Pentagon Warning Order: Prepare For WAR!

If!!!!! this is true the UK media are giving this ZERO!!! play...and with our, (UK), ties to this part of world, the BBC
loves milking this S*&T until its dry!! but ..Nada.

Hard to have a view with little info on this whistle blower chap.

But if, ISRAEL where to attack IRAN,without getting ( the nod) in agreement from the US first.

Our Jewish friends could find themselves in very deep do-do.

IRAN, does have a -( in relation to the other poor sods, we've been kicking back into stone age) -modern millitary, large air defence force with modern aircraft.
she also has several modern submarines( as part of an oil deal under president Putin)
so if she were attacked,she has many more assets to put into play than the common man may think.

ISRAEL could find herself, in an"ass kicking contest" with a nation with big boots.

The US contractors,would of course make a packet! flooding the IDF with arms to fight;but CHINA and RUSSIA
both have large industry's that could do the same to IRAN.

Result??? stalemate? think not! its my view that IRAN would launch a massive ground counter offensive.
attempting to smash through the Golan heights across the river JORDAN,and push into ISRAELI territory.

I cant help but think, with modern western reliance on air power, they may have over looked old fashioned ground
war,in relation to having large numbers of well trained and equipped, enemy forces coming at you. (thinking "china farm" 1973, Arab war)

IF!!!! this played out THIS way!!! trust that ISRAEL would use her nuclear assets (that we all know she has),
that, alone, would spark this into such a global issue, that we could(all) be back in dark ages faster than we think.

Lets just hope that calm heads prevail.

Guys!!!! my first ever reply, so be nice and be well.

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Kram09
The armchair generals and psuedo-strategists are out in force tonight eh?

I believe this topic was already posted....and anyway I don't know how many times I've read a thread claiming Israel is going to attack Iran at such a point in the future.

To be honest, I'm getting bored and not even taking the threads seriously anymore since I joined ATS. So many prophecies, theories, breaking news and OMG's only for me to go WTF?

That's exactly how COINTELPRO wants you to react. You're bombarded with a high frequency of false alarms so when a legitimate event occurs you either won't react accordingly or you'll miss it because you buried your head in the sand to remedy your confusion.

It's your responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Complaining to an on online community for not assuming this responsibility for you doesn't make much sense, does it?

I'm not having a go; consider it friendly advice.

edit on 20/7/2011 by rexusdiablos because: (no reason given)

I usually look at the special group of people and their decisions and actions for clues as per exactly WTF is going on outside. It helps upto certaine extent in addition to international movements and policy changes along with investment fluctuations amongst the selected few. However I do not jump the band wagon either.

You do have a valid point but yes, I think i know what you're talking about and I do revisit a theory on and off when I'm not on ATS

To People who say its not shown on our T.v in the U.K , its because the BBC is run by jews and thats a fact anything that taints the jews is not shown and behold I dont have a religion thank F...K but behold the # that happens here on earth is because of different factions of aliens they are playing games with us plus if isreal think its going to be another 6 day war they are mistaken

The US (or UK for that matter) can't afford another war. They can't expect people back home to bleed because of less benefits and/or more taxes, and then spend billions on another war. Israel knows that. The timing would be horrible.

Europe and the US currently have their hands full trying to survive the economic crisis and looming double dip recession.

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

I don't know if there is any validity to this or not but I am personally sick and tired of war. People walk around living their daily lives in America, completely unaware or uncaring that across the globe people are running from bombs or holding their dead children. I know wars will always happen. Men with unchecked egos can't get their fill and people lack the courage to rise up against these arrogant men. Humanity openly accepts the fate we're quickly approaching.

As for Israel striking the match that brings on WW3 - it sounds about right. I'm sick of Israel counting on the U.S. to bail them out of every mess they get in. Why are we supporting that mooch of a nation in the first place? Aside from religious reasons

we have no business giving money to ANY nation. Israel can defend itself. If it writes a check it's ass can't cash, it should be their own fault. America should NOT get involved. Let them learn all about cause and effect. I say forget em!

