering how a man 500 years ago would write about us if we teleported a spec ops person back there and he just glimpsed the full gear..
helmet with cameras and lights on it, rods that shot lightning and thunder, etc...reading an account literally would seem stupid, but taking it into perspective would make sense.

Exactly.

To ancient humans light came from fire, and the only vehicles for travel were wagons and (more personal) chariots.

So you show a primitive man a glowing flying saucer carrying beings, and he's likely to call it ... a "fiery chariot" as described in the Bible.

Originally posted by EspyderMan

What facts can you provide to prove that evolution is standard throughout the entirety of the universe? Not theories, facts.

Evolution is simply evolution. species will adapt to their environments...or die out. pretty basic
in saying that, eyes are used to percieve a visual spectrum..one eye percieves light, motion, etc...two eyes give depth perception, focus, and as a side benefit, a backup in case one goes.
Anything over that becomes more processing than its worth for the brain and species with many eyes tend to hit an evolutionary stagnation.

I've researched and everything that speaks of this, including the big bang is theory based hypothesis which sometimes is proven wrong when a new variable is introduced.
How can you be sure there is not one variable out there that makes a 3rd eye useful?

Not sure how the big bang theory fits into evolutionary design favoritism.
I am not sure of anything, but it appears through the evidence presented that the subject being discussed (eyes) does fit a pattern of sets of 2 overall for all things except for insects (which I have a hypothesis that insects are actually just advanced plantlife...but still working on that)

I know I can honestly say that I am not sure if its possible or impossible but ill leave my mind open for now while learning more about this before making a hasty conclusion. As should everyone else.

All things are possible, I am going with probable though based on what we know..our frame of reference for life and advantages in general

Also your argument about insects and them being at the bottom of the food chain for the reason of having to process redundant data, your talking miniscule insects here. The brain of these aliens would be significantly larger then an insect, and it's only one extra eye.

the brain larger, sure, and the eyes in question
Its simply that it serves no purpose...it simply can't. 3 eyes won't give more depth perception, it won't make them better hunters, its just more information of the same..like having several television sets playing the same thing...pointless from our understanding...not to say there isn't some unique attribute to the eye, or that it developed naturally to begin with (as Cent said, it could simply be misidentification)..but going with it being a natural biological evolution, it makes little sense.

I doubt their would be much strain on such intelligence had it existed with a third eye so that argument, although it stands to reason, doesn't necessarily make perfect logical sense.

edit on 20-7-2011 by EspyderMan because: (no reason given)

Suprisingly enough, it actually does...the "but its just one extra" doesn't really matter...it is still taxing on the brain. it would serve no added bonus if such a mutation arose and would be ultimately breeded out. This is an assumption of course, but consider all life on earth, all the many different environments, from lush rainforests, to a half mile under the artic ocean..animals (except insects and some fish) have two eyes...either smacked on the side of them for 360 degree view, or in front for predatory purposes...there surely have been mutations throughout the long history, yet they don't stick because the most simple yet effective design tends to win out.

This is all just my opinion based on biological consistants.

Sorry to reign on your parade but a fluent Chinese speaker here.

I took the OP's original link, without Google translation and started to read it.

I found no passage where it mentions this translation, in fact it's so weird I wonder how the hell Google was able to translate something into this...

In any case, the story I read from the same link in Chinese:

Some guy lives in China, he is a weird and awkward man considered by his friends and family. He kept historical documents of his ancestors from the Ming Dynasty, in Dali province or whatever.

Anyway, the story was that he kept all these ancient scrolls that are like 400 something years old. They contained written records of Dali's politics, medicine, culture blah blah blah what not.

It just seems to be a very spectacular historical discovery and nothing more.

No where did I read about wheels stars coming down, aliens with 3 eye balls.... where the hell did those come from...?

Maybe there was a few tales or folk lore that got passed down, however, unless I am missing some extra read material I do not see any of the folk lore being described in detail...

reply to post by truthseeker84


Hi TruthSeeker,

Glad to see a Chinese speaker here to help with discussion.

Here are some more info you can take a look and give your thoughts on:
Index of Manuscript look for the title "客星幻化"

and google the title you'll find many hits referencing this text.

Original Text

Books @ Google

Tuatara - Lizard with 3rd Eye in Infancy

Interesting Fact The tuatara has a third eye on top of its head. This extra eye has scales over it, so the tuatara can't see out of it or move it around. But the extra eye can feel sunlight. Some scientists think tuatara use their third eye to let them know if they have had enough sunlight.

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reply to post by TinkererJim


That's not really an eye, per-say. It's a scanner. Like how our finger tips work.

And it's not alone. A whole host of species have similar organs. Whereas our eyes are used for depth perception, seeing, targeting, etc etc, these species' 3rd eye is primarily used as an extra sensor against enemies or to know the sun. It's no different than the fact you can hear what's behind you. Nothing spiritual nor special about it. It simply is a tool.

en.wikipedia.org...

See this is the thing, the explanation that UFO's are top secret government/Nazi engineered vehicles since the 40's is inconsistent with history. Abductions really sleep paralysis or a government military psy ops... is well umm just as s likely or as silly as interstellar beings.

skeptic: it was just old wives tales, there is no proof blah blah blah

believer: it was the greys/reptilians/humanoids that happened to me too blah

Well something, someone has been interacting with this planet. Observing us through a looking glass and manipulating our evolution here and there. We have a long lost history buried under earth, sand and concrete. The survivors of these lost civilizations have been in control and have lied to you since you could first read in school. When we put these pieces together then we will have a better understanding of who we are and what has been buzzing our skies for a millennium plus. When and if we finally phase out these indoctrinated stone age religions "used to control and divide us" we can pick up where we left off.

Just the way I see it