No truer words have been typed on these forums. I can't believe that there are actually Red Blooded Americans out there that would take up Israel's cause as their own. Wake up you brainwashed sheep! They are the problem!

Let's play a hypothical little kids game here for a moment.

We'll call me: Iran
We'll call the kid who sits next to me at lunch: Israel
We'll call the United States a giant new playground for our kids that can only pay 60% of its debts.

I'm waiting till the 3rd to buy my child wear and tear clothes just in case the Kenyan/Geitner fools pull something out of their **honest** asses.

Chip chip. Cherrio....................................

nwd

I sincerely hope that this doesn't happen. But if it did happen, this would be my best guess on how it might unfold.

Iran will get a little too close to producing a deliverable weapon for Israel's comfort. (Or they'll assess/assert that they're that close, at least.) Israel calculates that Iran possessing a nuclear weapon is an unacaceptable threat to its security, and tries to get U.S. support (political as well as military or at least intel) for air strikes.

U.S. drags its feet (or makes a show of doing so for political reasons depending on the climate.) U.N. drags its feet, wanting to go for an inspection regime instead and/or more sanctions. Israel goes ahead with a preemptive strike via air power. U.N. holds a vote on condemning the attacks, but it is vetoed by the U.S. which while not outright endorsing the strikes, says Israel has the right to defend itself.

Iran mounts a counteroffensive of some kind. At the very least, it looses Hezbollah on Israel and the West in general. The U.S. condemns this. It is possible Lebanon, if Hezbollah-linked factions are still in political power by this point (a seems plausible,) as well as Syria, might attempt to join Iran in some sort of a counteroffensive. This could lead to a protracted conventional conflict, but it's doubtful the largely attrited Syrian and Lebanese forces - and Iran's preemptively weakened forces - would be capable of mounting an effective strike against Israel.

Eventually the U.S. might be compelled to carry out air strikes of a sort similar to that seen in Libya recently, to lay the groundwork for the secure entrance of larger U.N. peace keeping forces. China and Russia would likely publicly condemn these actions, and relations between them and the U.S. would be damaged. It is highly doubtful to me that China or Russia would become involved militarily, however. It is plausible that they could covertly lend logistical, military, intelligence, and political support to Iran, however.

The only wild card would be Iran refusing to succumb to prolonged air strikes by both Israel and the U.S. They might continue to fight an asymmetrical battle. In that case, I do see a slight possibility for a boots on the ground invasion to topple the regime. This is a wild card, though, and I suspect it's far more likely the regime would either be toppled or forced to capitulate through a strong campaign of air strikes and other measures.

I suspect the end game would be a much larger and more capable U.N. peacekeeping force between Israel and Lebanon, Syria, and Iran, probably with much greater direct involvement by the U.S. and European allies due to these circumstances. No fly zones would be enforced over Iran. Air strikes would continue as needed.

If the regime fails to be toppled but capitulates, an invasion might still someday be deemed necessary (see: Iraq) if they are believed to have reconstituted their weapons program (or the world is simply told they've reconstituted it.)

I don't personally see World War III arising from this. But I don't think a conflict is at all out of the question. And if (big if, given Russia's domestic oil reserves) Russia and/or China calculate that the aforementioned unlikely but possible ground occupation of Iran is a threat to their strategic interests in the region, then there is a slight possibility of direct military intervention on their part. But again, I personally feel that this is unlikely (not impossible.)

If that did happen, then as others have said, all bets are off. China's industrial capacity is enormous through sheer volume, if not efficient. And Russia is still Russia; even more so in time of war. But the outcome of this scenario would be horrific indeed, in my opinion. If the West has the military and strategic edge and a real third world war breaks out over oil resources in the Middle East, Russia will use their nuclear arsenal because they'd be playing for keeps by that point, if things got that monstrously far along. If Russia and China somehow did finagle their industrial capacities and innate strengths into countering the Western military technological advantage, then the West would use its nuclear capabilities because they too would be playing for keeps in such a scenario. Neither side would allow the other to win if the stakes were high enough to risk open military conflict to that degree.

But again. I consider the latter scenario to be incredibly improbable at this stage, and the eventual air strike/U.N. regime option to be the likely way that this plays out.

Just my two cents. This is not a prediction. Just a guess. I hope none of this happens, regardless.

Peace.

Finish the wars you started first, then you can have dessert

If you're talking about Iraq and Afghanistan, those aren't wars. In wars, there is a decisive END, where the beaten foes must them submit to conditions.

These two "wars" have been police actions...daily patrolling with no achievable objectives in sight.

On the contrary though, you can bet if Israel does go after Iran, it will be a "war" in the old-fashioned sense. In either case, it's something we, the US, need to just keep our distance from. Unfortunately, we won't....but we should.

If Israel did instigate war with Iran, there'd really be NO justification for the US to support it, and there'd be no reason the other arab nations wouldn't then use the timing to attack Israel.

Credentials or not, it would seem a fool's errand for Israel to do anything other than what it has done for decades...hunker down and try to survive while living with enemies on all borders.

Hi guys, i would like to ask you guys a honest mostly off-topic question.

After reading most of the comments on edition.cnn.com... i am TRULY shocked, is this the avg. americans view on iran/islam?

If so, oh boy, i truly belive USA uses mind control tech on it's country, surely people can't be this hating, unforgiving and ignorant?

funny quote "are u serious ??? obviously iran has theyr people brainwashd to believe wat ever they say"

"Can you please tell me a legit reason how Iran would be better if the US no longer existed? How would that help the Iranian people? Your terrorist leadership would just convince you that there is a new enemy and you would hate them because they told you to."

Good luck trying to reverse engineer the drone IF they even did find one. That would require schooling and an education.


-Sincerely a Norwegian guy.

One attack from the US and Israel will get nuked by Iran. They have laid down the gauntlet like many other nations.

reply to post by EagleTalonZ


Iran will not give the US a chance to take the moral high ground. The entire planet thinks that we can stop Israel... AND they think that Israel controls the US... Neither of those statements are true. Israel uses the US for it's own good.. Yes they influence political opinion, but DO NOT "control" the US.

American politicians are afraid to speak out against Israel and Israeli policy.. They think that the Jewish vote is an important one. We may not back them, but we can't and wont stop them.

If Iran is attacked, Iran, will launch everything it has at any American interest/ forces they can reach. Then Iran's proxies will attack Israel from all sides. Then we will be forced into the war one way or another..

I wish they'd just start the war now while all the TV re-runs are on!

All the new shows start in September!! They will interupt all the new shows, you can bet on it!!

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One attack from the US

?? Some people either lack any comprehension skills, or they are so ignorant , that they can't separate a conversation about Israel, from one about the US.

Originally posted by Curio

Originally posted by nekomata111

Originally posted by Curio
I base this on a few facts. Fact 1: Israel can't live with a nuclear Iran - period. Fact 2: Israel can't do this alone, but the US population won't support another war without good reason. Fact 3: That's how Israel operates.

how can't Israel live with nuclear Iran, yet all other countries in middle east has to live with a nuclear Israel?

Israel existence will be a footnote in history books a few centuries from now, no smallish country surrounded by enemies lasted long, no matter the military power.

You answered your own question

Israel is surrounded by enemies - but they have nukes to keep them at bay. That's what creates the balance. As soon as one of their enemies develops nukes then the scales tip - especially as Iran will no doubt share the technology with other enemies. So Israel will never let that happen - or, as you say, they won't be there in the future.....in their mind, anyway.

Imagine living on hostile land, surrounded by enemies with spears and arrows. But you have a machine gun. You're safe until one of them gets their own gun.....then you're finished. Simple analogy, but essentially sums it up.

here here well done

Originally posted by Curio
This is how it will go down...

Israel bombs Iran nuke sites.
US condemns Israel attack.
Israel sinks a US ship (hundreds dead) in the Gulf and Iran gets the blame.
US screams "WTF Iran! We didn't attack you - we tried to stop Israel!"
US population screams for blood - US looks like the victim, just like 9/11.
US attacks Iran and gets a fair amount of support and even sympathy.
Israel sits back and lets the US finish the job.

I base this on a few facts. Fact 1: Israel can't live with a nuclear Iran - period. Fact 2: Israel can't do this alone, but the US population won't support another war without good reason. Fact 3: That's how Israel operates.

One way or another, Israel will drag the US into this - they're experts at manipulation.

1). True statement

2). Israel CAN do it alone....

3). ALL the middle eastern countries operate like this, not just Israel. (it's really not against our way of operating either...)

Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

I don't know if there is any validity to this or not but I am personally sick and tired of war. People walk around living their daily lives in America, completely unaware or uncaring that across the globe people are running from bombs or holding their dead children. I know wars will always happen. Men with unchecked egos can't get their fill and people lack the courage to rise up against these arrogant men. Humanity openly accepts the fate we're quickly approaching.

As for Israel striking the match that brings on WW3 - it sounds about right. I'm sick of Israel counting on the U.S. to bail them out of every mess they get in. Why are we supporting that mooch of a nation in the first place? Aside from religious reasons

we have no business giving money to ANY nation. Israel can defend itself. If it writes a check it's ass can't cash, it should be their own fault. America should NOT get involved. Let them learn all about cause and effect. I say forget em!

No truer words have been typed on these forums. I can't believe that there are actually Red Blooded Americans out there that would take up Israel's cause as their own. Wake up you brainwashed sheep! They are the problem!

Isreal doesn't want peace and for your quote your spot on

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

...... I'm sick of Israel counting on the U.S. to bail them out of every mess they get in. Why are we supporting that mooch of a nation in the first place? Aside from religious reasons

we have no business giving money to ANY nation. Israel can defend itself. If it writes a check it's ass can't cash, it should be their own fault. America should NOT get involved. Let them learn all about cause and effect. I say forget em!

I'm sick of people like you...so we're even.

Israel WILL DEFEND ITSELF. Try reading a history book for details.

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

I don't know if there is any validity to this or not but I am personally sick and tired of war. People walk around living their daily lives in America, completely unaware or uncaring that across the globe people are running from bombs or holding their dead children. I know wars will always happen. Men with unchecked egos can't get their fill and people lack the courage to rise up against these arrogant men. Humanity openly accepts the fate we're quickly approaching.

As for Israel striking the match that brings on WW3 - it sounds about right. I'm sick of Israel counting on the U.S. to bail them out of every mess they get in. Why are we supporting that mooch of a nation in the first place? Aside from religious reasons

we have no business giving money to ANY nation. Israel can defend itself. If it writes a check it's ass can't cash, it should be their own fault. America should NOT get involved. Let them learn all about cause and effect. I say forget em!

Because it says in the whitewashed, and highly edited bible that Israel(Isis, Ra, EL) is God's Holy land. This means that if your a brainwashed christian, Israel can do no wrong. And you must support their agenda no matter how unholy it is. It says right in the Bible that God doesn't prefer one nation over the others, he sees into the hearts of individuals. Imho if you believe Israel is on a pedestal, and we should support them in all they do, you are not holy in your own god's eyes. Love everyone for who they are, nations cause nationality and hate.

Do you see any borders from space??

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I could not agree more, people dont realize the United states is a military state, it is what we are best at. If a war means more jobs at places that make tanks, humvees, missiles, armor, and weapons of all kinds , then it might just boost our economy some, like war did in WW2.